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It doesn't matter. There is nothing Clinton did that begins to
compare with the horrors perpetrated by Dubya.
Some would argue that is because Clinton didn't do much, period.
US interests were attacked many times by terrorists during the
Clinton years with very little action or response on his part.
Eisboch
How many U.S. civilians died as a result of terrorist attacks on
U.S. territory during Clinton's administrations? How many
military
personnel were killed or horribly injured during Clinton's
administrations because of his ignorance, arrogance, or
intellectual
laziness?
You can't be so naive as to believe what comes out of your addled
brain? You liberals, excuse me progressives, are always harping
about how you have to look beyond the shores of the US for this or
that but, when it may suite your arguments you pull everything
back
within our North American borders.
Yes, well, the critical aspect of Bush's presidency was that he was
asleep or on vacation for most of the time before 9-11, ignored
advice, and then proceeded after 9-11 to go after Iraq, the *wrong*
country. Bush is ignorant, arrogant, and intellectually lazy.
Hey...those are pretty much right-wing traits... :)
Ignorant? He has two Ivy League degrees where you have non.
Bush was a "legacy" at Yale and his admission was bought at Harvard
Biziness.
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Okay, just as soon as I see proof of Harry's lobster boat, Yale
degree, and father's trans Atlantic crossing and subsequent fireboat
welcome in NYC. After all, this is about me calling Harry out on his
lies. And no, I wasn't caught in a lie. A few fools that don't know
any better, like you and Fritz, made it into a lie. Again, I have a
bachelor's and undergrad degree and will show proof when the above is
met, okay warp17?

Besides, you've told everyone here that you know all about me, you
even told people here that I got a dui in Gwinnett county because you
heard it from an advertisement rag out there.
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I hear.....crickets........

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It doesn't matter. There is nothing Clinton did that begins to
compare with the horrors perpetrated by Dubya.

Some would argue that is because Clinton didn't do much, period.

US interests were attacked many times by terrorists during the
Clinton years with very little action or response on his part.

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On Mar 13, 7:42*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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No, but I have always said by spreading the wealth, mass
communication, and real education we can eventually make them pretty
much impotent like our own KKK here in the US. If those kids had a
sneaker factory to work at, a car to drive a girl around with, and a
movie to go to, they would not be thinking about blowing themselves up
out of dispair..

But, gee, *that* will take about ..... hmmmm... *100 years!

I don't disagree with the idea but I think hatred of the west is brainwashed
in radial Islam teachings starting at birth and has religion as it's
backbone. * *It's very, very difficult if not impossible to re-educate or
change. * We may be able to make them relatively impotent, but they will
always remain a threat.

Eisboch

Hatred of, well anybody that was not the same as them, is brainwashed
in radical racism starting at birth and has religion as it's backbone.
Yes, the Klan think of themselves as Christians, it is their religion.
Not only do they hate any person of color, but in the end they hate
anyone who is not their brand of radical christian. I have been in
men's houses and seen them send their 7 yo children to show me their
robe and plastic guy, I will not tell you what the child said when she
came from her room, it made me ill. I asked an obviously less than
willing member why? He told me "my brothers are Klan, my father, my
boss, my peers, my kids teachers, the feed store owner.. If I was not
in the Klan, I could not live here". I have seen what happens to a
good family when the formal certificate comes out ex-communicating a
member and his family.. And in the end, I found out how they treat a
person who will not join...

My point is that was in the early 80's and it was dying then. Through
education, and mass communication, desegregation, I knew it was
destined to fall, thankfully. MTV believe it or not probably had as
much to do with it as the schools. Imagine this conversation. A child
comes home from school and asks his dad. "Dad, I was with Jamie today
getting help with my math, he is the smartest kid in the class, and he
plays piano better than anyone I have ever heard and he is black".
"Why can't he be my best friend?" He can't answer, the kid is in a
good school and can't be fooled into believing his dads claims that
his friend is no more than an ape, I said back then it was close but
it still might take a couple of generations for the older ones to die
off. And yes, there are still some around, but they are really pretty
much considered a nuisance by most, a laughing stock by others. Either
way, they have been outed and they have very little influence, as time
goes on they will be no more than a few exhibits in some lame museum.

How does this relate to extremists claiming to be religious? Remember
Indonesia, the flood? Indonesia is one of the most populous Islam
countries on the earth, and has a huge population of extremists. I
understand that the US Navy was the first one on the scene as we had
an aircraft group in the area. I also understand they already had a
contingency plan in place for such an event. The first Americans on
the scene were comfortably attractive female sailors and "strapping"
young all American boys. Very intentional and also making it easier
for them to work there in those conditions. Now imagine the child
having been told all his life "Americans have pointed teeth and ears,
and they eat their conquests, they are devils". And the kid answers
"Dad, what about that nice American soldier that pulled mommy and me
out of the hut, took us to their big boat, and gave mommy a new leg..
They were very nice, they saved us.?"

Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

S was recruited by the KKK in 82 in northern Alabama, I turned them
down of course.

It's a good plan, but the Muslims are building their own schools. Here in
Alexandria we have a Muslim school that is in the news almost once a year
because of some anti-American 'education' they're putting out.

They just seem to hunker down until the heat blows by, and then it's back
to business as usual.

As long as they can control what the kids see all day, your television in
the schools won't do much good.
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John H

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:25:44 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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On Mar 13, 7:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

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Sure it makes sense, and it's a good plan.

Meanwhile, for the 100 years or so it takes for this to happen, we need to
be on guard, willing to fight and kill to defend ourselves, our freedom and
culture.

Otherwise, we won't be here 100 years from now to embrace the enlightened.

Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to destroy us.

Eisboch



The biggest weapon in the terrorists arsenal?

Poverty and hunger.

People who are destitute and hungry with no hope are very easy to recruit. They
will go along with anyone who comes to them with the answers to their immediate
problems. If we had spent the money already wasted on this idiotic and futile
"War on Terror" building houses, schools and hospitals and feeding people's
families, 3000 of our soldiers would still be alive and home with their
families. Instead, they are ripe for the picking when the terrorists come
calling, looking for anyone who wants someone to care about them.


So all we need to do is feed and clothe the world.

That's a good starting point.


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John H

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:18:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?



Better than running in circles for the next, what, 1000 years, blowing our
national treasure, human and otherwise, on a stupid, useless war that only
pays off for corporate interests.


Harry, are you seriously suggesting that we "negotiate" a solution with the
leaders of Islamic fundamentalism, including bin Laden?

Good grief.

Eisboch


I believe you'll get more of the liberal philosophy - tell you what 'won't'
work, but provide no alternatives. They are afraid to get laughed at.
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Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?


What's your plan, Florida Jim? Never ending military action, sacrificing
the sons and daughters of other Americans?

My plan is to test Harry's notion that you can negotiate with terrorists.
Any volunteers? Harry!------------- Harry! You there Harry? Damn. He
ran away again.

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Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

Are you running for 'liberal'?
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John H

You better tell me you forgot the smiley.

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:23:59 -0400, "
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Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

Better than running in circles for the next, what, 1000 years, blowing
our national treasure, human and otherwise, on a stupid, useless war
that only pays off for corporate interests.


Harry, are you seriously suggesting that we "negotiate" a solution with
the leaders of Islamic fundamentalism, including bin Laden?

Good grief.

Eisboch

Of course not, but I am suggesting that waging "military war" for the next
1000 years is equally idiotic. The war against religious fundamentalism is
not going to be won via militarism.

Typical for you. Any ACTION will meet with your disapproval. So your
solution is to sit on the sidelines and bitch about everything. Stand up for
something. Anything. Be a man for once in your miserable life.

On Mar 14, 8:34*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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Eisboch wrote:

Harry, are you seriously suggesting that we "negotiate" a solution with
the leaders of Islamic fundamentalism, including bin Laden?

Good grief.

Eisboch

Of course not, but I am suggesting that waging "military war" for the next
1000 years is equally idiotic. The war against religious fundamentalism is
not going to be won via militarism.

Well, I agree that the war may not be won, but the physical attacks on this
country may be controlled.

Eisboch

And any plan to spread the wealth, health, and prosperity can not
happen until there are somewhat stable and safe environments for us to
deliver to. That means leaders in those countries who want to let the
folks prosper, sometimes that takes a war, sometimes not.

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:25:44 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

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On Mar 13, 7:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

------------------------------------------------------

Sure it makes sense, and it's a good plan.

Meanwhile, for the 100 years or so it takes for this to happen, we need to
be on guard, willing to fight and kill to defend ourselves, our freedom and
culture.

Otherwise, we won't be here 100 years from now to embrace the enlightened.

Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to destroy us.

Eisboch


The biggest weapon in the terrorists arsenal?

Poverty and hunger.

People who are destitute and hungry with no hope are very easy to recruit. They
will go along with anyone who comes to them with the answers to their immediate
problems. If we had spent the money already wasted on this idiotic and futile
"War on Terror" building houses, schools and hospitals and feeding people's
families, 3000 of our soldiers would still be alive and home with their
families. Instead, they are ripe for the picking when the terrorists come
calling, looking for anyone who wants someone to care about them.
Once feeds the hunger with solace that the after life will be better and
the the other binds them to government handouts for the rest of their lives.

Far preferable to us spending the next 1000 years sending our younjg
people to die for absolutely no good reason, and spending the same
amount of money anyway.
Both are in bondage to an ideaology. I would rather be bound to capitalism.

People need to be responsible for their actions whether that is being a
terrorist or lazy.

So lets stop being lazy, and responsibly address the problem, rather
than killing our kids and destroying what this country stood for when
it was founded.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

If you don't want work to support yourself, I don't want to support you
either in any manner.

You are free to spend your own money and convince others to spend their
own money to support lazy people. But, I have a problem when you want to
take my money, via taxes, and give it to the lazy pricks to blow on
crack and cable TV.


Just how much of that Kool-Aid did you drink?


Nevermind. I think the answer is obvious.

See ya!

Why should I support lazy people? Why should I be legally compelled to
support lazy people?