On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:21:15 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) If you are in CT waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2 weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.


I think PWC operators should be required to have a bachelor's degree in
Engineering with a concentration in Fluid Dynamics.

There'd probably be fewer of them, but they'd be a smart bunch.
--
John H

On Feb 18, 7:21*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:





On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
* * My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and *do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
* * Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. *USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. *Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. *For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) *If you are in CT waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2 weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you trying to say you can rent a boat and drive it in CT for up to
two weeks if you don't have a cert. Cause if that is what you are
saying, I suggest you are way wrong. That is one of the reasons
Chimney Point rentals went out, cause everyone driving a boat here
needs a cert... Period..

On Feb 18, 8:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:05:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:21*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
* * My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and *do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
* * Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. *USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. *Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. *For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) *If you are in CT waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2 weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you trying to say you can rent a boat and drive it in CT for up to
two weeks if you don't have a cert. Cause if that is what you are
saying, I suggest you are way wrong. That is one of the reasons
Chimney Point rentals went out, cause everyone driving a boat here
needs a cert... Period..

Sec 15-140e-4 *Exemption for operators of rental vessels

http://www.ct.gov/dep/lib/dep/regulations/15/15-140e-4through15-140v-...

Period!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

well, the page won't load for some reason but I suppose it is what you
say. All I can say is WOW, I never knew that, was it in the origional
law or redone later??

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:23:43 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 18, 8:18 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:05:57 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:21 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you
have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out
says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation
which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety,
speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a
local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any
means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes,
ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires
slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating
Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) If you are in CT
waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe
boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2
weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert
no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you trying to say you can rent a boat and drive it in CT for up to
two weeks if you don't have a cert. Cause if that is what you are
saying, I suggest you are way wrong. That is one of the reasons
Chimney Point rentals went out, cause everyone driving a boat here
needs a cert... Period..

Sec 15-140e-4 Exemption for operators of rental vessels

http://www.ct.gov/dep/lib/dep/regulations/15/15-140e-4through15-140v-...

Period!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

well, the page won't load for some reason but I suppose it is what you
say. All I can say is WOW, I never knew that, was it in the origional
law or redone later??

The page is a .pdf file. You must not have the free adobe acrobat reader
installed on your computer. You might want to get the reader, as that is
how all
the downloads for tax forms for state and federal are provided these days.
If
you go to the "publications and forms" part of the IRS website there is a
link
to download the free reader.

It was an addition to the law, dated 2004. I would have cut and pasted the
text,
but that doesn't work with PDF files.

There is a problem with the link you posted. Probably truncated when copied
and pasted.

You can copy and paste from pdf files, sometimes the formatting gets a
little hosed. Below is a short passage from my Buick manual.

Q: If I am a good driver, and I never drive far from

home, why should I wear safety belts?

A: You may be an excellent driver, but if you are in an

accident - even one that is not your fault - you

and your passengers can be hurt. Being a good

driver does not protect you from things beyond

your control, such as bad drivers.

Most accidents occur within 25 miles (40 km)

of home. And the greatest number of serious

injuries and deaths occur at speeds of less than

40 mph (65 km/h).

Safety belts are for everyone.

On Feb 18, 9:09*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:49:14 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:23:43 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 18, 8:18 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:05:57 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:21 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you
have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out
says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation
which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety,
speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a
local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any
means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:09:51 -0500, wrote:

Usually not true. PDF pages are essentially images, not free, editable text. You
would need the full version of acrobat, not the free reader to do anything with
the text in the PDF to which I posted the link.

You might be surprised.

Do a "right click" on the document and "select all". Paste to a
notepad file, and select out what you want:

===========
Sec. 15-140e-4. Exemption for operators of rental vessels.
Any operator of a vessel rented for a period of fourteen days or less
from a person or organization engaged in the business of commercial
rental of vessels, who claims exemption from safe boating certificate
requirements pursuant to subsection (d) of Section 15-140e of the
Connecticut General Statutes, shall carry on board such vessel the
original or a copy of the written agreement for such rental stating
the period of such rental and the identity of the lessee. Any such
operator shall produce such rental agreement upon demand of any
enforcement officer identified in Section 15-154 of the Connecticut
General Statutes.
[March 9, 2004 (Secretary of State File Number (SOSFN): 5496)]
=============

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:19:03 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:09:51 -0500, wrote:

Usually not true. PDF pages are essentially images, not free, editable
text. You
would need the full version of acrobat, not the free reader to do
anything with
the text in the PDF to which I posted the link.

You might be surprised.

Do a "right click" on the document and "select all". Paste to a
notepad file, and select out what you want:


It wasn't working on my home computer. I (incorrectly) assumed that the
pages
were simply image scans of pages, which are really "pictures" and not
editable.
That is sometimes the case.
I was using version 5 of Acrobat Reader. I upgraded to version 8 and those
pages
are now editable.


You can't "edit" the pdf files with Acrobat Reader, but you can copy/paste.

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:18 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:19:03 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:09:51 -0500, wrote:

Usually not true. PDF pages are essentially images, not free, editable
text. You
would need the full version of acrobat, not the free reader to do
anything with
the text in the PDF to which I posted the link.
You might be surprised.

Do a "right click" on the document and "select all". Paste to a
notepad file, and select out what you want:

It wasn't working on my home computer. I (incorrectly) assumed that the
pages
were simply image scans of pages, which are really "pictures" and not
editable.
That is sometimes the case.
I was using version 5 of Acrobat Reader. I upgraded to version 8 and those
pages
are now editable.

You can't "edit" the pdf files with Acrobat Reader, but you can copy/paste.


I think your corset may be laced up a bit too tightly.




Why don't you explain to us how you *edit* .PDF files with "Reader."

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:19:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:09:51 -0500, wrote:

Usually not true. PDF pages are essentially images, not free, editable text. You
would need the full version of acrobat, not the free reader to do anything with
the text in the PDF to which I posted the link.
You might be surprised.

Do a "right click" on the document and "select all". Paste to a
notepad file, and select out what you want:


It wasn't working on my home computer. I (incorrectly) assumed that the pages
were simply image scans of pages, which are really "pictures" and not editable.
That is sometimes the case.
I was using version 5 of Acrobat Reader. I upgraded to version 8 and those pages
are now editable.


No, they are not. You can copy and paste, but you cannot edit a *.PDF
document with Adobe Reader.