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Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there.
Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) |
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Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Your bookie is taking action on the primaries? That is sad. I'm assuming even the bookies are also it hard by the current real estate slump. |
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On Jan 2, 8:41*am, DownTime wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. *Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. *Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. *:) Your bookie is taking action on the primaries? That is sad. I'm assuming even the bookies are also it hard by the current real estate slump.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So, what is the difference between a slump and a logical correction? Does it depend on who is in the Whitehouse?? |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. McCain is a twit and always has been a twit. He should have gone to jail with the rest of the Keating Five. He was crooked then and is crooked now. McCain has done more damage to this country then he could ever do good. |
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HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. McCain is a twit and always has been a twit. He should have gone to jail with the rest of the Keating Five. He was crooked then and is crooked now. McCain has done more damage to this country then he could ever do good. Geez...you're such an *angry* little scheisskopf... -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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BAR wrote: HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. McCain is a twit and always has been a twit. He should have gone to jail with the rest of the Keating Five. He was crooked then and is crooked now. McCain has done more damage to this country then he could ever do good. Geez...you're such an *angry* little scheisskopf... Not angry just determined to see McCain go down in flames again. |
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. McCain is a twit and always has been a twit. He should have gone to jail with the rest of the Keating Five. He was crooked then and is crooked now. McCain has done more damage to this country then he could ever do good. Geez...you're such an *angry* little scheisskopf... Not angry just determined to see McCain go down in flames again. Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry? -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:47:17 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
So, what is the difference between a slump and a logical correction? Does it depend on who is in the Whitehouse?? Perhaps, if Republicans hadn't gutted the Glass-Steagall Act we wouldn't have had this sub-prime fiasco. But you are right, Clinton did sign the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. Why McCain? I view him as having too many back room allegiances and special interests to be any good. But then again, I can't vote -- just curious on US politics. Kind of like Ron Paul myself. |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:41:29 -0500, DownTime
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Your bookie is taking action on the primaries? That is sad. I'm assuming even the bookies are also it hard by the current real estate slump. You do realize that gambling on political elections is a time honored sport in Europe right? The right bookie will be able to place the bet somewhere. However, it was a rhetorical statement - I'm not much of a gambler. Until the NCAA basketball tournament comes around that is. :) |
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"HK" wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. Everyone caved on the torture issue to some extent. It was unavoidable. And, to be perfectly honest, I played a New Year's Eve gig that made waterboarding look like a wine tasting tour in France. McCain was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and he made a comment about using the bully pulpit to ask Americans to consider certain sacrifices, the details of which are not important here. FDR did exactly the same thing, and Americans accepted his suggestions. Nowadays, mention this to certain lizards in newsgroups and they say "guvmint control! guvmint control!" If McCain actually does it, I'd be impressed. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry? Hey, he plays a mean bass. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:55:51 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Until the NCAA basketball tournament comes around that is. :) I'm not much of a basketball fan, but I think the NCAA tournament is the most exciting sports event around. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry? Hey, he plays a mean bass. Eisboch Well, gee, what else does the guy need? As I have stated, I think he's an ok guy, but not for president. We're in the last full year of President Numnutz, and I have seen nothing to indicate Huck is any brighter about the world than Bush was and is. And then there is Huck's "connection" to evangelicals. *That* is an automatic disqualifier for me. No Jesus Freaks in the White House, please. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:46:32 +0000, Canuck57 wrote:
Why McCain? I view him as having too many back room allegiances and special interests to be any good. But then again, I can't vote -- just curious on US politics. Kind of like Ron Paul myself. True, McCain was one of the Keating Five. He admits to "poor judgement", which it was, but it also seemed to be a wake-up call. Since that time, he has been a lead voice in campaign finance reform, and from my vantage point, a straight shooter. While I don't agree with many of his stands, I think he is one of the few honorable men in Washington. A refresher in McCain's involvement in the Keating scandal: http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/ |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:48:47 -0500, DownTime
wrote: wrote: On Jan 2, 8:41 am, DownTime wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Your bookie is taking action on the primaries? That is sad. I'm assuming even the bookies are also it hard by the current real estate slump.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So, what is the difference between a slump and a logical correction? Does it depend on who is in the Whitehouse?? I guess it depends on one's perspective. I see it as more a logical correction, as the prices, especially here in SW Florida were just plain ridiculous. Slump could be used to describe it by anyone who maybe has suffered financially, which thankfully does not include me directly. Not sure I am smart enough to know exactly who may be at fault, besides I doubt everyone else but me cares about my opinion. Blame (fault) is a tricky subject in this instance. There is a point where growth eventually rises to a point where it is unsustainable - it's not directly anybody's fault in one sense and it's exactly everybody's fault in another. The positive thing in this whole deal is that over the next two/three years, real estate in the US will be viewed as an emerging market and prices will rebound quickly. It will be interesting to watch. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry? Hey, he plays a mean bass. Eisboch Well, gee, what else does the guy need? As I have stated, I think he's an ok guy, but not for president. We're in the last full year of President Numnutz, and I have seen nothing to indicate Huck is any brighter about the world than Bush was and is. And then there is Huck's "connection" to evangelicals. *That* is an automatic disqualifier for me. No Jesus Freaks in the White House, please. Being exceptionally "smart" doesn't do it for me. Many cunning criminals are very "smart". I want someone smart *enough* to surround himself/herself with decent, knowledgeable and experienced staff members for counsel and advice, one who isn't afraid to admit he/she is human and prone to mistakes, and above all has the moral courage to use common sense based on sincere consideration when making a tough decision. I am *not* looking for a POTUS that promises cures for all the domestic and international problems, both social and political, just to get votes. Nobody can realistically do that and she's being intellectually dishonest in her quest. Quess you know who I've crossed off my list. Eisboch |
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... On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:46:32 +0000, Canuck57 wrote: Why McCain? I view him as having too many back room allegiances and special interests to be any good. But then again, I can't vote -- just curious on US politics. Kind of like Ron Paul myself. True, McCain was one of the Keating Five. He admits to "poor judgement", which it was, but it also seemed to be a wake-up call. Since that time, he has been a lead voice in campaign finance reform, and from my vantage point, a straight shooter. While I don't agree with many of his stands, I think he is one of the few honorable men in Washington. A refresher in McCain's involvement in the Keating scandal: http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/ His military service is also valuable, but not in a way that's obvious. Success in politics (and other areas of life in general) often depends on getting certain people to shut the **** up already and stop making noise, so actual messages can be heard. There's a contingent of voters (unfortunately) who believe that you cannot formulate foreign policy unless you've served in the military. McCain's history silences those idiots, at least on THAT subject. |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:56:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. As a person, I like McCain - as a President I could find him acceptable - Keating Five beside the point. I'm not exaclty sure how involved he was in it other than doing what he was supposed to do with a constituent who contributed to his political organization. Considering that he was the only Republican involved, it does leave one to wonder. |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:48:47 -0500, DownTime
wrote: I guess it depends on one's perspective. I see it as more a logical correction, as the prices, especially here in SW Florida were just plain ridiculous. Slump could be used to describe it by anyone who maybe has suffered financially, which thankfully does not include me directly. Not sure I am smart enough to know exactly who may be at fault, besides I doubt everyone else but me cares about my opinion. You are overlooking the root cause of inflated SWFL prices in the first place: Easy lending standards which encouraged/fueled rampant speculation. That started in the mid to late 90s and continued until this year. The bubble began to burst 2 years ago after hurricane Wilma convinced a lot of people to sell, and dried up the buyer pool. |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:39:53 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
His military service is also valuable, but not in a way that's obvious. Success in politics (and other areas of life in general) often depends on getting certain people to shut the **** up already and stop making noise, so actual messages can be heard. There's a contingent of voters (unfortunately) who believe that you cannot formulate foreign policy unless you've served in the military. McCain's history silences those idiots, at least on THAT subject. And interesting factoid you may already know. McCain was inadvertently involved with the fire that almost sunk the Forrestal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Forrestal |
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... On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:39:53 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: His military service is also valuable, but not in a way that's obvious. Success in politics (and other areas of life in general) often depends on getting certain people to shut the **** up already and stop making noise, so actual messages can be heard. There's a contingent of voters (unfortunately) who believe that you cannot formulate foreign policy unless you've served in the military. McCain's history silences those idiots, at least on THAT subject. And interesting factoid you may already know. McCain was inadvertently involved with the fire that almost sunk the Forrestal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Forrestal That looks like it was a Very Bad Day for all involved. And I'm the king of understatement today. :) |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:40:16 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
As a person, I like McCain - as a President I could find him acceptable - Keating Five beside the point. I'm not exaclty sure how involved he was in it other than doing what he was supposed to do with a constituent who contributed to his political organization. Considering that he was the only Republican involved, it does leave one to wonder. The Senate Ethics Committee Special Counsel recommended McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation, but there is speculation that didn't happen because he was the lone Republican. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:56:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. :) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. As a person, I like McCain - as a President I could find him acceptable - Keating Five beside the point. I'm not exaclty sure how involved he was in it other than doing what he was supposed to do with a constituent who contributed to his political organization. Oddities surrounding political contributions. Now, there's something novel. :-) |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry? Hey, he plays a mean bass. Eisboch Well, gee, what else does the guy need? As I have stated, I think he's an ok guy, but not for president. We're in the last full year of President Numnutz, and I have seen nothing to indicate Huck is any brighter about the world than Bush was and is. And then there is Huck's "connection" to evangelicals. *That* is an automatic disqualifier for me. No Jesus Freaks in the White House, please. Being exceptionally "smart" doesn't do it for me. Many cunning criminals are very "smart". I want someone smart *enough* to surround himself/herself with decent, knowledgeable and experienced staff members for counsel and advice, one who isn't afraid to admit he/she is human and prone to mistakes, and above all has the moral courage to use common sense based on sincere consideration when making a tough decision. Well, you certainly won't be voting Republican. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:46:08 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
You are overlooking the root cause of inflated SWFL prices in the first place: Easy lending standards which encouraged/fueled rampant speculation. That started in the mid to late 90s and continued until this year. The bubble began to burst 2 years ago after hurricane Wilma convinced a lot of people to sell, and dried up the buyer pool. This graph of historical home values, reminds me of the infamous Global Warming Hockey Stick Graph. Something was obviously out of whack. http://www.investingintelligently.co...ome_values.png |
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On Jan 2, 7:00�am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. �Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. �Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. �:) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. Everyone caved on the torture issue to some extent. It was unavoidable. And, to be perfectly honest, I played a New Year's Eve gig that made waterboarding look like a wine tasting tour in France. McCain was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and he made a comment about using the bully pulpit to ask Americans to consider certain sacrifices, the details of which are not important here. FDR did exactly the same thing, and Americans accepted his suggestions. Nowadays, mention this to certain lizards in newsgroups and they say "guvmint control! guvmint control!" If McCain actually does it, I'd be impressed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - None of the major party candidates ever really reflect my personal political principles, and that's good. My perspectives are too extreme to be useful for the Executive of a country that needs to enlist a variety of people with diverse ideas and agendas in order to get anything done. We've all seen the effects of various "uniters" vs. "dividers" in the WH. I believe it's better to have a person who can reach across the aisle in both directions for support. That reduces me to voting for personal character. I'm absolutely opposed to his politics, (fortuntately we're going to elect a POTUS, not a dictator), but from the perspective of character and personal integrity John McCain is definitely a front runner. Yeah, we would have to overlook some past mistakes, but the only guy without a skeleton or two in the closet is a guy who never accomplished anything. I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me, that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in the middle. At least IMO. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
... On Jan 2, 7:00?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there. Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody else. I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say within a point or two. ?Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total. Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. ?Ron Paultard will show a surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from other states. Now I need to call my bookie. ?:) Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine. I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree he has a spine, but... I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture issue. Everyone caved on the torture issue to some extent. It was unavoidable. And, to be perfectly honest, I played a New Year's Eve gig that made waterboarding look like a wine tasting tour in France. McCain was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and he made a comment about using the bully pulpit to ask Americans to consider certain sacrifices, the details of which are not important here. FDR did exactly the same thing, and Americans accepted his suggestions. Nowadays, mention this to certain lizards in newsgroups and they say "guvmint control! guvmint control!" If McCain actually does it, I'd be impressed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - None of the major party candidates ever really reflect my personal political principles, and that's good. My perspectives are too extreme to be useful for the Executive of a country that needs to enlist a variety of people with diverse ideas and agendas in order to get anything done. We've all seen the effects of various "uniters" vs. "dividers" in the WH. I believe it's better to have a person who can reach across the aisle in both directions for support. That reduces me to voting for personal character. I'm absolutely opposed to his politics, (fortuntately we're going to elect a POTUS, not a dictator), but from the perspective of character and personal integrity John McCain is definitely a front runner. Yeah, we would have to overlook some past mistakes, but the only guy without a skeleton or two in the closet is a guy who never accomplished anything. I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me, that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in the middle. At least IMO. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'll be talking to my dad in a few minutes, and I'll ask him who he thinks is the best candidate. He's always wrong, but the information is amusing. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me, that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in the middle. At least IMO. I don't believe McCain has what it takes to appeal to the simpie fundies, and they are the ones that control most of the GOP. But I would like to see him win because it might help restore a little honor and integrity to the GOP, a party nearly destroyed by the Bush "divide with fear and conquer" tactics of the last seven years. I think the GOP nominee will be Huckabee. If it is, I believe he'll be drowned in the general election, and that will be good for the Republican Party, because it will be able to use that loss as an excuse to distance itself from the screwball "religious" voters. |
Handicapping Iowa...
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... Chuck Gould wrote: I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me, that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in the middle. At least IMO. I don't believe McCain has what it takes to appeal to the simpie fundies, and they are the ones that control most of the GOP. But I would like to see him win because it might help restore a little honor and integrity to the GOP, a party nearly destroyed by the Bush "divide with fear and conquer" tactics of the last seven years. I think the GOP nominee will be Huckabee. If it is, I believe he'll be drowned in the general election, and that will be good for the Republican Party, because it will be able to use that loss as an excuse to distance itself from the screwball "religious" voters. Fortunately, some big time Christian sects have already distanced themselves from the Republicans for various reasons, mostly involving ethics. 2007 was a great year for hot gay Republican sex along with hypocrisy about the subject. That should help drive a wedge between the party and the sects. |
Handicapping Iowa...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me, that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in the middle. At least IMO. I don't believe McCain has what it takes to appeal to the simpie fundies, and they are the ones that control most of the GOP. But I would like to see him win because it might help restore a little honor and integrity to the GOP, a party nearly destroyed by the Bush "divide with fear and conquer" tactics of the last seven years. I think the GOP nominee will be Huckabee. If it is, I believe he'll be drowned in the general election, and that will be good for the Republican Party, because it will be able to use that loss as an excuse to distance itself from the screwball "religious" voters. Fortunately, some big time Christian sects have already distanced themselves from the Republicans for various reasons, mostly involving ethics. 2007 was a great year for hot gay Republican sex along with hypocrisy about the subject. That should help drive a wedge between the party and the sects. Who are the fundies going to vote for? Republicans, of course. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
Handicapping Iowa...
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:04:02 -0800, Chuck Gould wrote:
That reduces me to voting for personal character. I'm absolutely opposed to his politics, (fortuntately we're going to elect a POTUS, not a dictator), but from the perspective of character and personal integrity John McCain is definitely a front runner. Yeah, we would have to overlook some past mistakes, but the only guy without a skeleton or two in the closet is a guy who never accomplished anything. For me, the two most important attributes in a Presidential candidate are competence and honor, then, down the list, politics. Frankly, I'm not sure which, competence or honor, is most important for me, but since it's rare a candidate has either, I usually just end up going for the candidate that comes closest to my politics. I keep thinking, 300 million people, and this is the best we can do? Perhaps, Mike Bloomberg will run. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. While I think he might make a good President, I'd vote for him because it would send a strong message to *both* Republicans and Democrats, that we don't need them anymore. I felt the same way about that chicken-****, candidate one day, not the next, Ross Perot. |
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