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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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And yet, Bush never went after the country from which most of the 9/11
thugs originated. Do you find anything wrong with that at all???


Yes. And in time that will have to be addressed. To do so now would
dry up our oil supply, a fact that cannot be ignored. You can't have
national security with no oil at the moment.

Eisboch



You said "now". That means there is a "when", when we *can* go after that
country. I figure we have at least 50 years before our dependence on oil
will lessen. That's a long time to allow an enemy to get away with
attacking us.

What do you think?


I think we could be held hostage for oil way before then (we already are,
ergo the "suck up" by several recent administrations to the Saudis). We
need to get busy now, before our national security is at risk.
I don't care about fuel for cars or boats. We need the ability to defend
ourselves and others who rely upon us to do so. It's happening, finally.

Eisboch



We could've "owned" Saudi Arabia as easily as we "owned" Iraq. Probably
easier, since it would've been totally unexpected. And, we have little or no
concern for what the rest of the world thinks, so that's not a factor at
all.

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Eisboch wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat to
the USA,
--
John H

No, but the royal family looks the other way while terrorists organize and
train in their country.
We love Saudi Arabia for their oil. They tolerate us because we buy a lot
of it and keep them equipped with weapons.

Watch what happens if and when we don't need their oil.

Eisboch




Right after 9-11, Bush awoke from his coma and was told a bunch of
Saudis attacked. He spun around his world globe, stuck his thumb on
Iraq, and said, "attack those damn Saudis."

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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:22:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:07:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:21:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for. There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That
leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.


What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the
Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H


"Mr. Ambassador, remember the 20-30 pages of information hidden from the
9/11 commission? The information which would've made it clear that we
should've invaded your country, instead of the wrong one? Would you like
that information released to the press?"

"Now, let's talk about the price of oil, shall we?"


Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat
to
the USA,
--
John H


Really? Two questions:

1) Where did most of the 9/11 thugs come from?

2) Where do 60% of foreign fighters come from in Iraq?


WMD are a threat to the USA, not individual terrorists.
--
John H


Would those WMDs grow feet and get here on their own, or do they require
someone with a plan and a wish to use them?


Neither, if nonexistent.
--
John H

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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:21:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:04:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:47:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 7, 8:38 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for.
There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has
been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us
into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That
leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.

What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the
Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why are you so against the Chinese, John? Do you realize they are
bailing out the Bush fiasco as we speak? We are borrowing money from
them at an amazing rate.

Where was the comment against the Chinese? Does implying that they use
oil
mean I'm 'against' them?

Do you think the national interests of the Chinese include the welfare
of
the USA?
--
John H


They sure do like our bonds and our manufacturing business. So yes, I'm
sure
they have an interest in our financial health.


For the moment.
--
John H


What other part of the world do you think is anywhere near being able to
replace the cash flow China gets from us?


Pertinence?
--
John H

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:21:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:04:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:47:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 7, 8:38 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that
the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket",
Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for.
There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag
of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has
been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us
into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That
leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.

What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the
Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why are you so against the Chinese, John? Do you realize they are
bailing out the Bush fiasco as we speak? We are borrowing money from
them at an amazing rate.

Where was the comment against the Chinese? Does implying that they use
oil
mean I'm 'against' them?

Do you think the national interests of the Chinese include the welfare
of
the USA?
--
John H


They sure do like our bonds and our manufacturing business. So yes, I'm
sure
they have an interest in our financial health.


For the moment.
--
John H


What other part of the world do you think is anywhere near being able to
replace the cash flow China gets from us?


Pertinence?
--
John H


Yes, there is pertinence. Read the last few messages again. If you don't see
the pertinence, nothing I can say will help you.

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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:35:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .



Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat to
the USA,
--
John H

No, but the royal family looks the other way while terrorists organize and
train in their country.
We love Saudi Arabia for their oil. They tolerate us because we buy a lot
of it and keep them equipped with weapons.

Watch what happens if and when we don't need their oil.

Eisboch


Then we can take the action we should. Until then we need the oil. The
Saudis appease us with oil and appease the bad guys by turning their heads.
I don't like it, but I do like being able to boat, drive, or fly to Europe.
--
John H

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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:25:00 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Clinton's only action, other than parroting the above in speeches, was
to lob a bunch of cruise missiles that accomplished nothing. (Many
believe it was a "wag the dog" effort to distract media attention from
his personal problems with "that woman".) Who knows for sure?

Yup, Clinton lobs a few cruise missiles and he is accused of "wag the
dog". Imagine, if he had done what GWB did. What would you be saying
then? Probably, quite similar things to what are being said about GWB.
You don't preemptively invade a country on faulty intelligence. This is
Bush's war, he deserves all the lambasting he gets.


If he had done what GWB did, but did it back in 1998, there very well have
never been a 9/11.
Now don't go blowing smoke about Iraq having nothing to do with 9/11. It's
the engagement and weakening of al Qaeda and it's many terrorist
organizations/factions across the globe that has, so far, been effective in
preventing another attack. There are no "good" terrorists and that included
Saddam.

Another thing Bush warned us of, which is now often forgotten, especially
around the election cycles.
He warned us that it's going to be a long, long fight.


Eisboch

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:22:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:07:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:21:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:de2mq3p7vcmepsuu2fckm5c3mi1df1n7s6@4ax. com...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that
the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for.
There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag
of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has
been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us
into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That
leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.


What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the
Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H


"Mr. Ambassador, remember the 20-30 pages of information hidden from
the
9/11 commission? The information which would've made it clear that we
should've invaded your country, instead of the wrong one? Would you
like
that information released to the press?"

"Now, let's talk about the price of oil, shall we?"


Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat
to
the USA,
--
John H


Really? Two questions:

1) Where did most of the 9/11 thugs come from?

2) Where do 60% of foreign fighters come from in Iraq?


WMD are a threat to the USA, not individual terrorists.
--
John H


Would those WMDs grow feet and get here on their own, or do they require
someone with a plan and a wish to use them?


Neither, if nonexistent.
--
John H


This is the real world, not a television show or a children's book.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:25:00 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Clinton's only action, other than parroting the above in speeches, was
to lob a bunch of cruise missiles that accomplished nothing. (Many
believe it was a "wag the dog" effort to distract media attention from
his personal problems with "that woman".) Who knows for sure?

Yup, Clinton lobs a few cruise missiles and he is accused of "wag the
dog". Imagine, if he had done what GWB did. What would you be saying
then? Probably, quite similar things to what are being said about GWB.
You don't preemptively invade a country on faulty intelligence. This is
Bush's war, he deserves all the lambasting he gets.


If he had done what GWB did, but did it back in 1998, there very well have
never been a 9/11.
Now don't go blowing smoke about Iraq having nothing to do with 9/11.
It's the engagement and weakening of al Qaeda and it's many terrorist
organizations/factions across the globe that has, so far, been effective
in preventing another attack.


Here we go again.

Which measures do you feel have been most effective in preventing another
attack?

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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:46:23 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:21:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:04:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:47:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 7, 8:38 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that
the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket",
Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for.
There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag
of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has
been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us
into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That
leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.

What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the
Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why are you so against the Chinese, John? Do you realize they are
bailing out the Bush fiasco as we speak? We are borrowing money from
them at an amazing rate.

Where was the comment against the Chinese? Does implying that they use
oil
mean I'm 'against' them?

Do you think the national interests of the Chinese include the welfare
of
the USA?
--
John H


They sure do like our bonds and our manufacturing business. So yes, I'm
sure
they have an interest in our financial health.


For the moment.
--
John H


What other part of the world do you think is anywhere near being able to
replace the cash flow China gets from us?


Pertinence?
--
John H


Yes, there is pertinence. Read the last few messages again. If you don't see
the pertinence, nothing I can say will help you.


Doug, I've already agreed that the Chinese, for the moment, are interested
in our financial welfare, as long as they find it in their national
interests to be so interested.
--
John H