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On Apr 27, 1:25*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 4:13 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 5:00 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message .... On Apr 25, 12:31 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message .... On Apr 25, 10:21 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 2:37 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 11:28 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 8:57 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 2:16 am, "CalifBill" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Apr 23, 5:49 pm, HK wrote: D-unit wrote: "HK" wrote in messagenews:dY6dnQ9YUOgINJLVnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comca st.com... ...I was mightily impressed by Hillary Clinton's 10-point victory yesterday in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary. The woman is tough and resilient, tough enough to beat the crap out of the Republicans this fall. I like Barack Obama, but I don't think he is tough enough to take on the Republican smear machine that will be out in full force and, in fact, already is, based upon some dirty ads I've seen. The Indiana primary is one I am going to watch closely. The Clinton's can smear with the best of them my friend. Including attacks on B. Obama. Its the way things work around here. db Indeed. That's part of being "tough" in the current realpolitic... I expect the Republicans to throw whatever they can, real or made-up, against the Democratic nominee. In fact, they're already tossing crap against Obama in North Carolina. Whoever the Democratic nominee is, he or she damn well better be ready to throw it back and more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and Billary can't tell the truth to save their lives.. Now he is saying Obama used the race card.. they have him on tape.. The next day he denied it, also on tape... sniper fire indeed. But I know, is, is.... Don't you even care Harry? What I care about is that on inauguration day in January, a Democrat is sworn in as POTUS. Vote McCain, he sucks less. If Obama could accomplish anything, why would Chicago be more dangerous than Iraq?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It isn't. That's a well worn out tactic that is based on no fact.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You should watch the news more often. 10 dead, and nearly 40 shot in Chicago just in the last week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Still doesn't add up, not by a long shot. Damn close. Is a supposedly modern city in America. Been a Politically controlled town for ever, and this is what we have?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nope. No where near close. Number of murders and crime down in Chicago CHICAGO (AP) - The Chicago Police Department says crime is down and the murder rate could be at its lowest in 42 years. The trend in Chicago is part of an overall decline in crime nationwide. Before 2003, Chicago reported more than 600 murders a year. There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said. Police are working to dismantle gang leadership and remove drugs and guns from the streets, she said. This year, Chicago police recovered 13,474 guns, including 6,003 from a gun turn-in program. Demographers say the growth rate in major metropolitan areas is slowing, which also means less crime. Chicago lost 62,000 residents between 2000 and last year, Loyola University professor Kenneth Johnson said. ============================================ "There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said." It'll have to be a real slow last seven months for the murder rate not to exceed the "before 2003 rate of 600/year". The city is on track to come close to, or exceed 1,000 this year.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And you think that's near the number of murders and needless deaths in Iraq?????? Did *I* write that? I just pointed out that Chicago's (I lived there for 50 years) violent crimes are on the up-swing this year. When you extrapolate this the numbers YTD, it doesn't look like crime is down as the article would have you believe after reading the first sentence. You should have posted the date the article was written. That's a 12-2007 piece so the "428 murders" for "this" year actually applies to 12-2007 YTD not YTD 2008. I should have known better to trust some cut and paste here without a date.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hehttp://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ It fluctuates, because it's by the week, but you can clearly see that it's between 500 and a thousand per WEEK. How close to that is Chicago's murder rate again? =========================== Read my post above and see if you can understand it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You were in agreement with those who have stated in this thread that Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others. ===================================== You are a freakin dunder head. I never agreed to any such thing. You claim to have a masters degree in something or another, where did you get your diploma? http://www.fakedegrees.com/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Try this: FOLLOW.....................THE................THRE AD....... Is that slow enough for you? If you do the above, you'll see what we are discussing here...... ============================================= I'll take one of your tactics. *Show me where I agreed that "Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others". *Can't do it, can you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How about when I said that the two (Chicago and Iraq) aren't even close in the terms presented and you disagreed...... |
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wrote in message ... On Apr 27, 1:25 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 4:13 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 5:00 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 12:31 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 10:21 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 2:37 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 11:28 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 8:57 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 2:16 am, "CalifBill" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Apr 23, 5:49 pm, HK wrote: D-unit wrote: "HK" wrote in messagenews:dY6dnQ9YUOgINJLVnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comca st.com... ...I was mightily impressed by Hillary Clinton's 10-point victory yesterday in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary. The woman is tough and resilient, tough enough to beat the crap out of the Republicans this fall. I like Barack Obama, but I don't think he is tough enough to take on the Republican smear machine that will be out in full force and, in fact, already is, based upon some dirty ads I've seen. The Indiana primary is one I am going to watch closely. The Clinton's can smear with the best of them my friend. Including attacks on B. Obama. Its the way things work around here. db Indeed. That's part of being "tough" in the current realpolitic... I expect the Republicans to throw whatever they can, real or made-up, against the Democratic nominee. In fact, they're already tossing crap against Obama in North Carolina. Whoever the Democratic nominee is, he or she damn well better be ready to throw it back and more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and Billary can't tell the truth to save their lives.. Now he is saying Obama used the race card.. they have him on tape. The next day he denied it, also on tape... sniper fire indeed. But I know, is, is.... Don't you even care Harry? What I care about is that on inauguration day in January, a Democrat is sworn in as POTUS. Vote McCain, he sucks less. If Obama could accomplish anything, why would Chicago be more dangerous than Iraq?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It isn't. That's a well worn out tactic that is based on no fact.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You should watch the news more often. 10 dead, and nearly 40 shot in Chicago just in the last week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Still doesn't add up, not by a long shot. Damn close. Is a supposedly modern city in America. Been a Politically controlled town for ever, and this is what we have?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nope. No where near close. Number of murders and crime down in Chicago CHICAGO (AP) - The Chicago Police Department says crime is down and the murder rate could be at its lowest in 42 years. The trend in Chicago is part of an overall decline in crime nationwide. Before 2003, Chicago reported more than 600 murders a year. There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said. Police are working to dismantle gang leadership and remove drugs and guns from the streets, she said. This year, Chicago police recovered 13,474 guns, including 6,003 from a gun turn-in program. Demographers say the growth rate in major metropolitan areas is slowing, which also means less crime. Chicago lost 62,000 residents between 2000 and last year, Loyola University professor Kenneth Johnson said. ============================================ "There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said." It'll have to be a real slow last seven months for the murder rate not to exceed the "before 2003 rate of 600/year". The city is on track to come close to, or exceed 1,000 this year.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And you think that's near the number of murders and needless deaths in Iraq?????? Did *I* write that? I just pointed out that Chicago's (I lived there for 50 years) violent crimes are on the up-swing this year. When you extrapolate this the numbers YTD, it doesn't look like crime is down as the article would have you believe after reading the first sentence. You should have posted the date the article was written. That's a 12-2007 piece so the "428 murders" for "this" year actually applies to 12-2007 YTD not YTD 2008. I should have known better to trust some cut and paste here without a date.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hehttp://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ It fluctuates, because it's by the week, but you can clearly see that it's between 500 and a thousand per WEEK. How close to that is Chicago's murder rate again? =========================== Read my post above and see if you can understand it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You were in agreement with those who have stated in this thread that Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others. ===================================== You are a freakin dunder head. I never agreed to any such thing. You claim to have a masters degree in something or another, where did you get your diploma? http://www.fakedegrees.com/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Try this: FOLLOW.....................THE................THRE AD....... Is that slow enough for you? If you do the above, you'll see what we are discussing here...... ============================================= I'll take one of your tactics. Show me where I agreed that "Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others". Can't do it, can you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How about when I said that the two (Chicago and Iraq) aren't even close in the terms presented and you disagreed...... ====================================== I never wrote any such thing. If you're so sure I did, copy and paste the text. Can't do it, can you? |
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wrote in message ... On Apr 27, 1:25 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 4:13 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 5:00 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 12:31 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 10:21 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 2:37 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 11:28 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 8:57 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 2:16 am, "CalifBill" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Apr 23, 5:49 pm, HK wrote: D-unit wrote: "HK" wrote in messagenews:dY6dnQ9YUOgINJLVnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comca st.com... ...I was mightily impressed by Hillary Clinton's 10-point victory yesterday in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary. The woman is tough and resilient, tough enough to beat the crap out of the Republicans this fall. I like Barack Obama, but I don't think he is tough enough to take on the Republican smear machine that will be out in full force and, in fact, already is, based upon some dirty ads I've seen. The Indiana primary is one I am going to watch closely. The Clinton's can smear with the best of them my friend. Including attacks on B. Obama. Its the way things work around here. db Indeed. That's part of being "tough" in the current realpolitic... I expect the Republicans to throw whatever they can, real or made-up, against the Democratic nominee. In fact, they're already tossing crap against Obama in North Carolina. Whoever the Democratic nominee is, he or she damn well better be ready to throw it back and more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and Billary can't tell the truth to save their lives.. Now he is saying Obama used the race card.. they have him on tape. The next day he denied it, also on tape... sniper fire indeed. But I know, is, is.... Don't you even care Harry? What I care about is that on inauguration day in January, a Democrat is sworn in as POTUS. Vote McCain, he sucks less. If Obama could accomplish anything, why would Chicago be more dangerous than Iraq?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It isn't. That's a well worn out tactic that is based on no fact.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You should watch the news more often. 10 dead, and nearly 40 shot in Chicago just in the last week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Still doesn't add up, not by a long shot. Damn close. Is a supposedly modern city in America. Been a Politically controlled town for ever, and this is what we have?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nope. No where near close. Number of murders and crime down in Chicago CHICAGO (AP) - The Chicago Police Department says crime is down and the murder rate could be at its lowest in 42 years. The trend in Chicago is part of an overall decline in crime nationwide. Before 2003, Chicago reported more than 600 murders a year. There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said. Police are working to dismantle gang leadership and remove drugs and guns from the streets, she said. This year, Chicago police recovered 13,474 guns, including 6,003 from a gun turn-in program. Demographers say the growth rate in major metropolitan areas is slowing, which also means less crime. Chicago lost 62,000 residents between 2000 and last year, Loyola University professor Kenneth Johnson said. ============================================ "There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said." It'll have to be a real slow last seven months for the murder rate not to exceed the "before 2003 rate of 600/year". The city is on track to come close to, or exceed 1,000 this year.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And you think that's near the number of murders and needless deaths in Iraq?????? Did *I* write that? I just pointed out that Chicago's (I lived there for 50 years) violent crimes are on the up-swing this year. When you extrapolate this the numbers YTD, it doesn't look like crime is down as the article would have you believe after reading the first sentence. You should have posted the date the article was written. That's a 12-2007 piece so the "428 murders" for "this" year actually applies to 12-2007 YTD not YTD 2008. I should have known better to trust some cut and paste here without a date.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hehttp://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ It fluctuates, because it's by the week, but you can clearly see that it's between 500 and a thousand per WEEK. How close to that is Chicago's murder rate again? =========================== Read my post above and see if you can understand it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You were in agreement with those who have stated in this thread that Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others. ===================================== You are a freakin dunder head. I never agreed to any such thing. You claim to have a masters degree in something or another, where did you get your diploma? http://www.fakedegrees.com/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Try this: FOLLOW.....................THE................THRE AD....... Is that slow enough for you? If you do the above, you'll see what we are discussing here...... ============================================= I'll take one of your tactics. Show me where I agreed that "Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others". Can't do it, can you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How about when I said that the two (Chicago and Iraq) aren't even close in the terms presented and you disagreed...... ================================= I just came up with challenge for you. If you can copy and paste where I wrote that the homicide rate in Chicago is any where near as bad as the killings in Iraq, I will never post in this group again. If you can't paste that quote from me, you will never post in this group again. Deal? |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Don White" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message Kill em all, let alla sort them out. alla?? Ask HK to explain what you should think about a typo. Just a warning... the Islamic community doesn't take these slights lightly. Why are you afraid of the Islamic community? I'm not because I don't disrespect them. Your statement two posts ago belies your bravado. You are a follower and not a leader. When you are challenged you will cower in fear. Yeah... just like you cowered when you hid stateside behind a reserve marine unit. What was your most dangerous duty...picking up dropped soap in the shower? |
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Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Don White" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message Kill em all, let alla sort them out. alla?? Ask HK to explain what you should think about a typo. Just a warning... the Islamic community doesn't take these slights lightly. Why are you afraid of the Islamic community? I'm not because I don't disrespect them. Your statement two posts ago belies your bravado. You are a follower and not a leader. When you are challenged you will cower in fear. Yeah... just like you cowered when you hid stateside behind a reserve marine unit. What was your most dangerous duty...picking up dropped soap in the shower? That probably was his "most fun" duty. :) |
As a student of politics...
"Don White" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. .. Your statement two posts ago belies your bravado. You are a follower and not a leader. When you are challenged you will cower in fear. Yeah... just like you cowered when you hid stateside behind a reserve marine unit. What was your most dangerous duty...picking up dropped soap in the shower? Don, I guess you are not familiar with The United States Government or It's military. Bar's service was at the pleasure of The United States Government. Stateside reservists are not protected from the call to duty anywhere in the world. If you are insecure enough to worry about dropping soap, maybe you should use soap on a rope when you visit the community bath house. BTW- This is going to be a lonely place for you, if you don't stop taking your lead from harry and jim'h. |
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Jim wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. . Your statement two posts ago belies your bravado. You are a follower and not a leader. When you are challenged you will cower in fear. Yeah... just like you cowered when you hid stateside behind a reserve marine unit. What was your most dangerous duty...picking up dropped soap in the shower? Don, I guess you are not familiar with The United States Government or It's military. Bar's service was at the pleasure of The United States Government. Stateside reservists are not protected from the call to duty anywhere in the world. If you are insecure enough to worry about dropping soap, maybe you should use soap on a rope when you visit the community bath house. BTW- This is going to be a lonely place for you, if you don't stop taking your lead from harry and jim'h. Good grief..."advice" from Flatulent Jim...the stench alone is enough to make you puke. |
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On Apr 28, 8:45*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 27, 1:25 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 4:13 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message .... On Apr 25, 5:00 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 12:31 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 25, 10:21 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 2:37 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 11:28 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 8:57 am, wrote: On Apr 24, 2:16 am, "CalifBill" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Apr 23, 5:49 pm, HK wrote: D-unit wrote: "HK" wrote in messagenews:dY6dnQ9YUOgINJLVnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comca st.com... ...I was mightily impressed by Hillary Clinton's 10-point victory yesterday in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary. The woman is tough and resilient, tough enough to beat the crap out of the Republicans this fall. I like Barack Obama, but I don't think he is tough enough to take on the Republican smear machine that will be out in full force and, in fact, already is, based upon some dirty ads I've seen. The Indiana primary is one I am going to watch closely. The Clinton's can smear with the best of them my friend. Including attacks on B. Obama. Its the way things work around here. db Indeed. That's part of being "tough" in the current realpolitic... I expect the Republicans to throw whatever they can, real or made-up, against the Democratic nominee. In fact, they're already tossing crap against Obama in North Carolina. Whoever the Democratic nominee is, he or she damn well better be ready to throw it back and more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and Billary can't tell the truth to save their lives.. Now he is saying Obama used the race card.. they have him on tape. The next day he denied it, also on tape... sniper fire indeed. But I know, is, is.... Don't you even care Harry? What I care about is that on inauguration day in January, a Democrat is sworn in as POTUS. Vote McCain, he sucks less. If Obama could accomplish anything, why would Chicago be more dangerous than Iraq?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It isn't. That's a well worn out tactic that is based on no fact.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You should watch the news more often. 10 dead, and nearly 40 shot in Chicago just in the last week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Still doesn't add up, not by a long shot. Damn close. Is a supposedly modern city in America. Been a Politically controlled town for ever, and this is what we have?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nope. No where near close. Number of murders and crime down in Chicago CHICAGO (AP) - The Chicago Police Department says crime is down and the murder rate could be at its lowest in 42 years. The trend in Chicago is part of an overall decline in crime nationwide. Before 2003, Chicago reported more than 600 murders a year. There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said. Police are working to dismantle gang leadership and remove drugs and guns from the streets, she said. This year, Chicago police recovered 13,474 guns, including 6,003 from a gun turn-in program. Demographers say the growth rate in major metropolitan areas is slowing, which also means less crime. Chicago lost 62,000 residents between 2000 and last year, Loyola University professor Kenneth Johnson said. ============================================ "There were 471 murders last year; so far this year, 428 have been reported, Chicago police spokeswoman Monique Bond said." It'll have to be a real slow last seven months for the murder rate not to exceed the "before 2003 rate of 600/year". The city is on track to come close to, or exceed 1,000 this year..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And you think that's near the number of murders and needless deaths in Iraq?????? Did *I* write that? I just pointed out that Chicago's (I lived there for 50 years) violent crimes are on the up-swing this year. When you extrapolate this the numbers YTD, it doesn't look like crime is down as the article would have you believe after reading the first sentence. You should have posted the date the article was written. That's a 12-2007 piece so the "428 murders" for "this" year actually applies to 12-2007 YTD not YTD 2008. I should have known better to trust some cut and paste here without a date.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hehttp://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ It fluctuates, because it's by the week, but you can clearly see that it's between 500 and a thousand per WEEK. How close to that is Chicago's murder rate again? =========================== Read my post above and see if you can understand it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You were in agreement with those who have stated in this thread that Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others. ===================================== You are a freakin dunder head. I never agreed to any such thing. You claim to have a masters degree in something or another, where did you get your diploma? http://www.fakedegrees.com/-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Try this: FOLLOW.....................THE................THRE AD....... Is that slow enough for you? If you do the above, you'll see what we are discussing here...... ============================================= I'll take one of your tactics. Show me where I agreed that "Chicago is akin to Iraq in numbers of deaths from the hand of others". Can't do it, can you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How about when I said that the two (Chicago and Iraq) aren't even close in the terms presented and you disagreed...... ================================= I just came up with challenge for you. If you can copy and paste where I wrote that the homicide rate in Chicago is any where near as bad as the killings in Iraq, I will never post in this group again. If you can't paste that quote from me, you will never post in this group again. Deal?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll post any damned where I feel like, period. Enlighten, please. What IS your take on people saying Chicago's homicide rate compared to Iraq's? |
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On Apr 28, 9:50*am, HK wrote:
Jim wrote: "Don White" wrote in message .. . "BAR" wrote in message m... . Your statement two posts ago belies your bravado. You are a follower and not a leader. When you are challenged you will cower in fear. Yeah... just like you cowered when you hid stateside behind a reserve marine unit. What was your most dangerous duty...picking up dropped soap in the shower? Don, I guess you are not familiar with The United States Government or It's military. Bar's service was at the pleasure of The United States Government. Stateside reservists are not protected from the call to duty anywhere in the world. If you are insecure enough to worry about dropping soap, maybe you should use soap on a rope when you visit the community bath house. BTW- This is going to be a lonely place for you, if you don't stop taking your lead from harry and jim'h. Good grief..."advice" from Flatulent Jim...the stench alone is enough to make you puke.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's some mighty refined and cultured name calling! |
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wrote in message ... On Apr 28, 9:50 am, HK wrote: Good grief..."advice" from Flatulent Jim...the stench alone is enough to make you puke.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's some mighty refined and cultured name calling! This is harry's way of showing off his upbringing and honoring his parents. |
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