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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:25:00 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Clinton's only action, other than parroting the above in speeches, was
to lob a bunch of cruise missiles that accomplished nothing. (Many
believe it was a "wag the dog" effort to distract media attention from
his personal problems with "that woman".) Who knows for sure?

Yup, Clinton lobs a few cruise missiles and he is accused of "wag the
dog". Imagine, if he had done what GWB did. What would you be saying
then? Probably, quite similar things to what are being said about GWB.
You don't preemptively invade a country on faulty intelligence. This is
Bush's war, he deserves all the lambasting he gets.

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There is no need to speculate over how many might be dead if Saddam
were still in power. What's the point of that? The point is, Bush's
actions resulted in the deaths of up to hundreds of thousands of
Iraqis, and for what? For Bush's personal political reasons.


For many reasons beside any personal political reasons.

Many in Congress were calling to "disarm" Saddam during the Clinton
administration and many of the most vocal were Dems. (We've already
covered that and the "Intel" issue, yet the left continues to brush that
fact aside.) The primary issue was Saddam's increasing refusal to
comply with the UN resolutions agreed to and signed by Iraq after it was
chased out of Kuwait, with Saddam being allowed to stay in power.

Clinton's only action, other than parroting the above in speeches, was
to lob a bunch of cruise missiles that accomplished nothing. (Many
believe it was a "wag the dog" effort to distract media attention from
his personal problems with "that woman".) Who knows for sure?

The same Intel existed when Bush entered office. 9/11 put the US on a
war footing against terrorism. He immediately went after bin Laden,
having to first demolish the Taliban who were providing protection, and,
receiving the same Intel about Iraq, including the threats of nuclear
and biological WMDs that Clinton had, he made a case of it and demanded
that Saddam comply with the UN resolutions. This demand was made
despite the UN's weakness in doing anything to enforce their own
resolutions. Saddam was given plenty of opportunity to comply, but
became more resistant, buying time (to do what?). Even the chief UN
weapons inspector, Kay, believed WMDs existed at this time and was
venting his frustration at Saddam's stalling activities. (Kay later
joined the anti-Bush conspiracy gang when events cast a shadow on his
own believability.)

Everything since then has been pure speculation by the conspiracy
lovers.

That's what I think.

Eisboch


And yet, Bush never went after the country from which most of the 9/11
thugs originated. Do you find anything wrong with that at all???


Yes. And in time that will have to be addressed. To do so now would dry
up our oil supply, a fact that cannot be ignored. You can't have national
security with no oil at the moment.

Eisboch



You said "now". That means there is a "when", when we *can* go after that
country. I figure we have at least 50 years before our dependence on oil
will lessen. That's a long time to allow an enemy to get away with attacking
us.

What do you think?

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:21:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for. There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.


What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H


"Mr. Ambassador, remember the 20-30 pages of information hidden from the
9/11 commission? The information which would've made it clear that we
should've invaded your country, instead of the wrong one? Would you like
that information released to the press?"

"Now, let's talk about the price of oil, shall we?"


Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat to
the USA,
--
John H


Really? Two questions:

1) Where did most of the 9/11 thugs come from?

2) Where do 60% of foreign fighters come from in Iraq?

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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:04:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:47:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 7, 8:38 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for. There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.

What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why are you so against the Chinese, John? Do you realize they are
bailing out the Bush fiasco as we speak? We are borrowing money from
them at an amazing rate.

Where was the comment against the Chinese? Does implying that they use oil
mean I'm 'against' them?

Do you think the national interests of the Chinese include the welfare of
the USA?
--
John H


They sure do like our bonds and our manufacturing business. So yes, I'm sure
they have an interest in our financial health.


For the moment.
--
John H

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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:07:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:21:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for. There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.


What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H


"Mr. Ambassador, remember the 20-30 pages of information hidden from the
9/11 commission? The information which would've made it clear that we
should've invaded your country, instead of the wrong one? Would you like
that information released to the press?"

"Now, let's talk about the price of oil, shall we?"


Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat to
the USA,
--
John H


Really? Two questions:

1) Where did most of the 9/11 thugs come from?

2) Where do 60% of foreign fighters come from in Iraq?


WMD are a threat to the USA, not individual terrorists.
--
John H

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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:06:56 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:25:00 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Clinton's only action, other than parroting the above in speeches, was
to lob a bunch of cruise missiles that accomplished nothing. (Many
believe it was a "wag the dog" effort to distract media attention from
his personal problems with "that woman".) Who knows for sure?

Yup, Clinton lobs a few cruise missiles and he is accused of "wag the
dog". Imagine, if he had done what GWB did. What would you be saying
then? Probably, quite similar things to what are being said about GWB.
You don't preemptively invade a country on faulty intelligence. This is
Bush's war, he deserves all the lambasting he gets.

When *do* you invade?
--
John H

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:04:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:47:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 7, 8:38 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for.
There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has
been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us
into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That
leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.

What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the
Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why are you so against the Chinese, John? Do you realize they are
bailing out the Bush fiasco as we speak? We are borrowing money from
them at an amazing rate.

Where was the comment against the Chinese? Does implying that they use
oil
mean I'm 'against' them?

Do you think the national interests of the Chinese include the welfare
of
the USA?
--
John H


They sure do like our bonds and our manufacturing business. So yes, I'm
sure
they have an interest in our financial health.


For the moment.
--
John H


What other part of the world do you think is anywhere near being able to
replace the cash flow China gets from us?

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:07:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:21:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 8:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Feb 6, 5:39 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

Their guess is that the GOP nominees will be
McCain and Huckabee (their nightmare GOP ticket), and that the
best
hope
is to split off entirely and finally from the GOP and form a
third
party.

And for the Dems, what would be your "nightmare ticket", Harry

Either Hillary or Barack in the White House suits me just fine.

You like nightmares??

==========================

Choose your favorite nightmare. They're all bought & paid for. There
are
no
exceptions. Hopefully, you can figure out who's the best scumbag of
the
lot.
When you do, come back and explain how you did it.

No, you'll have to figure that out on your own.

============================

I have a system of sorts. I know every president since Carter has been
on
their knees, blowing the Saudi royal family, which is what got us into
the
**** we're in lately. That eliminates Hillary. Guilt through
association.
Romney never stops smiling. Give that asshole a pair of tacky white
shoes
and he could be selling used cars all day long. He's off the list.
Huckabee
is a disgrace even to some evangelicals. He's off the list. That
leaves
McCain & Obama. Maybe...just maybe they haven't been fondled by the
Saudis,
and in the moment of sanity, they'll do the right thing with that
country.


What would you have them do, oh bright one? Sell oil only to the
Chinese
and Russians?
--
John H


"Mr. Ambassador, remember the 20-30 pages of information hidden from the
9/11 commission? The information which would've made it clear that we
should've invaded your country, instead of the wrong one? Would you like
that information released to the press?"

"Now, let's talk about the price of oil, shall we?"


Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat
to
the USA,
--
John H


Really? Two questions:

1) Where did most of the 9/11 thugs come from?

2) Where do 60% of foreign fighters come from in Iraq?


WMD are a threat to the USA, not individual terrorists.
--
John H


Would those WMDs grow feet and get here on their own, or do they require
someone with a plan and a wish to use them?

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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And yet, Bush never went after the country from which most of the 9/11
thugs originated. Do you find anything wrong with that at all???


Yes. And in time that will have to be addressed. To do so now would dry
up our oil supply, a fact that cannot be ignored. You can't have
national security with no oil at the moment.

Eisboch



You said "now". That means there is a "when", when we *can* go after that
country. I figure we have at least 50 years before our dependence on oil
will lessen. That's a long time to allow an enemy to get away with
attacking us.

What do you think?


I think we could be held hostage for oil way before then (we already are,
ergo the "suck up" by several recent administrations to the Saudis). We
need to get busy now, before our national security is at risk.
I don't care about fuel for cars or boats. We need the ability to defend
ourselves and others who rely upon us to do so. It's happening, finally.

Eisboch

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"John H." wrote in message
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Farcical, and didn't answer the question. Saudi Arabia posed no threat to
the USA,
--
John H

No, but the royal family looks the other way while terrorists organize and
train in their country.
We love Saudi Arabia for their oil. They tolerate us because we buy a lot
of it and keep them equipped with weapons.

Watch what happens if and when we don't need their oil.

Eisboch