On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44

I hope not. I've got one about three miles away that I use frequently. I'm
going to pick up my boat in two weeks, and I'll need the lines, anchor
rode, life vests, etc.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44
I hope not. I've got one about three miles away that I use frequently.
I'm
going to pick up my boat in two weeks, and I'll need the lines, anchor
rode, life vests, etc.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)
Just curious as your purchased the boat last year and knew what it
needed: Why didn't you shop for theses items over the net at a more
reasonable price months ago?
Interesting. Our local Parker dealer puts a "safety/convenience kit" in
each boat it sells, properly spec'd and sized. My new Parker came with
flares, six life jackets, a "tossable" cushion, a Danforth anchor, 10' of
chain, 150' of anchor line, four dock lines, a whistle (!), and a few
other goodies, including a full tank of fuel. Plus, the dealer installed
at no cost to me the electronics I mostly did not buy from him, and also
at no cost to me fitted the trailer I did not buy from him.


Come to think of it..........all of the boats we purchased in the past
came with dock lines, anchor(s)/anchor line and safety equipment including
life jackets, flares, etc.......

The boats we sold included the same equipment.


It's usually referred to as "The Coast Guard Package" and is included with
virtually all new boats. It may be a requirement on the manufacturer, but I
am not sure. I think it is. When we bought the Navigator I was surprised
that the manufacturer even included a ship's bell in the package, which is
required on boats over a certain length.

Eisboch




Well, apparently it is not a requirement for *all* manufacturers. :)

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:13:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44

Ug Gah Lee.

Tom, do you know anything about these auto pfd's?

http://tinyurl.com/2vtpbt

That seems like a pretty good price.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44
I hope not. I've got one about three miles away that I use
frequently. I'm
going to pick up my boat in two weeks, and I'll need the lines,
anchor
rode, life vests, etc.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)
Just curious as your purchased the boat last year and knew what it
needed: Why didn't you shop for theses items over the net at a more
reasonable price months ago?
Interesting. Our local Parker dealer puts a "safety/convenience kit" in
each boat it sells, properly spec'd and sized. My new Parker came with
flares, six life jackets, a "tossable" cushion, a Danforth anchor, 10'
of chain, 150' of anchor line, four dock lines, a whistle (!), and a
few other goodies, including a full tank of fuel. Plus, the dealer
installed at no cost to me the electronics I mostly did not buy from
him, and also at no cost to me fitted the trailer I did not buy from
him.


Come to think of it..........all of the boats we purchased in the past
came with dock lines, anchor(s)/anchor line and safety equipment
including life jackets, flares, etc.......

The boats we sold included the same equipment.


It's usually referred to as "The Coast Guard Package" and is included
with virtually all new boats. It may be a requirement on the
manufacturer, but I am not sure. I think it is. When we bought the
Navigator I was surprised that the manufacturer even included a ship's
bell in the package, which is required on boats over a certain length.

Eisboch


Well, apparently it is not a requirement for *all* manufacturers. :)


I am not sure. The Whaler that I bought new came with a "package" that was
obviously shipped with the boat from the factory, due to the way it was
packaged. Same with the Scout, Egg Harbor and Navigator. All the
equipment in the USCG "Package" was shipped with the boat from the factory.
That's why I suspect it is a requirement placed on the boat manufacturer and
not a "free gift" from the dealer although often advertised as such.

Eisboch

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Of the boats I have purchased, only 1 was new (dealer going out of
business). All came with the items I described previously.

Whenever I sold the boats, they were sold with the same items with no
price inflation for including those items.


Did a little Goggling ....

I think the "Coast Guard Package" equipment is required to be supplied by
manufacturers who are NMMA certified and follow
ABCY standards. Most of the well known manufacturers are members and are
certified by NMMA.

http://www.nmma.org/certification/pr.../boatlinks.asp

It's customary to sell a boat with the basic safety equipment including life
preservers, flares, lines, fenders, power cord(s), etc.
Mrs. E has a hard time understanding why we have to give the future owners
of her Grand Banks the pretty, new, white shore power cord that she bought
to replace the old yellow cruddy one.

I told her to stick to horses.

Eisboch

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:06:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:19:51 -0500, John H.
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:13:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44

Ug Gah Lee.

Tom, do you know anything about these auto pfd's?

http://tinyurl.com/2vtpbt

That seems like a pretty good price.

I'm not familiar with this brand = I have Mustang auto-pfds and love
'em. Being a larger size human being, I found them to be the more
comfortable than the Stearns.

I also have an Orca jacket and a Mustang Jacket that are very nice in
colder weather.

As to personal experience with them, I can attest to the fact that
they work and work well. :)

Thanks.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:16:28 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44

I hope not. I've got one about three miles away that I use frequently. I'm
going to pick up my boat in two weeks, and I'll need the lines, anchor
rode, life vests, etc.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

Just curious as your purchased the boat last year and knew what it needed:
Why didn't you shop for theses items over the net at a more reasonable price
months ago?


Not all that worried about saving $4. I've a good relationship with my West
Marine guys. Besides, for PFD's, lines, and some of the other stuff, I like
to be able to see, try on, and/or feel what I'm getting.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:08:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44
I hope not. I've got one about three miles away that I use frequently.
I'm
going to pick up my boat in two weeks, and I'll need the lines, anchor
rode, life vests, etc.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

Just curious as your purchased the boat last year and knew what it
needed: Why didn't you shop for theses items over the net at a more
reasonable price months ago?

Interesting. Our local Parker dealer puts a "safety/convenience kit" in
each boat it sells, properly spec'd and sized. My new Parker came with
flares, six life jackets, a "tossable" cushion, a Danforth anchor, 10' of
chain, 150' of anchor line, four dock lines, a whistle (!), and a few
other goodies, including a full tank of fuel. Plus, the dealer installed
at no cost to me the electronics I mostly did not buy from him, and also
at no cost to me fitted the trailer I did not buy from him.



Come to think of it..........all of the boats we purchased in the past
came with dock lines, anchor(s)/anchor line and safety equipment including
life jackets, flares, etc.......

The boats we sold included the same equipment.


It's usually referred to as "The Coast Guard Package" and is included with
virtually all new boats. It may be a requirement on the manufacturer, but I
am not sure. I think it is. When we bought the Navigator I was surprised
that the manufacturer even included a ship's bell in the package, which is
required on boats over a certain length.

Eisboch


From what I've seen, the Coast Guard Package usually includes the cheapest
that will meet requirements. When I got the Proline, the first thing I did
was get new lines and anchor rode.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44
I hope not. I've got one about three miles away that I use frequently..
I'm
going to pick up my boat in two weeks, and I'll need the lines, anchor
rode, life vests, etc.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

Just curious as your purchased the boat last year and knew what it
needed: Why didn't you shop for theses items over the net at a more
reasonable price months ago?

Interesting. Our local Parker dealer puts a "safety/convenience kit" in
each boat it sells, properly spec'd and sized. My new Parker came with
flares, six life jackets, a "tossable" cushion, a Danforth anchor, 10' of
chain, 150' of anchor line, four dock lines, a whistle (!), and a few
other goodies, including a full tank of fuel. Plus, the dealer installed
at no cost to me the electronics I mostly did not buy from him, and also
at no cost to me fitted the trailer I did not buy from him.

Come to think of it..........all of the boats we purchased in the past
came with dock lines, anchor(s)/anchor line and safety equipment including
life jackets, flares, etc.......

The boats we sold included the same equipment.

It's usually referred to as "The Coast Guard Package" *and is included with
virtually all new boats. *It may be a requirement on the manufacturer, but I
am not sure. * I think it is. * When we bought the Navigator I was surprised
that the manufacturer even included a ship's bell in the package, which is
required on boats over a certain length.

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Interesting about the shops bell. about the second time I took my old
27' Cahalier out on the lake I was stopped by park and Forest for a
random check. They asked for a PFD and I showed them a cushion. well,
that didn't go over very well. even though it said it was "Coast Guard
aproved" or something liek that. I wasn't going to argue. They're
interpretation of the rules overrode mine. They asked me for a noise
device, Well, I had the standard equipment bell. That didn't go over
either.

They said I had to have a horn or a wistle. Again, their rules over
rode my ideas and I wasn't going to argue that point as well. Oh they
were nice enough and gave me my two warnings. next time out I had a
couple semi-truck horns mounted, and a couple titanic-sized donut like
throwables with proper roper etc.

And in two years with running that leaky tub, I never saw the patrol
again.

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:16:28 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Not sure but for all I know, it looks like they may tank...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080326?rpc=44

I hope not. I've got one about three miles away that I use frequently.
I'm
going to pick up my boat in two weeks, and I'll need the lines, anchor
rode, life vests, etc.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

Just curious as your purchased the boat last year and knew what it needed:
Why didn't you shop for theses items over the net at a more reasonable
price
months ago?

Not all that worried about saving $4. I've a good relationship with my
West
Marine guys. Besides, for PFD's, lines, and some of the other stuff, I
like
to be able to see, try on, and/or feel what I'm getting.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

*Relationship* with the WM guys? *Heck, they are most likely hourly
employees who will leave for a better job in a heart beat. *Sort of like
building a relationship with someone from Walmart.

Regarding the saving of a whopping $4 on "lines, anchor rode, life vests,
etc. by purchasing from your buds at West Marine vs. marine retailers on the
net.............all I have to say is.......eh?- Hide quoted text -

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In a way I would agree. But, in a different example, I've delt with
one local music store for several years, and have spent literally
thousands of dollars with them. The crew there loves me, especially
since they work on a small salary plus commission. But I'm on good
rrpore with them and they with me, and they are pretty knowledgable
with their products, and they know I'm not one to be con'd.

I wouldn't say that I'm "to the death" friends with them, but they've
always treated me great. I wouldn't say they're your typical huge
retailer "sales geeks" like what you find at Sam Ash, Guitar Center,
and the like. They're not out to grab a fast buck and dont' care how
they get it.

Anyhow, back on track.

I'd say that JohnH could be speaking well about the people he deals
with at WMarine, because they probably know him and like to keep him
as a customer.

The way their tanking, they might want to keep him as a customer
because he he might be the last guy out the door before they close the
gates ... LOL!