John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************



We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. More sales gimmicks. The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. I bet you'd never tell the
difference.


Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! Call 'em. Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet.

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment.
The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well-
disciplined team of approximately 300 employees."

http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx
Here ya go. The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is
on this map. Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any
CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. They're all just WAREHOUSES!

Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult.

Man it's raining HARD outside!

Larry wrote:
John H. wrote in
:

On 4-stroke oils, there is a fairly new certification system endorsed
by the
oil blenders and the 4-stroke manufacturers, called "four-stroke,
water-cooled" or FC-W. Because an outboard may run in sal****er, sit
unused for long periods of time, and runs high rpms for hours on end
unlike a car motor, the industry wanted a spec for approved outboard
oils. New owners manuals now state what oil grades to use and say an
FC-W certified oil if you don't use an OEM lubricant. If you are into
synthetics, surprisingly the
Amsoil 4-stroke oil is FC-W approved unlike their 2-stroke oils which
are not TC-W3 approved. Here is more info on the FC-W lubes:

http://nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp
**********************************************



We can't have you boys just dropping by WalMart and buying Quaker State
to put in your 4-strokers, like the rest of the world. We just HAVE to
make an NMMA-friendly spec of oils only the damned dealers will be
selling for $20/gallon, like the OEM crap.

What nonsense. More sales gimmicks. The only reason they don't tell you
you MUST use their OEM oils is the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Protection Act
(15USC50 section 2304) which states that if they tell you you MUST use
OEM consumables, then they MUST PROVIDE those consumables at no cost for
the life of the item, no matter what item it is. That puts a stop to
being forced to buy Mr Goodwrench's oil for your Chevy to keep the
warranty working.

Sure would like to take two brand new Hondas on the back of a boat, put
Rotella T diesel oil in one of them and this overpriced **** in the other
and track everything that goes wrong with both of them for the next
20,000 hours of heavy use on some water taxi. I bet you'd never tell the
difference.


Amsoil....

Amsoil is a SCAM! Call 'em. Ask 'em where the REFINERY or CHEMICAL
PLANT is that AMSOIL OWNS. Ask for the address of that factory where
they make it. The only thing Amsoil owns is a BOTTLING PLANT! You can
see it on Google Earth in Superior, Wisconsin.

"Facilities
THE AMSOIL CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND MAIN
DISTRIBUTION CENTER are located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several
regional warehouses strategically located throughout North America and
overseas. These facilities cover a total of nearly 700,000 square feet.

The state-of-the-art lubricant production plant contains materials
blending and bulk storage facilities, as well as highspeed bottling lines
and packaging equipment. The main warehouse serves as the hub of a global
distribution network; bottles, cases, drums and totes bearing the AMSOIL
label are shipped worldwide. Capacity is geared to meet projected market
demands decades away.

The AMSOIL administrative functions are centrally located and outfitted
with the latest in communications and information processing equipment.
The entire complex is staffed by a cooperative, knowledgeable and well-
disciplined team of approximately 300 employees."

http://www.amsoil.com/distribution_centers_map.aspx
Here ya go. The address of every one of their "distribution centers" is
on this map. Look down on 'em from Google Earth and see if you see any
CHEMICAL FACTORY anywhere. They're all just WAREHOUSES!

Scam written all over it....."Just believe", it's like a goddamned cult.

Man it's raining HARD outside!


The fact that some wags came up with a new "certification" in order to
sell more expensive oil doesn't mean the oils they are trying to sell
are any better than anyone else's oils.

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.

HK wrote in
:

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.



I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. Such a
facility still illudes me. It's nowhere....

How ya been, Harry?

Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.



I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. Such a
facility still illudes me. It's nowhere....

How ya been, Harry?


He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.

On May 28, 8:48*pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.

I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. *You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. *Such a
facility still illudes me. *It's nowhere....

How ya been, Harry?

He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. *Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!- Hide quoted text -


Screw off Chicken ****....

wrote:
On May 28, 8:48 pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:
What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?
Nothing they weren't already putting in it.
I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. Such a
facility still illudes me. It's nowhere....
How ya been, Harry?
He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Try again, braindead. All our southern mechanic buddy claimed in the
post several weeks ago was that a number of oil marketers had subjected
certain of their products to some sort of certification procedure.
Nowhere did anyone claim that products were specially "brewed" to meet
some *new* standard.

Did you ever actually graduate from high school?

Crikey, you are dumb as a post.

On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:14:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 28, 8:48*pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.

I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. *You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. *Such a
facility still illudes me. *It's nowhere....

How ya been, Harry?

He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. *Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Loogy!

Check your email.

Package on the way, over.
--
John *H*

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 05:14:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 28, 8:48 pm, DK wrote:
Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:
What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?
Nothing they weren't already putting in it.
I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. Such a
facility still illudes me. It's nowhere....
How ya been, Harry?
He's the same as always and still worth ignoring. Join the club - it
makes the group so much nicer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Harry calling a certified mechanic a "wag"......that's rich!

Loogy!

Check your email.

Package on the way, over.


I hope you didn't send him part of your brain, since you have so little
left.

Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:

What do the oil manufacturers put into that fancy oil to meet the new
spec?

Nothing they weren't already putting in it.



I've been trying to find out what Amsoil puts in.....and where they put it
in it. You'd think it'd be in giant tanks in a huge oil facility, not
dumped into a 55 gallon drum of oil from the lowest bidder. Such a
facility still illudes me. It's nowhere....

How ya been, Harry?


Not bad, Larry. Here, I just mostly watch the antics.