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Eisboch wrote:
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me -
in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like
somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then
painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes
on the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would
have yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.

It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree
deadrise on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch

Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as
does Steiger. They are direct competitors.

I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2" different
in LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch




Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model. Different
models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21 degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me -
in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like
somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then
painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes
on the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would
have yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.
And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.
It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree
deadrise on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch
Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as
does Steiger. They are direct competitors.
I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2" different
in LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model. Different
models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21 degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch




No, it wouldn't. Apples and oranges. IF you want to run a 21 degree
deadrise Steiger, you run it against a 21 degree deadrise Parker.

I have tested both hulls, by the way, in the Parker line in both 21 and
25 feet...16 degrees of deadrise vs. 21 degrees of deadrise.

The 21 degree deadrise boats handles the chop better, as you might
expect, and the 16 degree deadrise boats are a bit more stable at rest.
Just as you might expect. But the differences are minimal.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:12:02 -0500, HK wrote:

The 21 degree deadrise boats handles the chop better, as you might
expect, and the 16 degree deadrise boats are a bit more stable at rest.
Just as you might expect. But the differences are minimal.

If so, increase the level of chop and repeat.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.


The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Oh give it up Harry.

sigh He never will, you know that. His will always be bigger, faster, more
stable, taste better, etc, etc, etc. AND... he will always defend his
position to the death... he's NEVER wrong. :-

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:10:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts.

Oh give it up Harry. Steigers are a high quality boat.

I've seen Steigers and Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both.

So have I.

Steigers are the equal of a Parker in every sense with one exception.

They have some style.

But some buyers are interested in flash, and others are not.

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

Mike wrote:
Oh give it up Harry.

sigh He never will, you know that. His will always be bigger, faster, more
stable, taste better, etc, etc, etc. AND... he will always defend his
position to the death... he's NEVER wrong. :-

--Mike


He is never wrong, unless he changes his position on an issue. Ask him
about his position on handguns and the no-neck, brain dead, tiny penis
handgun owners who enjoyed guns and target practice.

Oh, that was before he meet someone who would take him to Shenandoah to
shoot beer cans and stumpy.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular.

I think it's awesome that you know exactly, how much someone *doesn't* know,
about something. I also think it's awesome that you're such an expert on
*everything,* particularly politics, boating, concrete, beer, boatbuilding,
septic tank pumping, stump shooting, etc, etc.!

Dr. Phil would have a field day with you. I know we do. ;-)

--Mike

"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.

The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places where
the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The biggest
selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23 footers.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:03:09 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Dr. Phil would have a field day with you. I know we do. ;-)

Dr Phil would certainly get to the bottom of his low self esteem
issues. My guess is that he never lived up to his father's high
expectations.