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Don White wrote:
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:23:44 -0500, HK wrote:

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush, saying he was unaware
of
predictions of $4-a-gallon gasoline in the coming months, told
reporters Thursday that the best way to help Americans fend off
high
prices is for Congress to make his first-term tax cuts permanent.

...

Analysts have said that gasoline could reach $4 a gallon by this
spring, due to strong demand and a change in formulation, among
other reasons.

When taking the question about the $4 milestone, Bush told the
reporter, *"That's interesting. I hadn't heard that."*
Strong demand. What a crock of ****. Last spring, it was "on fears
of
renewed violence in Baghdad". Prices are effected by events in a
country from which we get pretty much zero oil?

Can somebody please explain to me why high oil prices is perceived
as
a unique problem to the USA with Bush at the center of the cause?
Political blame for US election advantage.

The sad thing is that Bush leaves office as soon as the next
President
is sworn in on 1/20/09. Why is everyone running against Bush?


The sad thing? There will be dancing in the streets when the IDIOT
heads
back to Crawford, or wherever he plans to go to take up his video
games,
booze, coke, and drunken driving.

Oh...it is the *failed* Bush-GOP policies against which the Dems will
run. Got it?
Harry, does your mother know you're telling lies about her?

You're still past tense.
--
John H

Back to bringing families into the foolishness here eh Johnny?
Time for an extended Goofy cruise..... from now until May would just
about do it.
Did you lazy son drink all of your beer again?

Speaking of idiots...........
I don't have a lazy son laying around my house, watching my TV, eating my
food and drinking my beer.


Well.. believe it or not, looks like we have something in common.
The only thing my son does on your list is .. he eats most of his meals
here...... but since he pays 'room & board', I assume this is acceptable to
you?

Any child over the age of 25 still living at home regardless of paying
rent or room and board should be pushed out the door. Your children need
to find their own way in life and they should be strongly encouraged to
do so. There are exceptions for physically or mentally disabled.

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:09:02 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
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Eisboch wrote:
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Eisboch wrote:
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I'll bet that Dicque Cheney is working right now with his "BIG
OIL" buddies to try to knock the price of gas down temporarily
two weeks before the November elections.
Sure he is Harry. Sure he is.

The blame for the price of oil doesn't reside with politicians,
current or past.
The blame resides with us.

Eisboch
I think a steep "excess profits tax" would tighten things up a
hair, that and members representing the public and responsible to
it sitting on big oil boards.
How will that affect the price of a barrel of oil here? Or in
Japan? or in China? or in Sweden? or in Great Britain? or in
Germany? or Italy?

Eisboch
Oversight and pressure, and the excess profits tax could be used to
help non-profit entities unaffiliated with big oil develop
alternative energy sources.
Wistful thinking. Despite your protests, industry drives innovation
and technical development, not "non-profit" centers staffed with
lifelong members of academia making a living on government grants.
I've been exposed to both for many, many years.
Industry is what makes things happen and imposing more taxes on it
simply slows things down.

Eisboch


I see no reason to trust Big Oil, and I wasn't suggesting academia.

Harry, your original comment was pure, liberal, anti-Bush, stupid.
But, it
did get Eisboch talking to you again, to tell you so. Therefore, it must
have been worthwhile.


You don't really think I give a damn about what your three crosswired
synapses produce, do you?

If you didn't care you wouldn't respond.

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On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:32:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Everyone says 4 dollars... I will throw my prediction in, I think we
will test 5 dollars a gallon before the end of the year.

I'll take that bet. I'll say that gas will be back at $2.34/gal by
the end of the year.

And oil will be down around $60/bl.

What do you base that on?

Fantasy what?

If I knew you, I would gave you 3:1 odds against and an $10,000 wager you
are wrong.


I would up the odds to 4::1 on $100,000.

There is no way oil will drop to $60/barrel and gasoline drop to $2.34 by
the end of 2008, Presidential election year or not.

This series of posts is a keeper. ;-)

Hey, I was trying to make money on an almost assured bet, you undercut
me....

Will do 5:1?

We'll see who is right. :)

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Don White wrote:
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:23:44 -0500, HK
wrote:

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush, saying he was
unaware of
predictions of $4-a-gallon gasoline in the coming months, told
reporters Thursday that the best way to help Americans fend off
high
prices is for Congress to make his first-term tax cuts
permanent.

...

Analysts have said that gasoline could reach $4 a gallon by
this
spring, due to strong demand and a change in formulation, among
other reasons.

When taking the question about the $4 milestone, Bush told the
reporter, *"That's interesting. I hadn't heard that."*
Strong demand. What a crock of ****. Last spring, it was "on
fears of
renewed violence in Baghdad". Prices are effected by events in a
country from which we get pretty much zero oil?

Can somebody please explain to me why high oil prices is
perceived as
a unique problem to the USA with Bush at the center of the cause?
Political blame for US election advantage.

The sad thing is that Bush leaves office as soon as the next
President
is sworn in on 1/20/09. Why is everyone running against Bush?


The sad thing? There will be dancing in the streets when the IDIOT
heads
back to Crawford, or wherever he plans to go to take up his video
games,
booze, coke, and drunken driving.

Oh...it is the *failed* Bush-GOP policies against which the Dems
will
run. Got it?
Harry, does your mother know you're telling lies about her?

You're still past tense.
--
John H

Back to bringing families into the foolishness here eh Johnny?
Time for an extended Goofy cruise..... from now until May would just
about do it.
Did you lazy son drink all of your beer again?

Speaking of idiots...........
I don't have a lazy son laying around my house, watching my TV, eating
my food and drinking my beer.


Well.. believe it or not, looks like we have something in common.
The only thing my son does on your list is .. he eats most of his meals
here...... but since he pays 'room & board', I assume this is acceptable
to you?

Any child over the age of 25 still living at home regardless of paying
rent or room and board should be pushed out the door. Your children need
to find their own way in life and they should be strongly encouraged to do
so. There are exceptions for physically or mentally disabled.



Is this Blurt, the pseudo Christian or Blurt, the pseudo marine talkin'?

"HK" wrote in message
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He's in a halfway house, hopefully on his way to a "fullway" house. :)


I wouldn't hold my breath...those %^%& politicians are slippery *******s.
We would love to nail a former prime minister ( Ronnie Reagan bum boy) up
here, but with his Conservative party currently in power....... he shucks &
jives with the best of them.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:09:02 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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I'll bet that Dicque Cheney is working right now with his "BIG
OIL" buddies to try to knock the price of gas down temporarily
two weeks before the November elections.
Sure he is Harry. Sure he is.

The blame for the price of oil doesn't reside with politicians,
current or past.
The blame resides with us.

Eisboch
I think a steep "excess profits tax" would tighten things up a
hair, that and members representing the public and responsible
to it sitting on big oil boards.
How will that affect the price of a barrel of oil here? Or in
Japan? or in China? or in Sweden? or in Great Britain? or in
Germany? or Italy?

Eisboch
Oversight and pressure, and the excess profits tax could be used
to help non-profit entities unaffiliated with big oil develop
alternative energy sources.
Wistful thinking. Despite your protests, industry drives
innovation and technical development, not "non-profit" centers
staffed with lifelong members of academia making a living on
government grants. I've been exposed to both for many, many years.
Industry is what makes things happen and imposing more taxes on it
simply slows things down.

Eisboch


I see no reason to trust Big Oil, and I wasn't suggesting academia.

Harry, your original comment was pure, liberal, anti-Bush, stupid.
But, it
did get Eisboch talking to you again, to tell you so. Therefore, it must
have been worthwhile.


You don't really think I give a damn about what your three crosswired
synapses produce, do you?

If you didn't care you wouldn't respond.


You ought to consider putting a halt to your projecting, Blurt.

To me, the non-thinking, doctrinaire *far* righties like Herring, you,
and a couple of others here are just subjects for ridicule, certainly
not anyone to take seriously.

Why would I care what you think? What you think doesn't matter.

Don White wrote:
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Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
news Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:23:44 -0500, HK
wrote:

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush, saying he was
unaware of
predictions of $4-a-gallon gasoline in the coming months, told
reporters Thursday that the best way to help Americans fend off
high
prices is for Congress to make his first-term tax cuts
permanent.

...

Analysts have said that gasoline could reach $4 a gallon by
this
spring, due to strong demand and a change in formulation, among
other reasons.

When taking the question about the $4 milestone, Bush told the
reporter, *"That's interesting. I hadn't heard that."*
Strong demand. What a crock of ****. Last spring, it was "on
fears of
renewed violence in Baghdad". Prices are effected by events in a
country from which we get pretty much zero oil?

Can somebody please explain to me why high oil prices is
perceived as
a unique problem to the USA with Bush at the center of the cause?
Political blame for US election advantage.

The sad thing is that Bush leaves office as soon as the next
President
is sworn in on 1/20/09. Why is everyone running against Bush?


The sad thing? There will be dancing in the streets when the IDIOT
heads
back to Crawford, or wherever he plans to go to take up his video
games,
booze, coke, and drunken driving.

Oh...it is the *failed* Bush-GOP policies against which the Dems
will
run. Got it?
Harry, does your mother know you're telling lies about her?

You're still past tense.
--
John H

Back to bringing families into the foolishness here eh Johnny?
Time for an extended Goofy cruise..... from now until May would just
about do it.
Did you lazy son drink all of your beer again?

Speaking of idiots...........
I don't have a lazy son laying around my house, watching my TV, eating
my food and drinking my beer.

Well.. believe it or not, looks like we have something in common.
The only thing my son does on your list is .. he eats most of his meals
here...... but since he pays 'room & board', I assume this is acceptable
to you?
Any child over the age of 25 still living at home regardless of paying
rent or room and board should be pushed out the door. Your children need
to find their own way in life and they should be strongly encouraged to do
so. There are exceptions for physically or mentally disabled.



Is this Blurt, the pseudo Christian or Blurt, the pseudo marine talkin'?



It is Mr. Blurt to you Don. I am a Christian. I am a former Marine. I am
proud of my life, what I have done so far and what I plan to do in the
future.

Loving your children does not require that you coddle them.

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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He's in a halfway house, hopefully on his way to a "fullway" house. :)


I wouldn't hold my breath...those %^%& politicians are slippery *******s.
We would love to nail a former prime minister ( Ronnie Reagan bum boy) up
here, but with his Conservative party currently in power....... he shucks &
jives with the best of them.



Have you stopped and taken a look at why the Conservative party is in
power? You can bitch about all you want but, a majority of your fellow
citizens disagree with you.

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"Big Oil" helps set the price of the crude it buys. You think it
doesn't have "partners" sitting on the OPEC committees?


I'm sure they do. But, there are also speculators at work, in the
exact same way speculators dick with the price of stocks to the point
where their prices are completely disconnected from physical &
financial reality.

Speculative nonsense:


Think back. Although laughable when compared to current values, the
price of oil quadrupled during the oil "shortage" crisis in the early
70's on Nixon's watch. Later that decade, under Carter it doubled
again in less than 12 months.

Neither had anything to do with Wall Street, Dick Cheney or secret
"Big Oil" meetings with OPEC.

Eisboch



That was then. This is now. And (separate issue), in this discussion,
I'm not concerned with any particular politician.

In the long list of things you buy regularly, can you think of 5 or 6
whose prices are determined by speculators, causing almost daily price
swings? I'm in the grocery biz, and I handle about 500 different
products. I don't see this happening.

How about shoes, or anything else you buy?


I am on a conservation kick. I go barefoot.

Seriously, at 100 bucks or so a barrel, I don't see daily price swings
of a few dollars per barrel as being very significant.
There's something more than speculators causing prices to more than
double in two years. I admit, I don't fully understand how oil prices
are "set" despite JimH's links. Seems to me that those who control the
goods determine the price.

Eisboch


It's all the factors working together. Demand is part of it, but not all
of it. The problem is that people will gamble on absolutely anything. If
we added chick pea futures to the other available via the commodities
exchanges, people would be gambling on chick peas.

And if they are wrong, they lose their shirts.

Supply and demand eventually wins.


But someone always wins, no matter what happens to the speculators. That's a
multi-million dollar business, and it does not serve the best interests of
this country.

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"Big Oil" helps set the price of the crude it buys. You think it
doesn't have "partners" sitting on the OPEC committees?

I'm sure they do. But, there are also speculators at work, in the
exact same way speculators dick with the price of stocks to the point
where their prices are completely disconnected from physical &
financial reality.

Speculative nonsense:

Think back. Although laughable when compared to current values, the
price of oil quadrupled during the oil "shortage" crisis in the early
70's on Nixon's watch. Later that decade, under Carter it doubled
again in less than 12 months.

Neither had anything to do with Wall Street, Dick Cheney or secret
"Big Oil" meetings with OPEC.

Eisboch


That was then. This is now. And (separate issue), in this discussion,
I'm not concerned with any particular politician.

In the long list of things you buy regularly, can you think of 5 or 6
whose prices are determined by speculators, causing almost daily price
swings? I'm in the grocery biz, and I handle about 500 different
products. I don't see this happening.

How about shoes, or anything else you buy?

I am on a conservation kick. I go barefoot.

Seriously, at 100 bucks or so a barrel, I don't see daily price swings
of a few dollars per barrel as being very significant.
There's something more than speculators causing prices to more than
double in two years. I admit, I don't fully understand how oil prices
are "set" despite JimH's links. Seems to me that those who control the
goods determine the price.

Eisboch

It's all the factors working together. Demand is part of it, but not all
of it. The problem is that people will gamble on absolutely anything. If
we added chick pea futures to the other available via the commodities
exchanges, people would be gambling on chick peas.
And if they are wrong, they lose their shirts.

Supply and demand eventually wins.


But someone always wins, no matter what happens to the speculators. That's a
multi-million dollar business, and it does not serve the best interests of
this country.



Why doesn't it serve the best interests of this country?