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Eisboch wrote:
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It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most
about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.
You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about
it?
At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated
package, approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch
I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I
get paid, not usenet newsgroups.

You know what's great about this country ... and a few other free
democracies?

Freedom.

If one is inspired to become rich ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to become famous .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to take risks ..... he/she can.
If one is inspired to minimize risks .... he/she can.
If one is inspired to devote their lives to helping the truly oppressed
.... he/she can.

The threat to freedom is those who feel they have a duty and obligation
to impose *their* way and *their* rules on everybody.

Eisboch
So you *will* be changing political party affiliation, eh? There is no
greater threat to freedom in this country than the actions and policies of
the Bush Administration and those who support them.



When the time comes. I'll vote for whomever I think will best preserve the
basic, fundamental core values and principles on which this country was
formed. I give you this ..... *Both* major political parties seem to have
gotten way off course.

Or maybe I won't vote.

Eisboch



The "future" of this country is in the hands of blithering uneducated
idiots like Loogy and his pals here, the ones with no imaginations, no
skills, no ability to think in the abstract. I'm glad I'm in my mid 60's
and unlikely to be around long enough to see them destroy with finality
what was once a great country.


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"HK" wrote in message
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The "future" of this country is in the hands of blithering uneducated
idiots like Loogy and his pals here, the ones with no imaginations, no
skills, no ability to think in the abstract. I'm glad I'm in my mid 60's
and unlikely to be around long enough to see them destroy with finality
what was once a great country.




Aw, come on. You love it and you know it.

Your life would be pretty dull with nothing to complain about.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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The "future" of this country is in the hands of blithering uneducated
idiots like Loogy and his pals here, the ones with no imaginations, no
skills, no ability to think in the abstract. I'm glad I'm in my mid 60's
and unlikely to be around long enough to see them destroy with finality
what was once a great country.




Aw, come on. You love it and you know it.

Your life would be pretty dull with nothing to complain about.

Eisboch





Love idiots? I don't think so.

Things are pretty exciting around here at the moment. I'm writing and
will be co-producing and directing three new political television
commercials over the next 30 days, and we might be contracted for a few
more in September and early October. It's been a while since I've been
this directly involved in tv spots. These are just for U.S. House and
Senate candidates...nothing national, but a lot less dreary than the
position papers and daily speeches I usually get contracted to write.

Many years ago, I researched and wrote position papers for a fellow who
was running for federal office. This was in the days before the 'net
and easy access to some varieties of information, so the researching
took a lot of time and effort at actual libraries. The campaign had me
writing paper after paper, on the contingency that certain issues
*might* be raised, and they wanted to be prepared. What a frippin' drag
that was. Wish I had gotten paid by the word or by the pound for the
paper I used up.

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Eisboch wrote:
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What *I* stated was that the U.S. car makers were poorly managed, with
overpaid white collar mid and upper management. Many large U.S.
corporations grossly overcompensate "management." There have been plenty
of news stories about the tens of millions of dollars paid to top execs
at the same time the companies they run are failing.


Why were they poorly managed if, in the case of GM, they had record
corporate profits and paid regular, consistent dividends to the
shareholders for most of the past ten years? Plus met all the
contractual obligations to current and retired employees?

Take care of the business ..... the business will take care of you.
It's how it works, and there's nothing wrong with big paychecks for those
with the most responsibility.

Eisboch

Now *that* is funny. Take care of business and business will take care of
you. I'm sure that song plays well to the millions of American workers who
have lost their jobs because of crappy management, and the millions who
have also lost health care benefits, pension benefits, and much more,
despite giving all they had to "the business," and of course, let's not
forget the millions of American workers who have lost long-held jobs
because corporate management determined it would be "cheaper" to build or
service their product in China, India, or wherever.

Take care of the business for which you work, and, if it gets the chance,
the business for which you work will eliminate your job, your health care,
your pension. Or it will simply underfund its pension liabilities.

Sorry, but I don't believe that "shareholder equity" is any more valuable
than "worker equity." What many corporations in this country seem to do
best is to discard workers like used paper towels.

Note I said many...I did not say all.


Oh...and there is something wrong, very wrong, with the huge disparity at
many corporations between average pay and "executive" compensation.




"Take care of the business" implies doing a competent job whereby the
focus is on the success of the business. If the business is successful, so
will be the employees.

There's a huge change factor going on here .... the emergence of a global
economy. To remain competitive in it, the cost of doing business has to be
carefully analyzed and optimized. Otherwise, the business will ultimately
fail and everyone's out of a job and benefits.

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the most about
fat compensation packages are those not earning them.

I never had one, BTW. My reward was the success of the business, and all
of those who participated in whatever capacity benefited proportionally.

Eisboch



Eisboch,
You do know you would be more successful discussing this with a rock
than you would discussing this with Harry. At least a rock does not
have a distorted view of the world that will NEVER change.

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

It has always been interesting to me that those who complain the
most about fat compensation packages are those not earning them.

You would expect an exec being paid multiple millions to bitch about it?


At that level, his/her compensation was most likely a negotiated
package, approved and authorized by the Board of Directors.

The Board of Directors work for the stockholders.

Fun to watch you get fired up so early.

Eisboch



I'm not fired up, Richard. I save "fired up" for the work for which I
get paid, not usenet newsgroups.

Since you spend 95% of the day on UseNet you obviously don't work much.

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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The "future" of this country is in the hands of blithering uneducated
idiots like Loogy and his pals here, the ones with no imaginations,
no skills, no ability to think in the abstract. I'm glad I'm in my
mid 60's and unlikely to be around long enough to see them destroy
with finality what was once a great country.




Aw, come on. You love it and you know it.

Your life would be pretty dull with nothing to complain about.

Eisboch




Love idiots? I don't think so.

Things are pretty exciting around here at the moment. I'm writing and
will be co-producing and directing three new political television
commercials over the next 30 days, and we might be contracted for a few
more in September and early October. It's been a while since I've been
this directly involved in tv spots. These are just for U.S. House and
Senate candidates...nothing national, but a lot less dreary than the
position papers and daily speeches I usually get contracted to write.

Many years ago, I researched and wrote position papers for a fellow who
was running for federal office. This was in the days before the 'net
and easy access to some varieties of information, so the researching
took a lot of time and effort at actual libraries. The campaign had me
writing paper after paper, on the contingency that certain issues
*might* be raised, and they wanted to be prepared. What a frippin' drag
that was. Wish I had gotten paid by the word or by the pound for the
paper I used up.

Harry,
No one believes you Walter Mitty life, so why do you try so hard?

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On Jul 31, 8:45*am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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The "future" of this country is in the hands of blithering uneducated
idiots like Loogy and his pals here, the ones with no imaginations, no
skills, no ability to think in the abstract. I'm glad I'm in my mid 60's
and unlikely to be around long enough to see them destroy with finality
what was once a great country.

Aw, come on. *You love it and you know it.

Your life would be pretty dull with nothing to complain about.

Eisboch

Love idiots? I don't think so.

Things are pretty exciting around here at the moment. I'm writing and
will be co-producing and directing three new political television
commercials over the next 30 days, and we might be contracted for a few
more in September and early October. It's been a while since I've been
this directly involved in tv spots. These are just for U.S. House and
Senate candidates...nothing national, but a lot less dreary than the
position papers and daily speeches I usually get contracted to write.

Many years ago, I researched and wrote position papers for a fellow who
* was running for federal office. This was in the days before the 'net
and easy access to some varieties of information, so the researching
took a lot of time and effort at actual libraries. The campaign had me
writing paper after paper, on the contingency that certain issues
*might* be raised, and they wanted to be prepared. What a frippin' drag
that was. Wish I had gotten paid by the word or by the pound for the
paper I used up.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh damn! The lies get deeper and deeper, as in bull****!
What ads are you co-producing so we can verify any of this?

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"SSmokin" wrote in message
news:382692_1e000f0dbeee57eb7fbe79527fdd779d@0000. com...
Wow. Well, I think I got some good info, maybe a little TOO much. 8O
Look, I am serious, I wouldn't be taking time out of my schedual to
be here if I wasn't. I'm new to this stuff, so here I am. I ask
because a good friend of mine is pulling a 25' shockwave with a newer
F-150 w/ similer specs, with no problems at all. I just don't want to
get in over my head, literally, at the boat ramp. I know that my
manual says about 13,000 pounds, but the boat just seems big. For
those who think I'm a "Troll", sorry. This is my first time here,
so, don't know what to say. :? Well thanx for all the usful info.


Well, you could talk to a Ford dealer ..or.. look at this..
http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/p...F15_towing.pdf

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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The U.S. auto companies are in trouble because their management sucks
and has sucked for years, and they grossly overpay their mid and upper
level white collar workers, as do many American corporations.

The bulk of layoffs at GM and Ford right now are white collar jobs.


Ford and GM are "multinational" corporations, and the management there
doesn't give a crap whether they make cars in the USA or not.

Nonsense.

I can understand why you think the way you do Harry. I suspect very
much that you never held a job that had a bottom line accountability or
responsibility.

You seem to simply observe and complain about those that do.

Eisboch


Are you maintaining that GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been well-run
corporations the last decade or so?



Look for yourself.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=GM&a...g=m&z=66 &y=0

According to the historical stock price, starting in July, 1998, GM paid
a quarterly dividend of 50 cents every quarter until November of 2005.
The stock price appears to have fluctuated roughly between about $30 to
$40 per share. The quarterly dividend then dropped to 25 cents, but has
still been paid every quarter, the last being in May, 2008.
The decrease in the dividend corresponds to a decline in the stock value,
which happens to correspond to the increase in fuel costs.

So, in GM's case, yes, I'd say they are doing a reasonably good job
adjusting to a very difficult and changing market.

I didn't check Ford. Chrysler is a unique situation, having been
acquired by Mercedes, then recently sold to private investors.
I'd agree that Chrysler has not done well as a company over the past 10
years.

Eisboch


We obviously have different standards by which we judge corporations.

Heard on the news yesterday that GM wasn't leasing vehicles anymore due to
poor sales after vehicles turned back in.
Is that the same south of the border?

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On Jul 31, 8:45*am, hk wrote:


Things are pretty exciting around here at the moment. I'm writing and
will be co-producing and directing three new political television
commercials over the next 30 days, and we might be contracted for a few
more in September and early October. It's been a while since I've been
this directly involved in tv spots. These are just for U.S. House and
Senate candidates...nothing national, but a lot less dreary than the
position papers and daily speeches I usually get contracted to write.


Bull****... Bull****, bull****, bull****..... excuse me..

LOL..............;)