On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:09:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:11:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

A friend of mine just purchased a Fortier 33 with Volvo diesels

Nice boats, very salty and functional.

From what I've seen of it, it is very nice.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:26:21 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 12, 7:00?pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Kinda ****ed me off, but there's really nothing
that can be done about it. ?In a boat sale, the buyer holds all the cards
... ?the seller just has to adjust.

That's not completely true. ?If the purchase agreement is properly
worded, and the terms breached, you can walk with the deposit.
A subtle suggestion or two of that possibility could do wonders to
expedite the closing.

But, isn't it interesting that the typical 10 percent deposit just happens
to cover the broker's commission?

Most agreements split the forfeited deposit between the broker and the
seller, up to the amount that would have been due the broker had the
sale gone through.

What? You're kidding.

Why the heck should the broker get any money for a failed sale?

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:26:21 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 12, 7:00?pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Kinda ****ed me off, but there's really nothing
that can be done about it. ?In a boat sale, the buyer holds all the cards
... ?the seller just has to adjust.
That's not completely true. ?If the purchase agreement is properly
worded, and the terms breached, you can walk with the deposit.
A subtle suggestion or two of that possibility could do wonders to
expedite the closing.
But, isn't it interesting that the typical 10 percent deposit just happens
to cover the broker's commission?
Most agreements split the forfeited deposit between the broker and the
seller, up to the amount that would have been due the broker had the
sale gone through.

What? You're kidding.

Why the heck should the broker get any money for a failed sale?

Because he provided the contract that everyone signed. I wonder what
the broker would say if you could drafted your own contract that would
leave the broker out of the loop if the sale fell apart.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Last night, Mrs. Wave and me discussed the whole boat situation. The
upshot is that she would rather fly or drive to places she wants to go
rather than go via boat.


Smart woman. Most of the time, we don't want to waste time off from work
getting to a place when what we want to do is *get* to the place. If we
want to be lazing on a warm, sunny beach, we want to be at that beach,
not slogging through the ocean for days and days getting to that beach.

Listen to Mrs. Wave. She sounds a lot smarter than you are. :-

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:26:21 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 12, 7:00?pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Kinda ****ed me off, but there's really nothing
that can be done about it. ?In a boat sale, the buyer holds all the cards
... ?the seller just has to adjust.
That's not completely true. ?If the purchase agreement is properly
worded, and the terms breached, you can walk with the deposit.
A subtle suggestion or two of that possibility could do wonders to
expedite the closing.
But, isn't it interesting that the typical 10 percent deposit just happens
to cover the broker's commission?
Most agreements split the forfeited deposit between the broker and the
seller, up to the amount that would have been due the broker had the
sale gone through.

What? You're kidding.

Why the heck should the broker get any money for a failed sale?


Chuckie's Law?

I avoided broker's fees when I sold Yo Ho last summer. I made an
arrangement with the dealer to handle all the paperwork for a fixed fee,
which we negotiated. We agreed the fee would double if the dealer found
the buyer. Even at that, it would have been half the price a broker
would have charged. As it turned out, I found the buyer, who came up to
the dealership, examined the boat and the service records, and made the
purchase. The dealer did his job properly, and the next morning, the new
buyer was towing Yo Ho to her new home.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:26:21 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 12, 7:00?pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Kinda ****ed me off, but there's really nothing
that can be done about it. ?In a boat sale, the buyer holds all the
cards
... ?the seller just has to adjust.

That's not completely true. ?If the purchase agreement is properly
worded, and the terms breached, you can walk with the deposit.
A subtle suggestion or two of that possibility could do wonders to
expedite the closing.

But, isn't it interesting that the typical 10 percent deposit just
happens
to cover the broker's commission?

Most agreements split the forfeited deposit between the broker and the
seller, up to the amount that would have been due the broker had the
sale gone through.

What? You're kidding.

Why the heck should the broker get any money for a failed sale?



"Expenses". I don't know because I didn't bother to ask. All I know was
that last week the buyer "released" the deposit but we didn't get any money.

Eisboch

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:04:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:12:53 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Last night, Mrs. Wave and me discussed the whole boat situation. The
upshot is that she would rather fly or drive to places she wants to go
rather than go via boat.

Hmm, sounds like someone else we know. Of course if I had an LTP I
wouldn't go anywhere with it either.

I believe her subtle point was that she's not retiring any time soon
and that is that. :)

I think she's gotten way too used to me doing the house work, making
dinner and doing the laundry leaving her entirely free to pursue her
professional interests.

I think it's time for a strike.

Or Unionize.

STRIKE - STRIKE - STRIKE!!

Invite Harry up for a couple weeks. He'll get you all organized, lower the
amount of work you must do, get you a big increase in bait money, and
convince Mrs W not to shove your lazy ass to another country.
--
John H

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:57:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:04:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:12:53 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Last night, Mrs. Wave and me discussed the whole boat situation. The
upshot is that she would rather fly or drive to places she wants to go
rather than go via boat.

Hmm, sounds like someone else we know. Of course if I had an LTP I
wouldn't go anywhere with it either.

I believe her subtle point was that she's not retiring any time soon
and that is that. :)

I think she's gotten way too used to me doing the house work, making
dinner and doing the laundry leaving her entirely free to pursue her
professional interests.

I think it's time for a strike.

Or Unionize.

STRIKE - STRIKE - STRIKE!!

Invite Harry up for a couple weeks. He'll get you all organized, lower the
amount of work you must do, get you a big increase in bait money, and
convince Mrs W not to shove your lazy ass to another country.

Heh - a few years ago, Mrs. Wave was involved in her Union negotiating
committee which was negotiating the contracts for the three Unions
that worked for the Union she is part of.

There has got to be something wrong if the Union has unions working
for it. :)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:57:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:04:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:12:53 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Last night, Mrs. Wave and me discussed the whole boat situation. The
upshot is that she would rather fly or drive to places she wants to go
rather than go via boat.
Hmm, sounds like someone else we know. Of course if I had an LTP I
wouldn't go anywhere with it either.
I believe her subtle point was that she's not retiring any time soon
and that is that. :)

I think she's gotten way too used to me doing the house work, making
dinner and doing the laundry leaving her entirely free to pursue her
professional interests.

I think it's time for a strike.

Or Unionize.

STRIKE - STRIKE - STRIKE!!
Invite Harry up for a couple weeks. He'll get you all organized, lower the
amount of work you must do, get you a big increase in bait money, and
convince Mrs W not to shove your lazy ass to another country.

Heh - a few years ago, Mrs. Wave was involved in her Union negotiating
committee which was negotiating the contracts for the three Unions
that worked for the Union she is part of.

There has got to be something wrong if the Union has unions working
for it. :)


Absurd. When I worked for the teachers' union, we had several staff
unions, including one that went out on strike just before the start of
the fall public school semester. Most of the unions with which I have
consulted over the years have staff unions. Most non-exempt union
employees are members of bargaining units, and some of these bargaining
units are affiliated with the OP, aka http://www.opeiu.org/

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:02:07 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:57:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:04:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:12:53 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Last night, Mrs. Wave and me discussed the whole boat situation. The
upshot is that she would rather fly or drive to places she wants to go
rather than go via boat.
Hmm, sounds like someone else we know. Of course if I had an LTP I
wouldn't go anywhere with it either.
I believe her subtle point was that she's not retiring any time soon
and that is that. :)

I think she's gotten way too used to me doing the house work, making
dinner and doing the laundry leaving her entirely free to pursue her
professional interests.

I think it's time for a strike.

Or Unionize.

STRIKE - STRIKE - STRIKE!!
Invite Harry up for a couple weeks. He'll get you all organized, lower the
amount of work you must do, get you a big increase in bait money, and
convince Mrs W not to shove your lazy ass to another country.

Heh - a few years ago, Mrs. Wave was involved in her Union negotiating
committee which was negotiating the contracts for the three Unions
that worked for the Union she is part of.

There has got to be something wrong if the Union has unions working
for it. :)

Absurd. When I worked for the teachers' union, we had several staff
unions, including one that went out on strike just before the start of
the fall public school semester. Most of the unions with which I have
consulted over the years have staff unions. Most non-exempt union
employees are members of bargaining units, and some of these bargaining
units are affiliated with the OP, aka http://www.opeiu.org/

When did you work for the NEA?