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No, but I have always said by spreading the wealth, mass
communication, and real education we can eventually make them pretty
much impotent like our own KKK here in the US. If those kids had a
sneaker factory to work at, a car to drive a girl around with, and a
movie to go to, they would not be thinking about blowing themselves up
out of dispair..



But, gee, *that* will take about ..... hmmmm... 100 years!

I don't disagree with the idea but I think hatred of the west is brainwashed
in radial Islam teachings starting at birth and has religion as it's
backbone. It's very, very difficult if not impossible to re-educate or
change. We may be able to make them relatively impotent, but they will
always remain a threat.

Eisboch

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 13, 7:18 am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:59 pm, hk wrote:
harry, no pres, had done anything about immigration control all the
way back to FDR and before.
really now, isn't blaming Bush about immigration sort of a lame
arguement?
Tim, that's not true. The first big illegal immigrant amnesty I recall
was perpetrated by Ronnie Raygun.
As for blaming Bush, well, he *has* ben *the man* for the past seven+
years, and he's done nothing about it, along with the many other sores
tasking this country about which he has done nothing.
He was just following the example set by his immediate predecessor,
Clinton. Clinton the accomplish nothing president.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh sure he did, Billary sold our missle and nuke tech to the Chinese
military for 3million in late illegal campaign contributions which put
him over the top the second time around.. Of course after saturating
the west coast with the money and winning the election, they "noticed"
the problem and returned the money OOOOPs..


Back to the real world: Clinton one the second time around because he
was popular and because his opponent was a lousy presidential candidate
and ran a half-assed campaign.

"Clinton one"?

snerk this

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

On Mar 13, 7:42*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote:

No, but I have always said by spreading the wealth, mass
communication, and real education we can eventually make them pretty
much impotent like our own KKK here in the US. If those kids had a
sneaker factory to work at, a car to drive a girl around with, and a
movie to go to, they would not be thinking about blowing themselves up
out of dispair..

But, gee, *that* will take about ..... hmmmm... *100 years!

I don't disagree with the idea but I think hatred of the west is brainwashed
in radial Islam teachings starting at birth and has religion as it's
backbone. * *It's very, very difficult if not impossible to re-educate or
change. * We may be able to make them relatively impotent, but they will
always remain a threat.

Eisboch

Hatred of, well anybody that was not the same as them, is brainwashed
in radical racism starting at birth and has religion as it's backbone.
Yes, the Klan think of themselves as Christians, it is their religion.
Not only do they hate any person of color, but in the end they hate
anyone who is not their brand of radical christian. I have been in
men's houses and seen them send their 7 yo children to show me their
robe and plastic guy, I will not tell you what the child said when she
came from her room, it made me ill. I asked an obviously less than
willing member why? He told me "my brothers are Klan, my father, my
boss, my peers, my kids teachers, the feed store owner.. If I was not
in the Klan, I could not live here". I have seen what happens to a
good family when the formal certificate comes out ex-communicating a
member and his family.. And in the end, I found out how they treat a
person who will not join...

My point is that was in the early 80's and it was dying then. Through
education, and mass communication, desegregation, I knew it was
destined to fall, thankfully. MTV believe it or not probably had as
much to do with it as the schools. Imagine this conversation. A child
comes home from school and asks his dad. "Dad, I was with Jamie today
getting help with my math, he is the smartest kid in the class, and he
plays piano better than anyone I have ever heard and he is black".
"Why can't he be my best friend?" He can't answer, the kid is in a
good school and can't be fooled into believing his dads claims that
his friend is no more than an ape, I said back then it was close but
it still might take a couple of generations for the older ones to die
off. And yes, there are still some around, but they are really pretty
much considered a nuisance by most, a laughing stock by others. Either
way, they have been outed and they have very little influence, as time
goes on they will be no more than a few exhibits in some lame museum.

How does this relate to extremists claiming to be religious? Remember
Indonesia, the flood? Indonesia is one of the most populous Islam
countries on the earth, and has a huge population of extremists. I
understand that the US Navy was the first one on the scene as we had
an aircraft group in the area. I also understand they already had a
contingency plan in place for such an event. The first Americans on
the scene were comfortably attractive female sailors and "strapping"
young all American boys. Very intentional and also making it easier
for them to work there in those conditions. Now imagine the child
having been told all his life "Americans have pointed teeth and ears,
and they eat their conquests, they are devils". And the kid answers
"Dad, what about that nice American soldier that pulled mommy and me
out of the hut, took us to their big boat, and gave mommy a new leg..
They were very nice, they saved us.?"

Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

S was recruited by the KKK in 82 in northern Alabama, I turned them
down of course.

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On Mar 13, 7:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

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Sure it makes sense, and it's a good plan.

Meanwhile, for the 100 years or so it takes for this to happen, we need to
be on guard, willing to fight and kill to defend ourselves, our freedom and
culture.

Otherwise, we won't be here 100 years from now to embrace the enlightened.

Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to destroy us.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:25:44 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 7:42 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote:
Now imagine we get MTV or CNN or BBC into the schools so they can see
what is out there beyond the hate.. I know I tend to ramble but I
still submit it can be done at least to the point where extremists can
be considered no more than a pain in the ass. It will just take a
couple of generations to let the falsehoods die off, help them have
stable governments so they can have jobs, schools, mass communication.
Yes, it may take lot of time work and money and maybe even blood to
get them there.. But it can and must be done. And with a little
backbone, we in the free world can get them there... just like the
south...

Hope that all makes sense.

------------------------------------------------------

Sure it makes sense, and it's a good plan.

Meanwhile, for the 100 years or so it takes for this to happen, we need to
be on guard, willing to fight and kill to defend ourselves, our freedom and
culture.

Otherwise, we won't be here 100 years from now to embrace the enlightened.

Islamic fundamentalists have sworn to destroy us.

Eisboch



The biggest weapon in the terrorists arsenal?

Poverty and hunger.

People who are destitute and hungry with no hope are very easy to recruit. They
will go along with anyone who comes to them with the answers to their immediate
problems. If we had spent the money already wasted on this idiotic and futile
"War on Terror" building houses, schools and hospitals and feeding people's
families, 3000 of our soldiers would still be alive and home with their
families. Instead, they are ripe for the picking when the terrorists come
calling, looking for anyone who wants someone to care about them.

Once feeds the hunger with solace that the after life will be better and
the the other binds them to government handouts for the rest of their lives.

People need to be responsible for their actions whether that is being a
terrorist or lazy.

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to
happen via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?


What's your plan, Florida Jim? Never ending military action, sacrificing
the sons and daughters of other Americans?

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:53:14 -0400, salty wrote:


The biggest weapon in the terrorists arsenal?

I'm starting to suspect *we* are. People forget, as recently as 20 years
ago, Iraq was a prosperous, secular, non-terrorist state, and our ally to
boot. Now look at it. Iran was a budding democracy, until our very own
CIA, overthrew Mossadegh. Now look at it.

Poverty and hunger.

People who are destitute and hungry with no hope are very easy to
recruit. They will go along with anyone who comes to them with the
answers to their immediate problems. If we had spent the money already
wasted on this idiotic and futile "War on Terror" building houses,
schools and hospitals and feeding people's families, 3000 of our
soldiers would still be alive and home with their families. Instead,
they are ripe for the picking when the terrorists come calling, looking
for anyone who wants someone to care about them.

For sure, we wouldn't be worse off. Radical Islam is a small percentage
of Islam. We paint all of Islam with the same brush, at our peril.

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:23:59 -0400, "
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.

The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch
Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to happen
via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?

Are you running for 'liberal'?


Better than running in circles for the next, what, 1000 years, blowing
our national treasure, human and otherwise, on a stupid, useless war
that only pays off for corporate interests.

HK wrote:
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Win *yet*? You don't really think we are going to put down the
Islamists, do you.


The ones that have sworn to Allah to kill you, me, our wives, kids,
families, neighborhoods? Those?

You betcha.

Eisboch

Yeah, how? They're in 50 different countries. It is not going to
happen via military action.
Negotiation. That's the ticket. Right Harry?


What's your plan, Florida Jim? Never ending military action, sacrificing
the sons and daughters of other Americans?

Peace is the period between the last war and the next war.

Islam has been fighting this current war for 1,000 years now.