On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:56:14 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:37:36 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:50:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:31:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:23:55 -0500, HK wrote:

There were a few questions a couple of weeks ago about umbrella rigs.

Here's a commercial webpage that shows a variety of umbrella rigs, their
components, variations, et cetera.

http://www.cnksal****ertackle.com/home.html
tandem rigs with parachutes or bucktails. Only way to go.

Of course, if you did more than 'drift fishing' within twelve feet of the
marina, you'd know that.
I single rig parachute rigs - very seldom use the spreaders although I
have a full set of them from 6 inch to 24 inch and in several
configurations.
Have you ever tried tandem parachute rigs? In the MD portion of the bay, no
more than two hooked lures can be used on one line. A tandem rig allows the
use of two lures.

I'd not try a Robalo on a tandem, as Harry suggested, because the Robalos
move around way too much. You'd have one tangled mess before the lures were
20 yards from the boat.


I wouldn't put a Robalo on a tandem, either. Far too heavy for striper
trolling. I use a Rapala.

And I didn't say a tandem rig. I said hooked in tandem to a three way
swivel. Works fine, no tangles. The Rapala goes deep and pulls the soft
plastic down, but both baits stay away from each other. I troll two such
lines successfully, and have caught stripers on the Rapala and on the
soft plastic. No need for heavy line, either.

There's the smart way...and then there is the army way.

Harry, I don't believe you.

I say that because of your dismal history.

And because you are always telling us how you *don't* troll (except here,
of course).

You're just too easy, Harry.


I'll tell you, Mr. Swallow, I don't give a crap what you believe or
don't believe. It doesn't matter to me or the rest of the world.

I don't like to troll for fish very often, not in the Bay, at least.
It's too mindless of an activity for me. But I sure it suits you just fine.

Just because I don't have much use for striper trolling doesn't mean I
don't know how to do it.

So why do you continue to ask?

" On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:24:22 -0500, HK wrote:

So, what makes you decide to swallow instead of spit? Personal hygiene?
Orders?"

Harry, when you say, " I troll two such lines successfully, and have caught
stripers on the Rapala and on the soft plastic," one could assume that you
were saying you troll. Of course, that can't be right because you've said
for years that you *don't* troll.

Is it just more expedient to lie as you go along?

You are far too easy.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:56:14 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:37:36 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:50:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:31:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:23:55 -0500, HK wrote:

There were a few questions a couple of weeks ago about umbrella rigs.

Here's a commercial webpage that shows a variety of umbrella rigs, their
components, variations, et cetera.

http://www.cnksal****ertackle.com/home.html
tandem rigs with parachutes or bucktails. Only way to go.

Of course, if you did more than 'drift fishing' within twelve feet of the
marina, you'd know that.
I single rig parachute rigs - very seldom use the spreaders although I
have a full set of them from 6 inch to 24 inch and in several
configurations.
Have you ever tried tandem parachute rigs? In the MD portion of the bay, no
more than two hooked lures can be used on one line. A tandem rig allows the
use of two lures.

I'd not try a Robalo on a tandem, as Harry suggested, because the Robalos
move around way too much. You'd have one tangled mess before the lures were
20 yards from the boat.

I wouldn't put a Robalo on a tandem, either. Far too heavy for striper
trolling. I use a Rapala.

And I didn't say a tandem rig. I said hooked in tandem to a three way
swivel. Works fine, no tangles. The Rapala goes deep and pulls the soft
plastic down, but both baits stay away from each other. I troll two such
lines successfully, and have caught stripers on the Rapala and on the
soft plastic. No need for heavy line, either.

There's the smart way...and then there is the army way.
Harry, I don't believe you.

I say that because of your dismal history.

And because you are always telling us how you *don't* troll (except here,
of course).

You're just too easy, Harry.

I'll tell you, Mr. Swallow, I don't give a crap what you believe or
don't believe. It doesn't matter to me or the rest of the world.

I don't like to troll for fish very often, not in the Bay, at least.
It's too mindless of an activity for me. But I sure it suits you just fine.

Just because I don't have much use for striper trolling doesn't mean I
don't know how to do it.

So why do you continue to ask?

" On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:24:22 -0500, HK wrote:

So, what makes you decide to swallow instead of spit? Personal hygiene?
Orders?"

Harry, when you say, " I troll two such lines successfully, and have caught
stripers on the Rapala and on the soft plastic," one could assume that you
were saying you troll. Of course, that can't be right because you've said
for years that you *don't* troll.

Is it just more expedient to lie as you go along?

You are far too easy.


One more time, stupid. Trolling in the bay is not one of my favorite
activities, but I do engage it in occasionally.

Now, are you spitting or swallowing?

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:33:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, it is going to be fun watching your false teeth bounce out of your
big mouth this summer, when you run your "too small for the Bay" fishing
boat against the hard chop. Better wear a neck brace, too.

Isn't John's boat about the same size as your ocean going, all weather
LTP ?

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:33:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, it is going to be fun watching your false teeth bounce out of your
big mouth this summer, when you run your "too small for the Bay" fishing
boat against the hard chop. Better wear a neck brace, too.

Isn't John's boat about the same size as your ocean going, all weather
LTP ?


Nope. John's new boat would fit inside mine. My Parker is only 21' long,
but if you put the two boats next to each other, mine looks like a
battleship and his looks about the size and configuration of my old Sea
Pro. Remember, I owned several boats that exact size. The Parker has a
much higher bow, higher sides, more deadrise and, importantly in a small
boat, it weighs at least a half ton more.

BTW, the center part of my transom is exactly the same height as the one
on Herring's boat...about 25 inches. The sides of the transom on my boat
are much higher. The motorwells on most small boats are next to useless
in stopping an onflow from the stern. What matters is the boat's ability
to drain fast.

How would I know this? Why...my last Sea Pro had a motorwell about the
size of the one on Herring's new boat. When a large stern wave wants to
come aboard, it does...it simply fills up the little well and then fluid
dynamics help the rest of the water aboard.

I had a lot of fun with my Sea Pro on the Bay, but not when it was choppy.

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:59:00 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:56:14 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:37:36 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:50:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:31:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:23:55 -0500, HK wrote:

There were a few questions a couple of weeks ago about umbrella rigs.

Here's a commercial webpage that shows a variety of umbrella rigs, their
components, variations, et cetera.

http://www.cnksal****ertackle.com/home.html
tandem rigs with parachutes or bucktails. Only way to go.

Of course, if you did more than 'drift fishing' within twelve feet of the
marina, you'd know that.
I single rig parachute rigs - very seldom use the spreaders although I
have a full set of them from 6 inch to 24 inch and in several
configurations.
Have you ever tried tandem parachute rigs? In the MD portion of the bay, no
more than two hooked lures can be used on one line. A tandem rig allows the
use of two lures.

I'd not try a Robalo on a tandem, as Harry suggested, because the Robalos
move around way too much. You'd have one tangled mess before the lures were
20 yards from the boat.

I wouldn't put a Robalo on a tandem, either. Far too heavy for striper
trolling. I use a Rapala.

And I didn't say a tandem rig. I said hooked in tandem to a three way
swivel. Works fine, no tangles. The Rapala goes deep and pulls the soft
plastic down, but both baits stay away from each other. I troll two such
lines successfully, and have caught stripers on the Rapala and on the
soft plastic. No need for heavy line, either.

There's the smart way...and then there is the army way.
Harry, I don't believe you.

I say that because of your dismal history.

And because you are always telling us how you *don't* troll (except here,
of course).

You're just too easy, Harry.

I'll tell you, Mr. Swallow, I don't give a crap what you believe or
don't believe. It doesn't matter to me or the rest of the world.

I don't like to troll for fish very often, not in the Bay, at least.
It's too mindless of an activity for me. But I sure it suits you just fine.

Just because I don't have much use for striper trolling doesn't mean I
don't know how to do it.

So why do you continue to ask?

" On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:24:22 -0500, HK wrote:

So, what makes you decide to swallow instead of spit? Personal hygiene?
Orders?"

Harry, when you say, " I troll two such lines successfully, and have caught
stripers on the Rapala and on the soft plastic," one could assume that you
were saying you troll. Of course, that can't be right because you've said
for years that you *don't* troll.

Is it just more expedient to lie as you go along?

You are far too easy.


One more time, stupid. Trolling in the bay is not one of my favorite
activities, but I do engage it in occasionally.

Now, are you spitting or swallowing?

Are your pants afire?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:29:18 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:33:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, it is going to be fun watching your false teeth bounce out of your
big mouth this summer, when you run your "too small for the Bay" fishing
boat against the hard chop. Better wear a neck brace, too.

Isn't John's boat about the same size as your ocean going, all weather
LTP ?


Nope. John's new boat would fit inside mine. My Parker is only 21' long,
but if you put the two boats next to each other, mine looks like a
battleship and his looks about the size and configuration of my old Sea
Pro. Remember, I owned several boats that exact size. The Parker has a
much higher bow, higher sides, more deadrise and, importantly in a small
boat, it weighs at least a half ton more.

BTW, the center part of my transom is exactly the same height as the one
on Herring's boat...about 25 inches. The sides of the transom on my boat
are much higher. The motorwells on most small boats are next to useless
in stopping an onflow from the stern. What matters is the boat's ability
to drain fast.

How would I know this? Why...my last Sea Pro had a motorwell about the
size of the one on Herring's new boat. When a large stern wave wants to
come aboard, it does...it simply fills up the little well and then fluid
dynamics help the rest of the water aboard.

I had a lot of fun with my Sea Pro on the Bay, but not when it was choppy.

I'm sure that 21'er is much closer to 30'. Hell, your 25'er was about 34',
no?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:29:18 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:33:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Oh, it is going to be fun watching your false teeth bounce out of your
big mouth this summer, when you run your "too small for the Bay" fishing
boat against the hard chop. Better wear a neck brace, too.
Isn't John's boat about the same size as your ocean going, all weather
LTP ?

Nope. John's new boat would fit inside mine. My Parker is only 21' long,
but if you put the two boats next to each other, mine looks like a
battleship and his looks about the size and configuration of my old Sea
Pro. Remember, I owned several boats that exact size. The Parker has a
much higher bow, higher sides, more deadrise and, importantly in a small
boat, it weighs at least a half ton more.

BTW, the center part of my transom is exactly the same height as the one
on Herring's boat...about 25 inches. The sides of the transom on my boat
are much higher. The motorwells on most small boats are next to useless
in stopping an onflow from the stern. What matters is the boat's ability
to drain fast.

How would I know this? Why...my last Sea Pro had a motorwell about the
size of the one on Herring's new boat. When a large stern wave wants to
come aboard, it does...it simply fills up the little well and then fluid
dynamics help the rest of the water aboard.

I had a lot of fun with my Sea Pro on the Bay, but not when it was choppy.

I'm sure that 21'er is much closer to 30'. Hell, your 25'er was about 34',
no?


The 25' Parker I had was 25' from the bow to the stern, excluding the
pulpit and the motor bracket. If memory serves, the motor bracket
extended off the transom about 30 inches, give or take, and the pulpit
was at least 24" out from the bow. I'd guess the 25-footer was really
about 31' long excluding the motor. if you consider the pulpit and
bracket. If you add in the motor, the damn thing was about 33' from the
front of the pulpit to the back of the motor.

The 21-footer has no pulpit or bracket. It is 21' long x 8'6" at its
widest point. The bare hull weighs 2800 pounds, and the deadrise at the
transom is 21 degrees. The fuel tank holds 100 gallons, for another
nearly 700 pounds of mass when full.

Your new boat is 18'6" long x 8' wide at its widest point. Your bare
hull according to the manufacturer's web sire is 1650 pounds, and the
deadrise is 19 degrees. I believe your fuel tank holds 40 gallons, for
another 280 pounds of mass when full.

Additionally, the Parker is substantially larger and deeper at the bow
and throughout the boat.

As I stated, your new boat will easily fit inside my Parker.

Nothing wrong with smaller boats. I've certainly had my fun in them. But
my old SeaPro was about the same dimensions as your new boat, and I know
for damned sure that even the slightest chop was something to consider.
Boat weight helps out there. If you frequent the mid-Bay, you will find
out.

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:21:03 -0500, HK wrote:

snipped.

Did you honestly expect me to read all that? I've already admitted that
your 21'er is *at least* twelve feet longer than my 18'er.

What more do you want?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:29:18 -0500, HK wrote:

I had a lot of fun with my Sea Pro on the Bay, but not when it was choppy.

Yes. Skipper was always *very* concerned about its sea keeping
abilities.

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:21:03 -0500, HK wrote:

Nothing wrong with smaller boats. I've certainly had my fun in them.

Absolutely right, both John's boat and yours would make pretty good
yacht tenders.