On May 28, 8:43*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 00:12:22 +0000, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************

We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. *We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the
difference.

Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet.

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment.
The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well-
disciplined team of approximately 300 employees."

http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx
Here ya go. *The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is
on this map. *Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any
CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. *They're all just WAREHOUSES!

Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult.

Man it's raining HARD outside!

Hey, I'm just confused enough to put Yamaha oil in my Yamaha. They can't
say I did something bad then!

In fact, I'll probably let the Yamaha service man put Yamaha oil in my
Yamaha. Then everyone'll be happy!
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 28, 8:43*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 00:12:22 +0000, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************

We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. *We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the
difference.

Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet.

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment.
The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well-
disciplined team of approximately 300 employees."

http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx
Here ya go. *The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is
on this map. *Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any
CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. *They're all just WAREHOUSES!

Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult.

Man it's raining HARD outside!

Hey, I'm just confused enough to put Yamaha oil in my Yamaha. They can't
say I did something bad then!

In fact, I'll probably let the Yamaha service man put Yamaha oil in my
Yamaha. Then everyone'll be happy!
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

Then they should trade their boat in for one of these:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg

--
John *H*

On May 29, 9:32*am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 28, 8:43*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 00:12:22 +0000, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************

We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. *We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the
difference.

Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet..

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment..
The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well-
disciplined team of approximately 300 employees."

http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx
Here ya go. *The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is
on this map. *Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any
CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. *They're all just WAREHOUSES!

Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult.

On May 29, 9:55*am, wrote:
On May 29, 9:32*am, John H. wrote:





On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 28, 8:43*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 00:12:22 +0000, Larry wrote:
John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************

We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. *We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. *More sales gimmicks. *The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. *That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. *I bet you'd never tell the
difference.

Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! *Call 'em. *Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. *Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. *The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! *You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet.

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment.

On May 29, 10:00*am, wrote:

But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

Then they should trade their boat in for one of these:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg

--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That ain't backyard boating.. this is:http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21
- Hide quoted text -

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Damn that canoe's sweet.- Hide quoted text -


Here's some more of the Warcanoe.. funny, a guy emailed me once. He
told me that a real war canoe was supposed to be 25-30 feet long and I
should maybe call mine a skirmish canoe

http://smallboats.com/boats_warcanoe.htm

Named after me mum...

On Thu, 29 May 2008 07:10:12 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On May 29, 10:00*am, wrote:

But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

Then they should trade their boat in for one of these:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg

--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That ain't backyard boating.. this is:http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21
- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Damn that canoe's sweet.- Hide quoted text -


Here's some more of the Warcanoe.. funny, a guy emailed me once. He
told me that a real war canoe was supposed to be 25-30 feet long and I
should maybe call mine a skirmish canoe

http://smallboats.com/boats_warcanoe.htm

Named after me mum...

That is just too beautiful for words. It's truly a work of art, Scott.

I assume you're holding off on building my boat, "The Herring Skiff?"

http://www.smallboats.com/images/skiff2thb.jpg

Nice stuff!

--
John *H*

wrote:


That ain't backyard boating.. this is:
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21


Just,

I noticed your "Stupid Dog" photos. We have a Chow Mix (probably with a
German Shepard", that we adopted as a puppy. The rescue agency
"marketed" her as a Keeshond, because as a puppy she looked exactly like
a Keeshond puppy. We named her Rocky, after Rocky Marciano, because she
had that fat head and fat nose that Marciano had. She also had that
strong bull headed determination / attitude that made Marciano (a boxer
with little boxing skills) a success.

Chows can be very strong willed dogs, who do a great job of pretending
to be stupid. That way, they can do only what they want to do, and
pretend they don't understand you, it forced me to train her completely
differently than my other dogs, but she can be so lovable.

We took her up to the lake last week, and she fought to stay out of the
water, until she saw there was mud under the water. It was funny
watching her lying down in water 10" deep, trying to figure out how to
roll around in the mud without getting her face wet.

On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:



But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

Then they should trade their boat in for one of these:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg

--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That ain't backyard boating.. this is:
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21


Holy ****! Do the neighbors not get on your case?

One time I was living on an Army post, and I had an old MGB GT in the
driveway. The engine, transmission radiator, hood, and all the other
assorted stuff removed to pull the engine, tranny and clutch was laying all
over the yard.

About six o'clock that night, I got a call from the Commanding General's
aide. He politely informed me that if my yard wasn't cleaned up by 0600 the
next morning, the moving trucks would be there to move me off post - at
*my* expense!

Luckily, I had some friends close by who would help, and by about three in
the morning we had the thing all back together. Close call!
--
John *H*

On May 29, 10:38*am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:







But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

Then they should trade their boat in for one of these:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg

--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That ain't backyard boating.. this is:
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21


Holy ****! Do the neighbors not get on your case?

One time I was living on an Army post, and I had an old MGB GT in the
driveway. The engine, transmission radiator, hood, and all the other
assorted stuff removed to pull the engine, tranny and clutch was laying all
over the yard.

About six o'clock that night, I got a call from the Commanding General's
aide. He politely informed me that if my yard wasn't cleaned up by 0600 the
next morning, the moving trucks would be there to move me off post - at
*my* expense!

Luckily, I had some friends close by who would help, and by about three in
the morning we had the thing all back together. Close call!
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One neighbor owned a a marina most of her life, a 26 foot Lyman,and a
30 foot Sparkman and Stevens she used to single hand out on the sound.
The other neighbor is a great older lady who was always happy to have
freindly neighbors, another I spent a considerable time helping him
restore the interior of his old farmhouse.. etc.... One neighbor did
complain once but the zoning commish basically giggled as he told me
"they want me to shut down a wooden boat builder in Essex CT. what a
joke", then he showed me where on my property I could build a
garage

The picture you see was one day when I had a lot of stuff there
cleaning out the shop, it was kind of a joke, but I will admit there
were days when it did look somewhat like that. I had a lot of real
good freinds down there, can't wait to go back someday, I still own
the place but my kid loves the school system up here so we won't be
back for at least 4 more years.

Scotty

On Thu, 29 May 2008 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On May 29, 10:38*am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:







But some people are just too poor to be able to afford an oil that may
end up costing you $5.00 dollars each change, apparently.

Then they should trade their boat in for one of these:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ardBoating.jpg

--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That ain't backyard boating.. this is:
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=6&pos=21


Holy ****! Do the neighbors not get on your case?

One time I was living on an Army post, and I had an old MGB GT in the
driveway. The engine, transmission radiator, hood, and all the other
assorted stuff removed to pull the engine, tranny and clutch was laying all
over the yard.

About six o'clock that night, I got a call from the Commanding General's
aide. He politely informed me that if my yard wasn't cleaned up by 0600 the
next morning, the moving trucks would be there to move me off post - at
*my* expense!

Luckily, I had some friends close by who would help, and by about three in
the morning we had the thing all back together. Close call!
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One neighbor owned a a marina most of her life, a 26 foot Lyman,and a
30 foot Sparkman and Stevens she used to single hand out on the sound.
The other neighbor is a great older lady who was always happy to have
freindly neighbors, another I spent a considerable time helping him
restore the interior of his old farmhouse.. etc.... One neighbor did
complain once but the zoning commish basically giggled as he told me
"they want me to shut down a wooden boat builder in Essex CT. what a
joke", then he showed me where on my property I could build a
garage

The picture you see was one day when I had a lot of stuff there
cleaning out the shop, it was kind of a joke, but I will admit there
were days when it did look somewhat like that. I had a lot of real
good freinds down there, can't wait to go back someday, I still own
the place but my kid loves the school system up here so we won't be
back for at least 4 more years.

Scotty

I figured it was a garage cleaning day!
--
John *H*