"Don White" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...


Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...

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There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
We've had a rash of deaths & injuries in this province suffered by ATV
drivers/passengers.


But most ATV riding is without most of the protective gear racers use.

wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:52 pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:30 pm, "Don White" wrote:





wrote in message
...
Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------**-------------------------------
There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
We've had a rash of deaths & injuries in this province suffered by ATV
drivers/passengers.
How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track, with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Screw em' loogie, I'm not breaking any laws here...

Donnie and Wafa don't care about the riders, they care about trolling
you and I. Note, they had little to say when two parents on the west
coast sent a child, only a year older than mine out in a sailboat for
a round the world trip.. it's all about trolling... it' all about
liars...



What could a group of pediatric surgeons know about kids being injured
compared to you two? :)

On Aug 4, 3:34*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

...







wrote in message
...

Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-------------------------------
There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
We've had a rash of deaths & injuries in this province suffered by ATV
drivers/passengers.

But most ATV riding is without most of the protective gear racers use.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not at the track we go to.. My kid is not allowed to sit on her bike
without:
Full face helmet
Face shield/eye protection
Mouth guard
Hans type neck protection
Flack jacket, especially designed to protect from the upper arm, to
the collar bone, intestines, kidneys, etc to the hips
Back brace (armor) for extra kidney and lower back protection
Racing gloves
Wrist, elbow, and upper arm armor
Padded pants, with thermal protection
Knee and shin guard/braces
Top line MX racing boots with steel toe and inner support.

Most of my kids gear are supplied by Fox Racing Gear.. good stuff.

The gear we wear costs much more than our bikes. Helmets are replaced
after a crash at a cost of about $150+

On the other hand, in a speed boat she wears a lifejacket, and on
horseback she wears a beenie, special pants, and riding boots designed
for control, not for crash protection.....

She is not even allowed to drive around the back yard, without full
gear, every last piece, every time... People who let their kids ride
with less, I leave them to the likes of wafa and donnie.. The great
protectors of children...

On Aug 4, 1:27 pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:45 pm, hk wrote:



wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:20 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:AIKdnS2vS897jgrVnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast. com...
In my opinion and in the opinion of many, any adult who allows small
children to race motorcycles is encouraging reckless endangerment and
more, and under the right circumstances, child abuse charges could be
brought.
How about organized youth football, soccer, baseball, hockey or
golf? All have inherent danger of injuries. With the proper
equipment, supervision, and correctly sized dirt bike, I am not sure
it's any more dangerous than the other activities I mentioned.
Eisboch
There's a possibility of injury with many sports activities, of course,
but adding in the element of motorization, speed, gasoline, vehicles
that might weigh several hundred pounds, and bumpy courses, and the
resulting injuries can be very serious.
I don't believe "tackle" football should be played until high school. In
all the years I played "organized" baseball in New Haven, I never saw a
serious injury, and that includes Little League, Pony League, Babe Ruth
League and Industrial League. Lots of bumps and bruises, strained
muscles, et cetera, but no one was knocked unconscious or suffered a
debilitating spinal column injury.
Little kids have no business running motorized vehicles.
What about the stories of you operating a motorized jon boat at the age
of 6?

--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago..
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...

Do you actually read any of the documents you say you read? That report
Don cited was from a group of pediatric surgeons. Do you even know what
a pediatric surgeon does?

"Emotionally driven statements..." from pediatric surgeons, on the
subject of minimizing the number of kids they have to try to repair.
Yeah, to someone like you, that's "emotionally driven liberal activism."

You probably are a smoker or ex smoker, too, right? Were you resentful
when doctors in this country said smoking caused cancer?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssst, hey idiot, the article was about one type of equipment, and one
only. Nothing about any other sport or activity, so what do you
compare it to?
Here, learn something, instead of knee jerking a response just to try
and get someone to notice your pathetic ass.

Tonino used data from the U.S. Consumer Produce Safety Commission on
injuries treated in emergency rooms.

The Top 15:

Basketball: 512,213
Bicycling: 485,669
Football: 418,260
Soccer: 174,686
Baseball: 155,898
Skateboards: 112,544
Trampolines: 108,029
Softball: 106,884
Swimming/Diving: 82,354
Horseback riding: 73,576
Weightlifting: 65,716
Volleyball: 52,091
Golf: 47,360
Roller skating: 35,003
Wrestling: 33,734


What age group is considered in the report you quoted? Can you
provide a link?

===========================================

Here is one from the Consumer Products Safety Commission for 4 wheel
ATV's (note table 4):

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/atv99.pdf

============================================

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/120/1/134

OBJECTIVES. The goals were to describe the epidemiological features of
pediatric nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injuries sustained
between 1990 and 2003 and to compare all-terrain vehicle-related
injuries with other types of nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related
injuries.

METHODS. An analysis of nationally representative pediatric
nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injury data from the US
Consumer Product Safety Commission National Electronic Injury
Surveillance System was performed.

RESULTS. Nationally, an estimated 1203800 children were treated in
hospital emergency departments for nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries between 1990 and 2003. These children had a mean age
of 12.7 years (range: 1 month to 19 years), and 77.0% were male. The
majority of injuries were associated with all-terrain vehicles
(44.8%), 2-wheeled off-road vehicles (21.1%), and go-carts/buggies
(13.7%). The most common diagnoses were contusions/abrasions (28.3%),
fractures (24.2%), and lacerations (20.0%). Overall, the number of
injuries increased 86% from 70500 injuries in 1990 to 130900 injuries
in 2003. The numbers of all-terrain vehicle-related, 2-wheeled off-
road vehicle-related, 2-wheeled on-road vehicle-related, and go-cart/
buggy-related injuries all increased significantly from 1990 to 2003.
There were greater proportions of all-terrain vehicle-associated
injuries among children ™16 years of age (48.0%) and children 12 to 15
years of age (46.6%) than among children 12 years of age (40.3%).
Conversely, the proportion of other nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries among children 12 years of age (47.2%) was greater
than that among children 12 to 15 years of age (30.3%) and children
™16 years of age (23.0%).

CONCLUSIONS. Although most public health and legislative attention to
date has been focused on all-terrain vehicles, parents, children, and
public officials should be educated about the injury risk that all
types of nonautomobile motorized vehicles pose to children.
======================================


http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...2234680214262X

Background/Purpose: Despite statements by the American Academy of
Pediatrics (AAP) and the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
against the use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) by children under the
age of 16 years, nearly half of ATV-related injuries and over 35% of
all ATV-related deaths continue to occur in this age group.
======================================

You have your head in the sand if you do not think off road riding is
not dangerous for children.

On Aug 4, 3:39*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:52 pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:30 pm, "Don White" wrote:

wrote in message
....
Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago..
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------------------
There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
We've had a rash of deaths & injuries in this province suffered by ATV
drivers/passengers.
How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track, with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Screw em' loogie, I'm not breaking any laws here...

Donnie and Wafa don't care about the riders, they care about trolling
you and I. Note, they had little to say when two parents on the west
coast sent a child, only a year older than mine out in a sailboat for
a round the world trip.. it's all about trolling... it' all about
liars...

What could a group of pediatric surgeons know about kids being injured
compared to you two? * :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track,
with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?

On Aug 4, 3:46*pm, JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 1:27 pm, wrote:





On Aug 4, 12:45 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:20 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:AIKdnS2vS897jgrVnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast. com...
In my opinion and in the opinion of many, any adult who allows small
children to race motorcycles is encouraging reckless endangerment and
more, and under the right circumstances, child abuse charges could be
brought.
How about organized youth football, soccer, baseball, hockey or
golf? * *All have inherent danger of injuries. * With the proper
equipment, supervision, and correctly sized dirt bike, I am not sure
it's any more dangerous than the other activities I mentioned.
Eisboch
There's a possibility of injury with many sports activities, of course,
but adding in the element of motorization, speed, gasoline, vehicles
that might weigh several hundred pounds, and bumpy courses, and the
resulting injuries can be very serious.
I don't believe "tackle" football should be played until high school. In
all the years I played "organized" baseball in New Haven, I never saw a
serious injury, and that includes Little League, Pony League, Babe Ruth
League and Industrial League. Lots of bumps and bruises, strained
muscles, et cetera, but no one was knocked unconscious or suffered a
debilitating spinal column injury.
Little kids have no business running motorized vehicles.
What about the stories of you operating a motorized jon boat at the age
of 6?

--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child...
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...

Do you actually read any of the documents you say you read? That report
Don cited was from a group of pediatric surgeons. Do you even know what
a pediatric surgeon does?

"Emotionally driven statements..." from pediatric surgeons, on the
subject of minimizing the number of kids they have to try to repair.
Yeah, to someone like you, that's "emotionally driven liberal activism."

You probably are a smoker or ex smoker, too, right? Were you resentful
when doctors in this country said smoking caused cancer?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssst, hey idiot, the article was about one type of equipment, and one
only. Nothing about any other sport or activity, so what do you
compare it to?
Here, learn something, instead of knee jerking a response just to try
and get someone to notice your pathetic ass.

Tonino used data from the U.S. Consumer Produce Safety Commission on
injuries treated in emergency rooms.

The Top 15:

Basketball: 512,213
Bicycling: 485,669
Football: 418,260
Soccer: 174,686
Baseball: 155,898
Skateboards: 112,544
Trampolines: 108,029
Softball: 106,884
Swimming/Diving: 82,354
Horseback riding: 73,576
Weightlifting: 65,716
Volleyball: 52,091
Golf: 47,360
Roller skating: 35,003
Wrestling: 33,734

What age group is considered in the report you quoted? *Can you
provide a link?

===========================================

Here is one from the Consumer Products Safety Commission for 4 wheel
ATV's (note table 4):

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/atv99.pdf

============================================

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/120/1/134

OBJECTIVES. The goals were to describe the epidemiological features of
pediatric nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injuries sustained
between 1990 and 2003 and to compare all-terrain vehicle-related
injuries with other types of nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related
injuries.

METHODS. An analysis of nationally representative pediatric
nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injury data from the US
Consumer Product Safety Commission National Electronic Injury
Surveillance System was performed.

RESULTS. Nationally, an estimated 1203800 children were treated in
hospital emergency departments for nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries between 1990 and 2003. These children had a mean age
of 12.7 years (range: 1 month to 19 years), and 77.0% were male. The
majority of injuries were associated with all-terrain vehicles
(44.8%), 2-wheeled off-road vehicles (21.1%), and go-carts/buggies
(13.7%). The most common diagnoses were contusions/abrasions (28.3%),
fractures (24.2%), and lacerations (20.0%). Overall, the number of
injuries increased 86% from 70500 injuries in 1990 to 130900 injuries
in 2003. The numbers of all-terrain vehicle-related, 2-wheeled off-
road vehicle-related, 2-wheeled on-road vehicle-related, and go-cart/
buggy-related injuries all increased significantly from 1990 to 2003.
There were greater proportions of all-terrain vehicle-associated
injuries among children ™16 years of age (48.0%) and children 12 to 15
years of age (46.6%) than among children 12 years of age (40.3%).
Conversely, the proportion of other nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries among children 12 years of age (47.2%) was greater
than that among children 12 to 15 years of age (30.3%) and children
™16 years of age (23.0%).

CONCLUSIONS. Although most public health and legislative attention to
date has been focused on all-terrain vehicles, parents, children, and
public officials should be educated about the injury risk that all
types of nonautomobile motorized vehicles pose to children.
======================================

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...2234680214262X

Background/Purpose: Despite statements by the American Academy of
Pediatrics (AAP) and the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
against the use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) by children under the
age of 16 years, nearly half of ATV-related injuries and over 35% of
all ATV-related deaths continue to occur in this age group.
======================================

You have your head in the sand if you do not think off road riding is
not dangerous for children.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have you head in your ass or else don't know what to hell you are
talking about.
How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track,
with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?

On Aug 4, 3:56*pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:46*pm, JimH wrote:





On Aug 4, 1:27 pm, wrote:

On Aug 4, 12:45 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:20 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:AIKdnS2vS897jgrVnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast. com...
In my opinion and in the opinion of many, any adult who allows small
children to race motorcycles is encouraging reckless endangerment and
more, and under the right circumstances, child abuse charges could be
brought.
How about organized youth football, soccer, baseball, hockey or
golf? * *All have inherent danger of injuries. * With the proper
equipment, supervision, and correctly sized dirt bike, I am not sure
it's any more dangerous than the other activities I mentioned.
Eisboch
There's a possibility of injury with many sports activities, of course,
but adding in the element of motorization, speed, gasoline, vehicles
that might weigh several hundred pounds, and bumpy courses, and the
resulting injuries can be very serious.
I don't believe "tackle" football should be played until high school. In
all the years I played "organized" baseball in New Haven, I never saw a
serious injury, and that includes Little League, Pony League, Babe Ruth
League and Industrial League. Lots of bumps and bruises, strained
muscles, et cetera, but no one was knocked unconscious or suffered a
debilitating spinal column injury.
Little kids have no business running motorized vehicles.
What about the stories of you operating a motorized jon boat at the age
of 6?

--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...

Do you actually read any of the documents you say you read? That report
Don cited was from a group of pediatric surgeons. Do you even know what
a pediatric surgeon does?

"Emotionally driven statements..." from pediatric surgeons, on the
subject of minimizing the number of kids they have to try to repair..
Yeah, to someone like you, that's "emotionally driven liberal activism."

You probably are a smoker or ex smoker, too, right? Were you resentful
when doctors in this country said smoking caused cancer?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssst, hey idiot, the article was about one type of equipment, and one
only. Nothing about any other sport or activity, so what do you
compare it to?
Here, learn something, instead of knee jerking a response just to try
and get someone to notice your pathetic ass.

Tonino used data from the U.S. Consumer Produce Safety Commission on
injuries treated in emergency rooms.

The Top 15:

Basketball: 512,213
Bicycling: 485,669
Football: 418,260
Soccer: 174,686
Baseball: 155,898
Skateboards: 112,544
Trampolines: 108,029
Softball: 106,884
Swimming/Diving: 82,354
Horseback riding: 73,576
Weightlifting: 65,716
Volleyball: 52,091
Golf: 47,360
Roller skating: 35,003
Wrestling: 33,734

What age group is considered in the report you quoted? *Can you
provide a link?

===========================================

Here is one from the Consumer Products Safety Commission for 4 wheel
ATV's (note table 4):

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/atv99.pdf

============================================

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/120/1/134

OBJECTIVES. The goals were to describe the epidemiological features of
pediatric nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injuries sustained
between 1990 and 2003 and to compare all-terrain vehicle-related
injuries with other types of nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related
injuries.

METHODS. An analysis of nationally representative pediatric
nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injury data from the US
Consumer Product Safety Commission National Electronic Injury
Surveillance System was performed.

RESULTS. Nationally, an estimated 1203800 children were treated in
hospital emergency departments for nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries between 1990 and 2003. These children had a mean age
of 12.7 years (range: 1 month to 19 years), and 77.0% were male. The
majority of injuries were associated with all-terrain vehicles
(44.8%), 2-wheeled off-road vehicles (21.1%), and go-carts/buggies
(13.7%). The most common diagnoses were contusions/abrasions (28.3%),
fractures (24.2%), and lacerations (20.0%). Overall, the number of
injuries increased 86% from 70500 injuries in 1990 to 130900 injuries
in 2003. The numbers of all-terrain vehicle-related, 2-wheeled off-
road vehicle-related, 2-wheeled on-road vehicle-related, and go-cart/
buggy-related injuries all increased significantly from 1990 to 2003.
There were greater proportions of all-terrain vehicle-associated
injuries among children ™16 years of age (48.0%) and children 12 to 15
years of age (46.6%) than among children 12 years of age (40.3%).
Conversely, the proportion of other nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries among children 12 years of age (47.2%) was greater
than that among children 12 to 15 years of age (30.3%) and children
™16 years of age (23.0%).

CONCLUSIONS. Although most public health and legislative attention to
date has been focused on all-terrain vehicles, parents, children, and
public officials should be educated about the injury risk that all
types of nonautomobile motorized vehicles pose to children.
======================================

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...2234680214262X

Background/Purpose: Despite statements by the American Academy of
Pediatrics (AAP) and the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
against the use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) by children under the
age of 16 years, nearly half of ATV-related injuries and over 35% of
all ATV-related deaths continue to occur in this age group.
======================================

You have your head in the sand if you do not think off road riding is
not dangerous for children.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have you head in your ass or else don't know what to hell you are
talking about.
How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track,
with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They are just trolling, I answered Bill, as he is not a liar and is
capable of honest debate...

On Aug 4, 3:58*pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:56*pm, wrote:



On Aug 4, 3:46*pm, JimH wrote:

On Aug 4, 1:27 pm, wrote:

On Aug 4, 12:45 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:20 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:AIKdnS2vS897jgrVnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast. com...
In my opinion and in the opinion of many, any adult who allows small
children to race motorcycles is encouraging reckless endangerment and
more, and under the right circumstances, child abuse charges could be
brought.
How about organized youth football, soccer, baseball, hockey or
golf? * *All have inherent danger of injuries. * With the proper
equipment, supervision, and correctly sized dirt bike, I am not sure
it's any more dangerous than the other activities I mentioned.
Eisboch
There's a possibility of injury with many sports activities, of course,
but adding in the element of motorization, speed, gasoline, vehicles
that might weigh several hundred pounds, and bumpy courses, and the
resulting injuries can be very serious.
I don't believe "tackle" football should be played until high school. In
all the years I played "organized" baseball in New Haven, I never saw a
serious injury, and that includes Little League, Pony League, Babe Ruth
League and Industrial League. Lots of bumps and bruises, strained
muscles, et cetera, but no one was knocked unconscious or suffered a
debilitating spinal column injury.
Little kids have no business running motorized vehicles.
What about the stories of you operating a motorized jon boat at the age
of 6?

--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...

Do you actually read any of the documents you say you read? That report
Don cited was from a group of pediatric surgeons. Do you even know what
a pediatric surgeon does?

"Emotionally driven statements..." from pediatric surgeons, on the
subject of minimizing the number of kids they have to try to repair.
Yeah, to someone like you, that's "emotionally driven liberal activism."

You probably are a smoker or ex smoker, too, right? Were you resentful
when doctors in this country said smoking caused cancer?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssst, hey idiot, the article was about one type of equipment, and one
only. Nothing about any other sport or activity, so what do you
compare it to?
Here, learn something, instead of knee jerking a response just to try
and get someone to notice your pathetic ass.

Tonino used data from the U.S. Consumer Produce Safety Commission on
injuries treated in emergency rooms.

The Top 15:

Basketball: 512,213
Bicycling: 485,669
Football: 418,260
Soccer: 174,686
Baseball: 155,898
Skateboards: 112,544
Trampolines: 108,029
Softball: 106,884
Swimming/Diving: 82,354
Horseback riding: 73,576
Weightlifting: 65,716
Volleyball: 52,091
Golf: 47,360
Roller skating: 35,003
Wrestling: 33,734

What age group is considered in the report you quoted? *Can you
provide a link?

===========================================

Here is one from the Consumer Products Safety Commission for 4 wheel
ATV's (note table 4):

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/atv99.pdf

============================================

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/120/1/134

OBJECTIVES. The goals were to describe the epidemiological features of
pediatric nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injuries sustained
between 1990 and 2003 and to compare all-terrain vehicle-related
injuries with other types of nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related
injuries.

METHODS. An analysis of nationally representative pediatric
nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injury data from the US
Consumer Product Safety Commission National Electronic Injury
Surveillance System was performed.

RESULTS. Nationally, an estimated 1203800 children were treated in
hospital emergency departments for nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries between 1990 and 2003. These children had a mean age
of 12.7 years (range: 1 month to 19 years), and 77.0% were male. The
majority of injuries were associated with all-terrain vehicles
(44.8%), 2-wheeled off-road vehicles (21.1%), and go-carts/buggies
(13.7%). The most common diagnoses were contusions/abrasions (28.3%),
fractures (24.2%), and lacerations (20.0%). Overall, the number of
injuries increased 86% from 70500 injuries in 1990 to 130900 injuries
in 2003. The numbers of all-terrain vehicle-related, 2-wheeled off-
road vehicle-related, 2-wheeled on-road vehicle-related, and go-cart/
buggy-related injuries all increased significantly from 1990 to 2003.
There were greater proportions of all-terrain vehicle-associated
injuries among children ™16 years of age (48.0%) and children 12 to 15
years of age (46.6%) than among children 12 years of age (40.3%).
Conversely, the proportion of other nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries among children 12 years of age (47.2%) was greater
than that among children 12 to 15 years of age (30.3%) and children
™16 years of age (23.0%).

CONCLUSIONS. Although most public health and legislative attention to
date has been focused on all-terrain vehicles, parents, children, and
public officials should be educated about the injury risk that all
types of nonautomobile motorized vehicles pose to children.
======================================

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...2234680214262X

Background/Purpose: Despite statements by the American Academy of
Pediatrics (AAP) and the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
against the use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) by children under the
age of 16 years, nearly half of ATV-related injuries and over 35% of
all ATV-related deaths continue to occur in this age group.
======================================

You have your head in the sand if you do not think off road riding is
not dangerous for children.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have you head in your ass or else don't know what to hell you are
talking about.
How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track,
with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They are just trolling, I answered Bill, as he is not a liar and is
capable of honest debate...

I gave you links. Go ahead and keep you head in the sand Scotty.

wrote in message
...
On Aug 4, 3:56 pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:46 pm, JimH wrote:





On Aug 4, 1:27 pm, wrote:

On Aug 4, 12:45 pm, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:20 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:AIKdnS2vS897jgrVnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast. com...
In my opinion and in the opinion of many, any adult who allows
small
children to race motorcycles is encouraging reckless
endangerment and
more, and under the right circumstances, child abuse charges
could be
brought.
How about organized youth football, soccer, baseball, hockey or
golf? All have inherent danger of injuries. With the proper
equipment, supervision, and correctly sized dirt bike, I am not
sure
it's any more dangerous than the other activities I mentioned.
Eisboch
There's a possibility of injury with many sports activities, of
course,
but adding in the element of motorization, speed, gasoline,
vehicles
that might weigh several hundred pounds, and bumpy courses, and
the
resulting injuries can be very serious.
I don't believe "tackle" football should be played until high
school. In
all the years I played "organized" baseball in New Haven, I
never saw a
serious injury, and that includes Little League, Pony League,
Babe Ruth
League and Industrial League. Lots of bumps and bruises,
strained
muscles, et cetera, but no one was knocked unconscious or
suffered a
debilitating spinal column injury.
Little kids have no business running motorized vehicles.
What about the stories of you operating a motorized jon boat at
the age
of 6?

--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way
are to
be considered flaws or defects- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a
child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long
ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion
and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies
post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from
one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast
failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...

Do you actually read any of the documents you say you read? That
report
Don cited was from a group of pediatric surgeons. Do you even know
what
a pediatric surgeon does?

"Emotionally driven statements..." from pediatric surgeons, on the
subject of minimizing the number of kids they have to try to repair.
Yeah, to someone like you, that's "emotionally driven liberal
activism."

You probably are a smoker or ex smoker, too, right? Were you
resentful
when doctors in this country said smoking caused cancer?- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pssst, hey idiot, the article was about one type of equipment, and one
only. Nothing about any other sport or activity, so what do you
compare it to?
Here, learn something, instead of knee jerking a response just to try
and get someone to notice your pathetic ass.

Tonino used data from the U.S. Consumer Produce Safety Commission on
injuries treated in emergency rooms.

The Top 15:

Basketball: 512,213
Bicycling: 485,669
Football: 418,260
Soccer: 174,686
Baseball: 155,898
Skateboards: 112,544
Trampolines: 108,029
Softball: 106,884
Swimming/Diving: 82,354
Horseback riding: 73,576
Weightlifting: 65,716
Volleyball: 52,091
Golf: 47,360
Roller skating: 35,003
Wrestling: 33,734

What age group is considered in the report you quoted? Can you
provide a link?

===========================================

Here is one from the Consumer Products Safety Commission for 4 wheel
ATV's (note table 4):

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/atv99.pdf

============================================

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/120/1/134

OBJECTIVES. The goals were to describe the epidemiological features of
pediatric nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injuries sustained
between 1990 and 2003 and to compare all-terrain vehicle-related
injuries with other types of nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related
injuries.

METHODS. An analysis of nationally representative pediatric
nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injury data from the US
Consumer Product Safety Commission National Electronic Injury
Surveillance System was performed.

RESULTS. Nationally, an estimated 1203800 children were treated in
hospital emergency departments for nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries between 1990 and 2003. These children had a mean age
of 12.7 years (range: 1 month to 19 years), and 77.0% were male. The
majority of injuries were associated with all-terrain vehicles
(44.8%), 2-wheeled off-road vehicles (21.1%), and go-carts/buggies
(13.7%). The most common diagnoses were contusions/abrasions (28.3%),
fractures (24.2%), and lacerations (20.0%). Overall, the number of
injuries increased 86% from 70500 injuries in 1990 to 130900 injuries
in 2003. The numbers of all-terrain vehicle-related, 2-wheeled off-
road vehicle-related, 2-wheeled on-road vehicle-related, and go-cart/
buggy-related injuries all increased significantly from 1990 to 2003.
There were greater proportions of all-terrain vehicle-associated
injuries among children ™16 years of age (48.0%) and children 12 to 15
years of age (46.6%) than among children 12 years of age (40.3%).
Conversely, the proportion of other nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries among children 12 years of age (47.2%) was greater
than that among children 12 to 15 years of age (30.3%) and children
™16 years of age (23.0%).

CONCLUSIONS. Although most public health and legislative attention to
date has been focused on all-terrain vehicles, parents, children, and
public officials should be educated about the injury risk that all
types of nonautomobile motorized vehicles pose to children.
======================================

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...2234680214262X

Background/Purpose: Despite statements by the American Academy of
Pediatrics (AAP) and the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
against the use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) by children under the
age of 16 years, nearly half of ATV-related injuries and over 35% of
all ATV-related deaths continue to occur in this age group.
======================================

You have your head in the sand if you do not think off road riding is
not dangerous for children.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have you head in your ass or else don't know what to hell you are
talking about.
How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track,
with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They are just trolling, I answered Bill, as he is not a liar and is
capable of honest debate...

Off road riding is dangerous. So is playing most sports. I used to race a
Corvette in SCCA. Only injury was a broken foot. Happened in the pits
accidentally kicking the towbar. Worst injury were broken ribs, once
playing softball when I was 23, and once being the goalie in a roller hockey
game, me not on skates at age 59. Life is a challenge. Riding a bike in
competition is probably safer than riding a scooter on the public roads.
Wife hated my Kawasaki 350. Road it on the street mostly and her statement
was "You never fell off your racecar." My girls played organized sports in
highschool. Volleyball and Basketball. No injuries, but seeing them dive
for a ball in VB was scary. But I do not have wimp kids. They still do
sports, backpacking, younger one is a scuba diver as well as they both
rollerblade. All are as dangerous as MC racing on the low speed bikes.
Justwaits kid is not running a 1000cc roadrace bike. But you still have to
let the kids take chances. They may get hurt, but is better than those kids
who spend 10 hours a day on video games and rarely exercise. Friends son
died of unknown causes at 15 years old. No drugs, and autopsy could not
find any real cause. Just complained of being tired and took a nap he never
woke up from. So life is a danger just living it. Might as well live it
with some gusto. My older brother was always more sedentary than me. Has
Angina, and is more overweigh than I am. But is an agent orange vet, so may
be some of his problems. Never lived life with the gusto of me or my
family. Maybe why my kids are both well adjusted adults and one of his is
not.

JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:58 pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:56 pm, wrote:



On Aug 4, 3:46 pm, JimH wrote:
On Aug 4, 1:27 pm, wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:45 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:20 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
In my opinion and in the opinion of many, any adult who allows small
children to race motorcycles is encouraging reckless endangerment and
more, and under the right circumstances, child abuse charges could be
brought.
How about organized youth football, soccer, baseball, hockey or
golf? All have inherent danger of injuries. With the proper
equipment, supervision, and correctly sized dirt bike, I am not sure
it's any more dangerous than the other activities I mentioned.
Eisboch
There's a possibility of injury with many sports activities, of course,
but adding in the element of motorization, speed, gasoline, vehicles
that might weigh several hundred pounds, and bumpy courses, and the
resulting injuries can be very serious.
I don't believe "tackle" football should be played until high school. In
all the years I played "organized" baseball in New Haven, I never saw a
serious injury, and that includes Little League, Pony League, Babe Ruth
League and Industrial League. Lots of bumps and bruises, strained
muscles, et cetera, but no one was knocked unconscious or suffered a
debilitating spinal column injury.
Little kids have no business running motorized vehicles.
What about the stories of you operating a motorized jon boat at the age
of 6?
--
This NG post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, seeing how he acts, I am sure any trained professional would
wonder if that was the only type of abuse wafa suffered as a child..
The kind of hate he spews suggests he lost trust in humanity long ago.
The fact is, Activists are activists. Wafa is living proof that
especially liberal activists have little problem letting emotion and
agenda get in the way of integerity or decency. As to Donnies post,
the emotionally driven statements are clear proof that although
educated, they are activists. Probably looking at the sport from one
point of view. Most of them probably had their opinions before the
study, or had it fed to them by the govt that runs the fast failing
medical system up there. On to the next grant, and another easy
target. Geeze this job is so hard...
Do you actually read any of the documents you say you read? That report
Don cited was from a group of pediatric surgeons. Do you even know what
a pediatric surgeon does?
"Emotionally driven statements..." from pediatric surgeons, on the
subject of minimizing the number of kids they have to try to repair.
Yeah, to someone like you, that's "emotionally driven liberal activism."
You probably are a smoker or ex smoker, too, right? Were you resentful
when doctors in this country said smoking caused cancer?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Pssst, hey idiot, the article was about one type of equipment, and one
only. Nothing about any other sport or activity, so what do you
compare it to?
Here, learn something, instead of knee jerking a response just to try
and get someone to notice your pathetic ass.
Tonino used data from the U.S. Consumer Produce Safety Commission on
injuries treated in emergency rooms.
The Top 15:
Basketball: 512,213
Bicycling: 485,669
Football: 418,260
Soccer: 174,686
Baseball: 155,898
Skateboards: 112,544
Trampolines: 108,029
Softball: 106,884
Swimming/Diving: 82,354
Horseback riding: 73,576
Weightlifting: 65,716
Volleyball: 52,091
Golf: 47,360
Roller skating: 35,003
Wrestling: 33,734
What age group is considered in the report you quoted? Can you
provide a link?
===========================================
Here is one from the Consumer Products Safety Commission for 4 wheel
ATV's (note table 4):
http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/atv99.pdf
============================================
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/120/1/134
OBJECTIVES. The goals were to describe the epidemiological features of
pediatric nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injuries sustained
between 1990 and 2003 and to compare all-terrain vehicle-related
injuries with other types of nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related
injuries.
METHODS. An analysis of nationally representative pediatric
nonautomobile motorized vehicle-related injury data from the US
Consumer Product Safety Commission National Electronic Injury
Surveillance System was performed.
RESULTS. Nationally, an estimated 1203800 children were treated in
hospital emergency departments for nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries between 1990 and 2003. These children had a mean age
of 12.7 years (range: 1 month to 19 years), and 77.0% were male. The
majority of injuries were associated with all-terrain vehicles
(44.8%), 2-wheeled off-road vehicles (21.1%), and go-carts/buggies
(13.7%). The most common diagnoses were contusions/abrasions (28.3%),
fractures (24.2%), and lacerations (20.0%). Overall, the number of
injuries increased 86% from 70500 injuries in 1990 to 130900 injuries
in 2003. The numbers of all-terrain vehicle-related, 2-wheeled off-
road vehicle-related, 2-wheeled on-road vehicle-related, and go-cart/
buggy-related injuries all increased significantly from 1990 to 2003.
There were greater proportions of all-terrain vehicle-associated
injuries among children ™16 years of age (48.0%) and children 12 to 15
years of age (46.6%) than among children 12 years of age (40.3%).
Conversely, the proportion of other nonautomobile motorized vehicle-
related injuries among children 12 years of age (47.2%) was greater
than that among children 12 to 15 years of age (30.3%) and children
™16 years of age (23.0%).
CONCLUSIONS. Although most public health and legislative attention to
date has been focused on all-terrain vehicles, parents, children, and
public officials should be educated about the injury risk that all
types of nonautomobile motorized vehicles pose to children.
======================================
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...2234680214262X
Background/Purpose: Despite statements by the American Academy of
Pediatrics (AAP) and the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
against the use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) by children under the
age of 16 years, nearly half of ATV-related injuries and over 35% of
all ATV-related deaths continue to occur in this age group.
======================================
You have your head in the sand if you do not think off road riding is
not dangerous for children.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You have you head in your ass or else don't know what to hell you are
talking about.
How many of those were the result of being at a sanctioned track,
with
a great deal of rules in place, with the rider equipped with the best
safety gear, with the rider trained to not go beyond his ability, etc?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They are just trolling, I answered Bill, as he is not a liar and is
capable of honest debate...

I gave you links. Go ahead and keep you head in the sand Scotty.


That would require reading and understanding. It ain't gonna happen.

Some parents help their kids have fun with traditional sports but expend
a lot more time and energy helping their kids excel in school so they
have a better chance of doing something with their lives.