"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Solar, although getting better, is still less efficient than wind.

Eisboch

Solar is oversold. 2 huge problems. Does not work well if you have a
cloudy week and at nights. Then you have to store the power to use it.

And that is before one gets to needing many acres of land to get a
meaningful quality. And by the way, using lots of plastics made from oil to
make the cells...funny.

Works good on poles and signs though. Just isn't going to scale up or power
a whole city.

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Canuck57 wrote:
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He's in a halfway house, hopefully on his way to a "fullway" house.
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I wouldn't hold my breath...those %^%& politicians are slippery
*******s. We would love to nail a former prime minister ( Ronnie Reagan
bum boy) up here, but with his Conservative party currently in
power....... he shucks & jives with the best of them.
Have you stopped and taken a look at why the Conservative party is in
power? You can bitch about all you want but, a majority of your fellow
citizens disagree with you.

Out choices were limited. Liberals just finished with a significant
corruption scandal. Now the conservatives too are up to it. There are
problems in only having one active branch of government, something the
forefounders of the US got real right. Must more aristocratic than the
US. The Canadian government is in essence a 5 year dictatorship if it is
not in a minority government situation.

The Canadian senate for example, appointed by the ruling party is a
geriatric yes fest. Not once in Canadian history has the Canadian senate
actually blocked a piece of legislation from eventually becoming law.
Totally ineffective and a waste of money. British parliamentary
hand-me-down with all the warts.

There is no congress. And our bill of rights is secular. I always
admired "We the people..." -- freaking insightful of the US founders.
Ours was drawn up by a drunken aristocrat.

Y'all should have joined with us in our efforts to kick the British out of
the north American continent, way back in the late 18th century.

No doubt in my mind. Not just the British though, don't forget France's
influence (Quebec).

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Solar, although getting better, is still less efficient than wind.

Eisboch

Solar is oversold. 2 huge problems. Does not work well if you have a
cloudy week and at nights. Then you have to store the power to use it.

And that is before one gets to needing many acres of land to get a
meaningful quality. And by the way, using lots of plastics made from oil
to make the cells...funny.


Plastic? Don't think so. State of the art cells are doped silicon (plenty
of that around) which are then further processed with protective and
conductive coatings. Recent advances in the optical assemblies that focus
more of the available sunlight onto the cells is one of the significant
reasons for improved efficiency. About 25 years ago solar cell efficiency
was, at best, 15 percent.
Today it's up to a mind boggling 18-20 percent. Long ways to go.

Solar and wind are still a long, long ways from being a viable energy
alternative to replace fossil fuel. The 100,000 megawatt capacity of the
nuclear plants currently operating in the US only supplies about 20 percent
of consummed power.
Solar and/or wind can't even be considered to make up the difference, let
alone replace oil and nuc altogether.

Eisboch

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 21:48:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


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On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:25:28 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



I don't know about that. There's nothing on the horizon to influence
it
that way. I'd like to hear your reasoning.

It's pretty simple - it's a huge commodity bubble. There is absoutely
nothing, and I mean nothing, to support these levels in any sense of
the word. It's too much money chasing too little profit - a sort of
currency inflation if you will. If I'm right, and I'm pretty sure I
am, economic data will provide the catalyst for the crash - sometime
around the middle to the end of July.

Hmmmmm..... It sounds like you are basically in agreement with Doug.
Did hell just freeze over?

Well, obviously - six inches of snow last night and no open water
anywhere. :)

I'd add this - out of control information flow is also a function of
this - anything will move the market. If somebody sneezes in Nigeria,
another $.50 to $1. Fog in the Houston shipping channel - another
$.50 to a $1. And it happens more and more often - issues that
wouldn't have affected the price 10 years ago, now can cause 1-2%
changes in price instantly.


Bingo. And, it works in the exact same way as when irrelevant financial
news causes nervous old ladies to sell their Toyota stock because Kroger
reported a bad quarter.

And we can blame the whole mess on some tulip lovers.

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:07:50 -0500, Eisboch wrote:



Solar and wind are still a long, long ways from being a viable energy
alternative to replace fossil fuel. The 100,000 megawatt capacity of
the nuclear plants currently operating in the US only supplies about 20
percent of consummed power.
Solar and/or wind can't even be considered to make up the difference,
let alone replace oil and nuc altogether.

I'm not sure about that. In this country, wind energy alone, accounts
for 13,000 megawatts, most installed in the last 5 years, and there are
estimates that wind alone, could provide twice our present energy needs.

Portugal expects 45% of their energy needs to be met by renewable energy
by 2015. Germany isn't far behind.

I don't think anyone expects *one* silver bullet. It's going to take
conservation, new technologies, and, perhaps, most importantly, a
comprehensive national energy policy, which this present administration
doesn't seem to have the stomach for. I'm not saying it will be easy,
but it can be done, and solar/wind should be part of the mix.

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On Mar 1, 6:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:01:04 -0500, Gene Kearns
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2) I don't mind ****ing off the Kennedy's, but geographically I hope
it is not cutting off one's nose to spite one's face (the studies say,
not). Wind is a good way to go, though, and I suspect that the project
will be approved this year and we may see a turbine in place in about
4 years....

http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...2920080228?fee...

Careful what you wish for.
Quite a few of those big wind towers have been errected here and people
close to the wind farms complain that the noise makes them
sick.http://www.ventdecolere.org/archives...y/nswind_e.htm

LOL..


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It figures you'd say "LOL" because you're completely at a loss to understand
the information presented.

Isn't it time for the captain's nightly licking, puppy boy?

Gene Kearns wrote:
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Gimme a brake..... I'm getting over the flue, it is a wonder I am even
coherent....

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Sorry to hear you've been sick, Gene. hope you get feeling better
quickly.

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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:01:04 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

2) I don't mind ****ing off the Kennedy's, but geographically I hope
it is not cutting off one's nose to spite one's face (the studies say,
not). Wind is a good way to go, though, and I suspect that the project
will be approved this year and we may see a turbine in place in about
4 years....

http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...2920080228?fee....

Careful what you wish for.
Quite a few of those big wind towers have been errected here and people
close to the wind farms complain that the noise makes them
sick.http://www.ventdecolere.org/archives...&low_frequency...

LOL..

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It figures you'd say "LOL" because you're completely at a loss to understand
the information presented.

Isn't it time for the captain's nightly licking, puppy boy?- Hide quoted text -

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You know the deal. Come here, sign a release, get in the ring, let me
videotape myself breaking your elbow over my leg... then you will have
my respect... Until then... well, you know....

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On Mar 1, 6:33 pm, "Don White" wrote:





"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:01:04 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

2) I don't mind ****ing off the Kennedy's, but geographically I hope
it is not cutting off one's nose to spite one's face (the studies say,
not). Wind is a good way to go, though, and I suspect that the project
will be approved this year and we may see a turbine in place in about
4 years....

http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...2920080228?fee...

Careful what you wish for.
Quite a few of those big wind towers have been errected here and people
close to the wind farms complain that the noise makes them
sick.http://www.ventdecolere.org/archives...&low_frequency...

LOL..

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It figures you'd say "LOL" because you're completely at a loss to
understand
the information presented.

Isn't it time for the captain's nightly licking, puppy boy?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

You know the deal. Come here, sign a release, get in the ring, let me
videotape myself breaking your elbow over my leg... then you will have
my respect... Until then... well, you know....

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Well, that certainly clarifies your knowledge of the wind farm issue.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
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Gimme a brake..... I'm getting over the flue, it is a wonder I am even
coherent....

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Sorry to hear you've been sick, Gene. hope you get feeling better
quickly.

Ditto.

This year's flu bug seems to be almost epidemic. From what Mrs.E. tells me,
most of our family are sick, half the company's employee's are sick, several
of her friends at the horse joint are sick and the schools are half filled
with kids who have either recovered or haven't been sick yet.

I wouldn't know first hand. I've holed myself up in a corner of the house
with enough food, water and dog bones for Sam Adams to last until the GB is
launched. No way am I going out "there" in a community filled with
diseases.

Eisboch