"Jim" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Who told me that? A "techie" guy on a real boating discussion board, who
backed up what he said with a quote from the manual.




Your "techie" is full of it.

Hydraulic systems are capable of very fine and repeatable positioning due
to the non-compressibility of the fluid.
They are used often over cable or pneumatic systems when fine
positioning control is required because they overcome the "sticky" nature
of pneumatics and the stretching of cables. In the business I was in we
used air over oil hydraulic systems to precisely move and locate 500 lb
objects to within thousands of an inch.

If the hydraulic steering system has not been purged of all air, or if
there is a leak, I can accept the helm position non-repeatability. But,
if leak-free and purged of all air, it should be perfectly repeatable.

It's the cross wind.

Eisboch

To be sure, if you see Krause's name anywhere in a thread, you will be
seeing a lot of horse **** being thrown around.
Cross wind will cause you to have to adjust helm position to maintain a
straight course but I don't think that is the complaint. the issue is that
when the boat is at rest and the engine is centered, the wheel position
has changed from it's original position.
I just took a peek at the Sea Star Web site. It seems there check valves
and pressure relief valves built into the system. A leak in a check valve
or operation of a pressure relief valve could be the cause of what these
guys are seeing. No? Not to mention seal leakage. I don't think these are
precision devices like the ones Eisboch is used to dealing with. The
subject has been beat to death and if anyone doesn't like the fact that
the suicide knob wont stay at 11 O' Clock, they should contact Teleflex
for relief. Or they could have Eisboch's old company design and build a
precision $500,000 helm.

Sorry, banana breath, but there's no good reason for a new hydraulic
steering system to leak or suck in air. check valves or not.
Cost is not an issue.

Eisboch

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:09:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:58:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:54:01 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Who told me that? A "techie" guy on a real boating discussion board, who
backed up what he said with a quote from the manual.




Your "techie" is full of it.

Hydraulic systems are capable of very fine and repeatable positioning due
to the non-compressibility of the fluid.
They are used often over cable or pneumatic systems when fine positioning
control is required because they overcome the "sticky" nature of
pneumatics and the stretching of cables. In the business I was in we
used air over oil hydraulic systems to precisely move and locate 500 lb
objects to within thousands of an inch.

If the hydraulic steering system has not been purged of all air, or if
there is a leak, I can accept the helm position non-repeatability. But,
if leak-free and purged of all air, it should be perfectly repeatable.

It's the cross wind.

Eisboch

To be sure, if you see Krause's name anywhere in a thread, you will be
seeing a lot of horse **** being thrown around.
Cross wind will cause you to have to adjust helm position to maintain a
straight course but I don't think that is the complaint. the issue is that
when the boat is at rest and the engine is centered, the wheel position has
changed from it's original position.
I just took a peek at the Sea Star Web site. It seems there check valves and
pressure relief valves built into the system. A leak in a check valve or
operation of a pressure relief valve could be the cause of what these guys
are seeing. No? Not to mention seal leakage. I don't think these are
precision devices like the ones Eisboch is used to dealing with. The subject
has been beat to death and if anyone doesn't like the fact that the suicide
knob wont stay at 11 O' Clock, they should contact Teleflex for relief. Or
they could have Eisboch's old company design and build a precision $500,000
helm.

Thank you - these are non-presurrized systems and air leaks happen no
matter what SeaStar says.

The nice thing is that it's easily corrected - add an ounce or two of
fluid and your off and running for another couple of years.

The helm "pump" actually acts more like a worm gear than a pump and
there will be slippage there also over time.

Mine is bled and purged every year and so far, it's been very
reliable.

~~ knocks on wood ~~

I'll be glad to sell you my knob at a discount!

Excuse me?

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:37:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:09:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:58:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:54:01 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:LZ6dneHmE7pb8fLVnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@giganews .com...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..



Who told me that? A "techie" guy on a real boating discussion board, who
backed up what he said with a quote from the manual.




Your "techie" is full of it.

Hydraulic systems are capable of very fine and repeatable positioning due
to the non-compressibility of the fluid.
They are used often over cable or pneumatic systems when fine positioning
control is required because they overcome the "sticky" nature of
pneumatics and the stretching of cables. In the business I was in we
used air over oil hydraulic systems to precisely move and locate 500 lb
objects to within thousands of an inch.

If the hydraulic steering system has not been purged of all air, or if
there is a leak, I can accept the helm position non-repeatability. But,
if leak-free and purged of all air, it should be perfectly repeatable.

It's the cross wind.

Eisboch

To be sure, if you see Krause's name anywhere in a thread, you will be
seeing a lot of horse **** being thrown around.
Cross wind will cause you to have to adjust helm position to maintain a
straight course but I don't think that is the complaint. the issue is that
when the boat is at rest and the engine is centered, the wheel position has
changed from it's original position.
I just took a peek at the Sea Star Web site. It seems there check valves and
pressure relief valves built into the system. A leak in a check valve or
operation of a pressure relief valve could be the cause of what these guys
are seeing. No? Not to mention seal leakage. I don't think these are
precision devices like the ones Eisboch is used to dealing with. The subject
has been beat to death and if anyone doesn't like the fact that the suicide
knob wont stay at 11 O' Clock, they should contact Teleflex for relief. Or
they could have Eisboch's old company design and build a precision $500,000
helm.

Thank you - these are non-presurrized systems and air leaks happen no
matter what SeaStar says.

The nice thing is that it's easily corrected - add an ounce or two of
fluid and your off and running for another couple of years.

The helm "pump" actually acts more like a worm gear than a pump and
there will be slippage there also over time.

Mine is bled and purged every year and so far, it's been very
reliable.

~~ knocks on wood ~~

I'll be glad to sell you my knob at a discount!

Excuse me?

STEEEEERRIINNNNGG KNOB!

Crap, that made *my* face red!

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:29:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Sorry, banana breath, but there's no good reason for a new hydraulic
steering system to leak or suck in air. check valves or not.
Cost is not an issue.

Then 'splain this Oh Mighty Warrior of The Waves. :)

1 - Why does SeaStar dealers supply an extra quart of fluid with every
steering system?

2 - If it's a closed system, why does it lose 1/2 ounce or so a year?

3 - In a closed system, once the engine is in position, it should stay
there but it don't.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Who told me that? A "techie" guy on a real boating discussion board,
who backed up what he said with a quote from the manual.




Your "techie" is full of it.

Hydraulic systems are capable of very fine and repeatable positioning
due to the non-compressibility of the fluid.
They are used often over cable or pneumatic systems when fine
positioning control is required because they overcome the "sticky"
nature of pneumatics and the stretching of cables. In the business I
was in we used air over oil hydraulic systems to precisely move and
locate 500 lb objects to within thousands of an inch.

If the hydraulic steering system has not been purged of all air, or if
there is a leak, I can accept the helm position non-repeatability.
But, if leak-free and purged of all air, it should be perfectly
repeatable.

It's the cross wind.

Eisboch

To be sure, if you see Krause's name anywhere in a thread, you will be
seeing a lot of horse **** being thrown around.
Cross wind will cause you to have to adjust helm position to maintain a
straight course but I don't think that is the complaint. the issue is
that when the boat is at rest and the engine is centered, the wheel
position has changed from it's original position.
I just took a peek at the Sea Star Web site. It seems there check valves
and pressure relief valves built into the system. A leak in a check valve
or operation of a pressure relief valve could be the cause of what these
guys are seeing. No? Not to mention seal leakage. I don't think these are
precision devices like the ones Eisboch is used to dealing with. The
subject has been beat to death and if anyone doesn't like the fact that
the suicide knob wont stay at 11 O' Clock, they should contact Teleflex
for relief. Or they could have Eisboch's old company design and build a
precision $500,000 helm.

Sorry, banana breath, but there's no good reason for a new hydraulic
steering system to leak or suck in air. check valves or not.
Cost is not an issue.

Eisboch

Horsefeathers. I'm stickin to my story.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:09:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:58:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:54:01 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:LZ6dneHmE7pb8fLVnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@giganews .com...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..



Who told me that? A "techie" guy on a real boating discussion board,
who
backed up what he said with a quote from the manual.




Your "techie" is full of it.

Hydraulic systems are capable of very fine and repeatable positioning
due
to the non-compressibility of the fluid.
They are used often over cable or pneumatic systems when fine
positioning
control is required because they overcome the "sticky" nature of
pneumatics and the stretching of cables. In the business I was in we
used air over oil hydraulic systems to precisely move and locate 500
lb
objects to within thousands of an inch.

If the hydraulic steering system has not been purged of all air, or if
there is a leak, I can accept the helm position non-repeatability.
But,
if leak-free and purged of all air, it should be perfectly repeatable.

It's the cross wind.

Eisboch

To be sure, if you see Krause's name anywhere in a thread, you will be
seeing a lot of horse **** being thrown around.
Cross wind will cause you to have to adjust helm position to maintain a
straight course but I don't think that is the complaint. the issue is
that
when the boat is at rest and the engine is centered, the wheel position
has
changed from it's original position.
I just took a peek at the Sea Star Web site. It seems there check valves
and
pressure relief valves built into the system. A leak in a check valve or
operation of a pressure relief valve could be the cause of what these
guys
are seeing. No? Not to mention seal leakage. I don't think these are
precision devices like the ones Eisboch is used to dealing with. The
subject
has been beat to death and if anyone doesn't like the fact that the
suicide
knob wont stay at 11 O' Clock, they should contact Teleflex for relief.
Or
they could have Eisboch's old company design and build a precision
$500,000
helm.

Thank you - these are non-presurrized systems and air leaks happen no
matter what SeaStar says.

The nice thing is that it's easily corrected - add an ounce or two of
fluid and your off and running for another couple of years.

The helm "pump" actually acts more like a worm gear than a pump and
there will be slippage there also over time.

Mine is bled and purged every year and so far, it's been very
reliable.

~~ knocks on wood ~~

I'll be glad to sell you my knob at a discount!

Excuse me?

Bad enough we were forced to hear about Johnnys' grandkids, Goofy cruises,
motorcycle adventures, his golf & RV'in..now were saddled with his sex life.
Lord help us all!.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:29:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Sorry, banana breath, but there's no good reason for a new hydraulic
steering system to leak or suck in air. check valves or not.
Cost is not an issue.

Then 'splain this Oh Mighty Warrior of The Waves. :)

1 - Why does SeaStar dealers supply an extra quart of fluid with every
steering system?

2 - If it's a closed system, why does it lose 1/2 ounce or so a year?

3 - In a closed system, once the engine is in position, it should stay
there but it don't.



It has air in the system.

Eisboch

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:29:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Sorry, banana breath, but there's no good reason for a new hydraulic
steering system to leak or suck in air. check valves or not.
Cost is not an issue.

Then 'splain this Oh Mighty Warrior of The Waves. :)

1 - Why does SeaStar dealers supply an extra quart of fluid with every
steering system?

2 - If it's a closed system, why does it lose 1/2 ounce or so a year?

3 - In a closed system, once the engine is in position, it should stay
there but it don't.

It has air in the system.

No air - purged and can't cram another millinanomicro drip into the
reservoir.

Hmmmm?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:29:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Sorry, banana breath, but there's no good reason for a new hydraulic
steering system to leak or suck in air. check valves or not.
Cost is not an issue.

Then 'splain this Oh Mighty Warrior of The Waves. :)

1 - Why does SeaStar dealers supply an extra quart of fluid with every
steering system?

2 - If it's a closed system, why does it lose 1/2 ounce or so a year?

3 - In a closed system, once the engine is in position, it should stay
there but it don't.

It has air in the system.

No air - purged and can't cram another millinanomicro drip into the
reservoir.

Hmmmm?

It has air in the system. "Purged" only means that the air that *can* bleed
out due to the limited exercising of the helm (several lock to lock
manipulations) after filling has been released. There's still air in the
system.

Eisboch

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:13:12 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:29:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Sorry, banana breath, but there's no good reason for a new hydraulic
steering system to leak or suck in air. check valves or not.
Cost is not an issue.

Then 'splain this Oh Mighty Warrior of The Waves. :)

1 - Why does SeaStar dealers supply an extra quart of fluid with every
steering system?

2 - If it's a closed system, why does it lose 1/2 ounce or so a year?

3 - In a closed system, once the engine is in position, it should stay
there but it don't.

It has air in the system.

No air - purged and can't cram another millinanomicro drip into the
reservoir.

Hmmmm?

It has air in the system. "Purged" only means that the air that *can* bleed
out due to the limited exercising of the helm (several lock to lock
manipulations) after filling has been released. There's still air in the
system.

So internal slippage/leakage, etc., cannot happen if no air is in the
system?