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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:06:06 -0800, Chuck Gould wrote:


Compare the average level of educational achievement on, say, the left
coast with the average education in customarily red states like
Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri. Then reevaluate. Thanks.

It's worse than that:

http://www.thebluestate.com/2005/10/...06_smarte.html

Note, the 21 states that spend the least on education, are all red.



I always get a kick out of the rationalization that education (or money
spent on it) automatically implies"smartness" in people.
There's a lot of stupid people with years of advanced degrees, just as there
are many "smart" people with limited education.

Eisboch

On Feb 10, 9:15�am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:06:06 -0800, Chuck Gould wrote:

Compare the average level of educational achievement on, say, the left
coast with the average education in customarily red states like
Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri. Then reevaluate. Thanks.

It's worse than that:

http://www.thebluestate.com/2005/10/...06_smarte.html

Note, the 21 states that spend the least on education, are all red.

I always get a kick out of the rationalization that education (or money
spent on it) �automatically implies"smartness" in people.
There's a lot of stupid people with years of advanced degrees, just as there
are many "smart" people with limited education.

Eisboch

I agree with you entirely.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:07:15 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 10, 9:15?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:06:06 -0800, Chuck Gould wrote:

Compare the average level of educational achievement on, say, the left
coast with the average education in customarily red states like
Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri. Then reevaluate. Thanks.

It's worse than that:

http://www.thebluestate.com/2005/10/...06_smarte.html

Note, the 21 states that spend the least on education, are all red.

I always get a kick out of the rationalization that education (or money
spent on it) ?automatically implies"smartness" in people.
There's a lot of stupid people with years of advanced degrees, just as there
are many "smart" people with limited education.

Eisboch

I agree with you entirely.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
--
John H

On Feb 10, 12:06�pm, John H.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
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Then according to your theory, the states with the greatest numbers of
Republicans will be those states with the most successful and
comprehensive educational systems. By the same token, the states with
the smallest number of Republicans will be those states where the
Democrats have succeeded on destroying the education system and
thereby protecting their base.

Care to offer some examples? Half a dozen or so of each would be
sufficient to establish a trend, rather than an exception.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:23:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 10, 12:06?pm, John H.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
--

Then according to your theory, the states with the greatest numbers of
Republicans will be those states with the most successful and
comprehensive educational systems. By the same token, the states with
the smallest number of Republicans will be those states where the
Democrats have succeeded on destroying the education system and
thereby protecting their base.

Care to offer some examples? Half a dozen or so of each would be
sufficient to establish a trend, rather than an exception.



Education isn't a statewide function anywhere that I know of. It's a county
or city function normally.

How do Los Angeles, New York City, and Washington DC do for areas where the
base is protected?
--
John H

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:16:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:23:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 10, 12:06?pm, John H.
The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.
Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
--
Then according to your theory, the states with the greatest numbers of
Republicans will be those states with the most successful and
comprehensive educational systems. By the same token, the states with
the smallest number of Republicans will be those states where the
Democrats have succeeded on destroying the education system and
thereby protecting their base.

Care to offer some examples? Half a dozen or so of each would be
sufficient to establish a trend, rather than an exception.


Education isn't a statewide function anywhere that I know of. It's a county
or city function normally.

Unbelievable.

And you used to teach? Who certified you - Wal-Mart?


Herring worked as a substitute teacher. The qualifications for a
substitute teacher in Alexandra, Virginia, where Herring lives, are minimal:

* at least 60 hours of college coursework
* evidence of a negative tuberculin test (or chest x-ray)
* a completed online application
* attend an orientation session (see below)
* criminal background check — at the orientation session, you will
schedule an appointment to return for fingerprinting (the cost to the
applicant is $42)

That's it. No certification. Any idiot can sub teach. That would include
Herring.

The Virginia Department of Education is intimately involved in
educational programming and standards in that state.

You may recall that while he worked as a sub, Herring whined extensively
and repeatedly about the students placed in his charge. These were
mainly minority kids, if memory serves. He was unable to motivate them,
as a properly trained teacher might. Perhaps they didn't respond to his
"Army" ways.

Herring has also had problems with the Latinos living down the street
from him.

HK wrote:


Herring has also had problems with the Latinos living down the street
from him.
Harry,
I don't believe I have seen anyone use an minority group as an insult
except for you.

Why in the world would you use the word gay as an insult, unless you
really believed that would be insulting? What do you believe is wrong
with gays that you would ever call someone a gay loser?

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:06:15 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:16:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:23:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 10, 12:06?pm, John H.
The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.
Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
--
Then according to your theory, the states with the greatest numbers of
Republicans will be those states with the most successful and
comprehensive educational systems. By the same token, the states with
the smallest number of Republicans will be those states where the
Democrats have succeeded on destroying the education system and
thereby protecting their base.

Care to offer some examples? Half a dozen or so of each would be
sufficient to establish a trend, rather than an exception.


Education isn't a statewide function anywhere that I know of. It's a county
or city function normally.

Unbelievable.

And you used to teach? Who certified you - Wal-Mart?


Herring worked as a substitute teacher. The qualifications for a
substitute teacher in Alexandra, Virginia, where Herring lives, are minimal:

* at least 60 hours of college coursework
* evidence of a negative tuberculin test (or chest x-ray)
* a completed online application
* attend an orientation session (see below)
* criminal background check — at the orientation session, you will
schedule an appointment to return for fingerprinting (the cost to the
applicant is $42)

That's it. No certification. Any idiot can sub teach. That would include
Herring.

The Virginia Department of Education is intimately involved in
educational programming and standards in that state.

You may recall that while he worked as a sub, Herring whined extensively
and repeatedly about the students placed in his charge. These were
mainly minority kids, if memory serves. He was unable to motivate them,
as a properly trained teacher might. Perhaps they didn't respond to his
"Army" ways.

Herring has also had problems with the Latinos living down the street
from him.

Such vitriol!

Harry, I taught for ten years before my first day as a sub.
--
John H

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:06:15 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:16:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:23:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 10, 12:06?pm, John H.
The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.
Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
--
Then according to your theory, the states with the greatest numbers of
Republicans will be those states with the most successful and
comprehensive educational systems. By the same token, the states with
the smallest number of Republicans will be those states where the
Democrats have succeeded on destroying the education system and
thereby protecting their base.

Care to offer some examples? Half a dozen or so of each would be
sufficient to establish a trend, rather than an exception.


Education isn't a statewide function anywhere that I know of. It's a county
or city function normally.
Unbelievable.

And you used to teach? Who certified you - Wal-Mart?

Herring worked as a substitute teacher. The qualifications for a
substitute teacher in Alexandra, Virginia, where Herring lives, are minimal:

* at least 60 hours of college coursework
* evidence of a negative tuberculin test (or chest x-ray)
* a completed online application
* attend an orientation session (see below)
* criminal background check — at the orientation session, you will
schedule an appointment to return for fingerprinting (the cost to the
applicant is $42)

Subs here in CT are required to have a four year degree, have to pass
a teaching methods course and the usual fingerprint checks, etc.

Teacher Aides have to have a two year degree Middle school and up
unless - at the Elementary level it's not required.



Virginia is part of the South.


Did you get my note about your possibly "lunch-by"? This coming weekend
is fine, but I will be gone the weekend of the 23rd.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:25:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Subs here in CT are required to have a four year degree, have to pass
a teaching methods course and the usual fingerprint checks, etc.

Teacher Aides have to have a two year degree Middle school and up
unless - at the Elementary level it's not required.

With a few exceptions, right?

"Substitute Teaching
Substitute positions are ideal for college students since they offer the
flexibility to accept assignments that do not conflict with your schedule
of classes. You gain the opportunity to network with professionals in the
field of education and learn valuable job skills as you supplement your
income. The current rates of pay for substitute teachers are $62.00 per day
for the first 15 days assigned as a sub teacher with an increase in rate to
$70.00 per day after 15 days of teacher subbing in the district. The hourly
rate for substitute teacher aides is $7.25 and for cafeteria workers is
$8.25. Substitute crossing guards earn $7.25 per hour.

The Connecticut State Department of Educations now issues authorizations
for college students who do not yet hold a Bachelor's degree to serve as
substitute teachers? The request for such authorization must be initiated
by the school district. Windham Public Schools encourages ECSU, UCONN, and
QVCC students, particularly education majors interested in gaining valuable
classroom experience, to pursue this option. To apply for authorization to
work as a substitute teacher, the applicant must complete an ED-174 form,
"Application for Substitute Teacher Authorization for Candidates who have
not completed a Bachelor's degree". The application packet must be returned
to the Personnel Office and must be submitted by the school district on
behalf of the applicant. Processing by the Bureau of Certification takes an
average of 2-6 weeks. In the interim, applicants who are awaiting this
special authorization may serve in the capacity of a substitute teacher
aide. This allows a period of time to observe normal classroom activities
under the direction of a certified teacher prior to accepting an assignment
as a substitute teacher who must assume full charge of a classroom."

http://www.windham.k12.ct.us/DSS_Web...l/Policies.htm

Note that I didn't look very hard to find this.

If a teacher calls in sick, and a sub is needed for that class, is that
one-day sub required to have a four year degree and pass the teaching
course? Or, is it a requirement for a 'long term' sub?

I can see that CT would have a big problem getting subs for teachers who
get sick for a day.
--
John H