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On Jan 5, 10:04*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:

I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.

Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?

Good point. * Seems to me that every candidate currently running on both
sides have pointed out their "strong faith".

So why is Huckelberry any different?

Eisboch

Probably because he's an ordained Baptist minister.

None of the other candidates are "ordained"

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
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Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.

Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Barak Obama has mentioned, more than once, that he is a practicing
Christian and a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Here is an about us from Trinity United.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE
IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Also, the Pastor of Trinity United preaches the Black Value System
which is a form of liberation theology. The very first principle in
the Black Value System is:

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:

Commitment of God

"The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

So, how about the other Obama? Will you as passionately question
Obama's eager participation in liberation theology as a method for
governing as you do for other Christians?


Not sure. Has Obama been endorsed by right wing religious extremists with
a history of meddling directly in government? I've heard Iran is a
beautiful country, but I don't want this country to operate the ways
theirs does at the moment. I don't like theocracies.


Good grief. This should be a cakewalk.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:


I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.

Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?


Good point. Seems to me that every candidate currently running on both
sides have pointed out their "strong faith".

So why is Huckelberry any different?

Eisboch



His backers are the problem. They don't just roll the dice and pick any
candidate who claims to have "strong faith". They go with whoever they think
they can make deals with. They're no different than any other special
interest group that needs to purchase a candidate. All the candidates are
owned by one or more special interests. Which candidate you choose depends
on which owners you're most comfortable with.

I'm more comfortable with Obama's corporate sponsors than I am with
Huckabee's religious sponsors.

"Of course, underneath the veneer of fresh-faced optimism that Obama is
pushing — note that the word "idealism" isn't appropriate here, because
Obama isn't selling idealism so much as a kind of reinvigorated, feel-good
pragmatism — there operates a massive, well-oiled political machine no less
ruthless and ambitious than that of his establishment rival, Hillary
Clinton. Obama has raised $80 million, and it would be a grievous mistake to
describe his candidacy as a grass-roots affair, particularly when he counts
among his bundlers many of the lobbyists and political-finance pros who
buttress the Clinton run.

Even a cursory glance at Obama's money men is enough to confirm that fact.
The list includes Wall Street hotshots from Lehman Brothers, Oppenheimer and
Co., and Citigroup, a smattering of Hollywood players and Native American
casino interests, representatives of big pharmaceuticals and the insurance
sector — in short, all the major food groups of reviled corporate
influence-hunters.

Worse still, Obama's financial backing is reflected in some of his Senate
votes and campaign positions, including most notably his support for
expanding NAFTA to Peru, limiting the ability of injured workers and
consumers to sue for damages, and pouring federal funds into E85 corn-based
ethanol, an alternative fuel for which the market is dominated by the
Illinois-based Archer Daniels Midland Company. More than once I heard Obama
give stirring speeches, only to mar them with plugs for ethanol. "

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jan 5, 10:03 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:


Here's what this country needs: A presidential candidate who responds to
questions about religion in the same way any of us should if an potential
employer asked about it:

"My spiritual beliefs are no concern of yours. Do you have any questions
related to the job you need done

They're busines or not, I'd tell 'em what I believe

+++++++++++++++++++

You've been watching football, haven't you?

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I was going to ask if you were OK with religion getting too involved with
government, but I forgot something: You'll never provide a straight answer
to that question.


I love this kind of debate technique. Make a statement as if it were fact,
then question the answer to a baseless question assuming that fact.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I was going to ask if you were OK with religion getting too involved with
government, but I forgot something: You'll never provide a straight
answer to that question.


I love this kind of debate technique. Make a statement as if it were
fact, then question the answer to a baseless question assuming that fact.

Eisboch



You've been watching football. Come back tomorrow.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:28 -0500, HK wrote:


Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.

"Moreover, it's wrong to ask believers to leave their religion at the
door before entering the public square. Abraham Lincoln, William
Jennings Bryan, Martin Luther King Jr. — indeed, the majority of great
reformers in American history — were not only motivated by faith, they
also used religious language to argue for their cause. To say men and
women should not inject their "personal morality" into policy debates
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of
morality."

Barak Obama, USA Today, 7/10/2006


So?

There's no conflict in the two statements. Obama isn't shoveling religion,
and neither did Lincoln or King. Bryan, of course, did.


Is Huckabee?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:28 -0500, HK wrote:


Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.

"Moreover, it's wrong to ask believers to leave their religion at the
door before entering the public square. Abraham Lincoln, William
Jennings Bryan, Martin Luther King Jr. — indeed, the majority of great
reformers in American history — were not only motivated by faith, they
also used religious language to argue for their cause. To say men and
women should not inject their "personal morality" into policy debates
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of
morality."

Barak Obama, USA Today, 7/10/2006


So?

There's no conflict in the two statements. Obama isn't shoveling
religion, and neither did Lincoln or King. Bryan, of course, did.


Is Huckabee?

Eisboch


It's his sponsors. They poisoned him. Hmm....interesting theory. Who do his
sponsors really want?

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Tim wrote:
On Jan 5, 10:04 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:
I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.
Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?
Good point. Seems to me that every candidate currently running on both
sides have pointed out their "strong faith".

So why is Huckelberry any different?

Eisboch

Probably because he's an ordained Baptist minister.

None of the other candidates are "ordained"

I thought Mitt Romney was a "priest" in the Mormon faith?

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I was going to ask if you were OK with religion getting too involved
with government, but I forgot something: You'll never provide a straight
answer to that question.


I love this kind of debate technique. Make a statement as if it were
fact, then question the answer to a baseless question assuming that fact.

Eisboch



You've been watching football. Come back tomorrow.


Nope. No football. No "refreshments". Just getting tired of all the BS.

Eisboch

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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There's no conflict in the two statements. Obama isn't shoveling
religion, and neither did Lincoln or King. Bryan, of course, did.


Is Huckabee?

Eisboch


It's his sponsors. They poisoned him. Hmm....interesting theory. Who do
his sponsors really want?


Hmmmm. "His sponsors". So, it's not Huckabee you dislike or distrust.
It's those nameless "sponsors". Now, who would *they* be?

Oh, I know! Keith Olberman told me. It's those pesky evangelicals. They
do it everytime.
I wonder if Huckabee is aware of this?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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There's no conflict in the two statements. Obama isn't shoveling
religion, and neither did Lincoln or King. Bryan, of course, did.


Is Huckabee?

Eisboch


It's his sponsors. They poisoned him. Hmm....interesting theory. Who do
his sponsors really want?


Hmmmm. "His sponsors". So, it's not Huckabee you dislike or distrust.
It's those nameless "sponsors". Now, who would *they* be?

Oh, I know! Keith Olberman told me. It's those pesky evangelicals.
They do it everytime.
I wonder if Huckabee is aware of this?

Eisboch



"This God stuff isn't just talk with Huck. One of his first acts as governor
was to block Medicaid from funding an abortion for a mentally retarded
teen*ager who had been raped by her stepfather — an act in direct violation
of federal law, which requires states to pay for abortions in cases of rape.
"The state didn't fund a single such abortion while Huckabee was governor,"
says Dr. William Harrison of the Fayetteville Women's Clinic. "Zero."

As president, Huck would support a constitutional amendment banning abortion
and would give science a back seat to religion. "Science changes with every
generation and with new discoveries, and God doesn't," he says. "So I'll
stick with God if the two are in conflict." Huckabee's
well-documented *disdain for science was reflected in the performance of the
Arkansas school system when he was governor; one independent survey gave the
state an F for its science standards in schools, a grade that among other
things reflected Huckabee's hostility toward the teaching of evolution.

Huckabee at most times is gentle and self-deprecating in his public address,
but when he talks about religion, he gets weirdly combative and obnoxious,
often drifting into outright offensiveness. At one appearance, Huckabee —
who's been known to make fart jokes in front of the state legislature — said
he would oppose gay marriage "until Moses comes down with two stone tablets
from Brokeback Mountain saying he's changed the rules." And he recently
scored a rare offend trifecta, simultaneously ****ing off immigrants, Jews
and the pro-choice crowd when he ludicrously claimed that a "holocaust" of
abortions had *artificially created a demand for Mexican labor.

Huckabee also has a televangelist's knack for getting caught with his
fingers in various cookie jars. In his first year as governor, Huck used a
$60,000 tax*payer fund for personal expenses like dog food, pantyhose and
meals at Taco Bell. (One of his sons — also a very heavy man, as his *father
was — reportedly joked that "there's not a Huckabee alive that can eat at
Taco Bell for seven dollars.") The governor also tried to keep $70,000 in
furnishings for the governor's mansion supplied by a local cotton grower,
and used inaugural funds to pay for clothes for his wife. "Mike is first and
foremost about Mike," says Brantley. "He'll nickel-and-dime whoever he can
to line his pockets." "

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HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:45:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Seems to be more to this than meets the eye.

http://tinyurl.com/2wkmqt

Ah nuts - I was setting Doug up for just this - I was just trying to
work through his prejudices first. :)

Oh well...


http://tinyurl.com/2rjlka


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Sooooo Harry. What's in your wallet? (Snerk)


A photo of a young girl you'd recognize if you knew her back then?

(snerk)


Harry, Unless they are their grandkids, I don't know any old men who
carry a photo of a young girl in their wallet. That really does sound
like a pedophile.

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:39:54 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:




What's not to like about Chuck Norris movies. Lots of action, lots of
explosions. Good guy movie. No Jeff Gordon movie. Seagal was good,
before
he decided he could write and direct movies. Van Damme, movies. Just
SUX.
Jackie Chan is a good comedian. And I like good comedians.

Hey, Van Damme always had a naked butt scene and the girls in the
house must have found it titillating.
IMO, just about any episode of the "A-Team" had more good stuff than a
Norris movie. Peppard saying "I love it when a plan comes together"
displayed more acting talent than the entire cast of a Norris movie
saying all their lines. But maybe I wasn't paying close attention.

--Vic

Did not say Chuck was an actor. Just said it had great action scenes.

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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 22:39:19 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Chuck's movies are intended as comedy.

Thug: You don't belong here.
Chuck: If I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.


For martial arts, I prefer Bruce Lee, and any number of Japanese or
Chinese movies.


You're spending too much time with old people. Tony Jaa is now the
reigning king.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M__9ZmCFNeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJ5s...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aZaE...eature=related

I've only seen a couple in the last few years. I prefer the "mystical"
martial arts movies...Crouching Tiger or one whose name escapes me at the
moment. I did like Fist of Legend (Jet Li) and of course Fist of Legend,
with the master, Bruce Lee.

Is that the one that's dubbed in English?

Ah yes - the classic joke - Asian bad guy goes into long speech and
the english is dubbed as "Yes". :)

Ever see "What's Up, Tiger Lily"?"

Hysterical.

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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:31:41 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Saw it once, but it was commercial TV, so it was "spotty."
I'll put it on the Netflix list, which BTW finally came through with
Army of Darkness, your recommendation a while back.
Excellent! Shall I say "off the wall?"

Definetly a guy flick.

Bruce Campbell is vastly under appreciated. He and I share the same
odd ball sense of humor.

If you can find it, get "If Chins Could Kill: Confessions of a B
Movie Actor". It's a great read and you get some very interesting
insight to the workings of Hollywood.

Not to mention, it's really funny.

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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:01:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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We've already seen what happens when a president uses faith instead of
reason to formulate policy.

You are not aware of this defect, but other people are.

Ever been in an airplane and suddenly the lights dim, the plane banks
sharply and the engines cut out?

Betcha find religion real fast.

Eisboch (just a joke)

No - it's not a joke - it's a fact.

I've seen it happen to some very hardcore athesists.

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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:15:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I was going to ask if you were OK with religion getting too involved with
government, but I forgot something: You'll never provide a straight answer
to that question.

I love this kind of debate technique. Make a statement as if it were fact,
then question the answer to a baseless question assuming that fact.

Doug is very good at it, but when you pin him down, it's just all
narcissistic strut. Ever notice that when he gets pinned into a
corner, he tries to shift the discussion in a new direction? Or he'll
turn the discussion into a snark fest?

I used to think Doug had a solid streak of intellectual curiosity in
him - now I know better - he's just another prejudiced self-hating
social misfit who can't get along with anybody.

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:26:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:28 -0500, HK wrote:


Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.

"Moreover, it's wrong to ask believers to leave their religion at the
door before entering the public square. Abraham Lincoln, William
Jennings Bryan, Martin Luther King Jr. - indeed, the majority of great
reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, they
also used religious language to argue for their cause. To say men and
women should not inject their "personal morality" into policy debates
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of
morality."

Barak Obama, USA Today, 7/10/2006

Let's debate this: Without the ten commandments, absolutely nobody would
know that murder is wrong.

Nobody. No exceptions. Period.

I'm sorry Doug - I'm tired of you and your bull****.

Go play fake intellectual games with somebody else.

I'm out.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:45:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Seems to be more to this than meets the eye.

http://tinyurl.com/2wkmqt

Ah nuts - I was setting Doug up for just this - I was just trying to
work through his prejudices first. :)

Oh well...


http://tinyurl.com/2rjlka


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Sooooo Harry. What's in your wallet? (Snerk)


A photo of a young girl you'd recognize if you knew her back then?

(snerk)


Harry, Unless they are their grandkids, I don't know any old men who
carry a photo of a young girl in their wallet. That really does sound
like a pedophile.

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

This guy is about the right age to be a product of the union between Harry
and that 14 year old child he claims to have molested.

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

Not cool Reg.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:26:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:28 -0500, HK wrote:


Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.
"Moreover, it's wrong to ask believers to leave their religion at the
door before entering the public square. Abraham Lincoln, William
Jennings Bryan, Martin Luther King Jr. - indeed, the majority of great
reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, they
also used religious language to argue for their cause. To say men and
women should not inject their "personal morality" into policy debates
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of
morality."

Barak Obama, USA Today, 7/10/2006
Let's debate this: Without the ten commandments, absolutely nobody would
know that murder is wrong.

Nobody. No exceptions. Period.

I'm sorry Doug - I'm tired of you and your bull****.

Go play fake intellectual games with somebody else.

I'm out.

I was wondering how long it would take. ;)

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

Not cool Reg.

Horse****!

You stand by and say little or nothing to Krause for the most vile **** on
the internet, and then jump on Reggie for this obvious joke?

Give us a break!


--
John H

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:55:07 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:


I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.

Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?

You don't. They do.
--
John H

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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:04:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:


I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.

Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?


Good point. Seems to me that every candidate currently running on both
sides have pointed out their "strong faith".

So why is Huckelberry any different?

Eisboch


He's the best target for a liberal press.
--
John H

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:44:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
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Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.

Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Barak Obama has mentioned, more than once, that he is a practicing
Christian and a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Here is an about us from Trinity United.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE
IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Also, the Pastor of Trinity United preaches the Black Value System
which is a form of liberation theology. The very first principle in
the Black Value System is:

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:

Commitment of God

"The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

So, how about the other Obama? Will you as passionately question
Obama's eager participation in liberation theology as a method for
governing as you do for other Christians?


Not sure. Has Obama been endorsed by right wing religious extremists with a
history of meddling directly in government? I've heard Iran is a beautiful
country, but I don't want this country to operate the ways theirs does at
the moment. I don't like theocracies.


Uh, Doug. A little honesty would be refreshing. How about something along
the lines of:

"Not sure. Obama is a Democrat. That changes the whole picture."
--
John H

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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243
Not cool Reg.

Horse****!

You stand by and say little or nothing to Krause for the most vile **** on
the internet, and then jump on Reggie for this obvious joke?

Give us a break!



Harry talking about keeping photos of young girls in his wallet, while
"snerking" did beg for a joke, and as you said, it was very mild
compared to Harry's normal retorts.

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:08:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:26:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:28 -0500, HK wrote:


Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.
"Moreover, it's wrong to ask believers to leave their religion at the
door before entering the public square. Abraham Lincoln, William
Jennings Bryan, Martin Luther King Jr. - indeed, the majority of great
reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, they
also used religious language to argue for their cause. To say men and
women should not inject their "personal morality" into policy debates
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of
morality."

Barak Obama, USA Today, 7/10/2006
Let's debate this: Without the ten commandments, absolutely nobody would
know that murder is wrong.

Nobody. No exceptions. Period.

I'm sorry Doug - I'm tired of you and your bull****.

Go play fake intellectual games with somebody else.

I'm out.

I was wondering how long it would take. ;)

Tom's a gentleman. He takes a year or two longer than us to be honest with
Doug.
--
John H

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:33:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

Not cool Reg.

Horse****!

You stand by and say little or nothing to Krause for the most vile **** on
the internet, and then jump on Reggie for this obvious joke?

Some jokes are funny - some are not. This does not reach the level of
Joke in any sense of the word.

I do not find pedofilphila funny.

What ever else Harry has done, might or will do does not equal
basically being called a pedophile.

Give us a break!

I stand by what I said.

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:33:11 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:33:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

Not cool Reg.

Horse****!

You stand by and say little or nothing to Krause for the most vile **** on
the internet, and then jump on Reggie for this obvious joke?

Some jokes are funny - some are not. This does not reach the level of
Joke in any sense of the word.

I do not find pedofilphila funny.

What ever else Harry has done, might or will do does not equal
basically being called a pedophile.

Give us a break!

I stand by what I said.

The fact that you didn't laugh does not mean the intent was serious. I
doubt if anyone here considers pedophilia funny. If 'humorous' is your
standard, which of Harry's continuous attacks do you find funny?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:15:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...



I was going to ask if you were OK with religion getting too involved
with
government, but I forgot something: You'll never provide a straight
answer
to that question.

I love this kind of debate technique. Make a statement as if it were
fact,
then question the answer to a baseless question assuming that fact.

Doug is very good at it, but when you pin him down, it's just all
narcissistic strut. Ever notice that when he gets pinned into a
corner, he tries to shift the discussion in a new direction? Or he'll
turn the discussion into a snark fest?

I used to think Doug had a solid streak of intellectual curiosity in
him - now I know better - he's just another prejudiced self-hating
social misfit who can't get along with anybody.


And yet, the reality is that you will never discuss religion mingling too
much with government. You hauled out the "we have a Christian heritage"
blather instead, a target that's easier to shoot than the side of a barn.

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:55:07 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:


I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.

Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?

You don't. They do.
--
John H



And then, you take their word for it? Like what's-his-name the TV preacher
slob - was it Jim Baker?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:26:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:03:28 -0500, HK wrote:


Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.

"Moreover, it's wrong to ask believers to leave their religion at the
door before entering the public square. Abraham Lincoln, William
Jennings Bryan, Martin Luther King Jr. - indeed, the majority of great
reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, they
also used religious language to argue for their cause. To say men and
women should not inject their "personal morality" into policy debates
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of
morality."

Barak Obama, USA Today, 7/10/2006

Let's debate this: Without the ten commandments, absolutely nobody would
know that murder is wrong.

Nobody. No exceptions. Period.

I'm sorry Doug - I'm tired of you and your bull****.

Go play fake intellectual games with somebody else.

I'm out.


This is far from being bull****. This is at the heart of your "we have a
Christian heritage" thing. That usually leads to a discussion of how many of
our laws are based on religious principals, so I shot down that idea for
you. Here's the heart of the issue: I think normally adjusted humans
NATURALLY know certain things are wrong, and don't need commandments or laws
to help them. So much for religious heritage. I think we'd have most of our
laws even if religion never existed.

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:39:54 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:




What's not to like about Chuck Norris movies. Lots of action, lots of
explosions. Good guy movie. No Jeff Gordon movie. Seagal was good,
before
he decided he could write and direct movies. Van Damme, movies. Just
SUX.
Jackie Chan is a good comedian. And I like good comedians.

Hey, Van Damme always had a naked butt scene and the girls in the
house must have found it titillating.
IMO, just about any episode of the "A-Team" had more good stuff than a
Norris movie. Peppard saying "I love it when a plan comes together"
displayed more acting talent than the entire cast of a Norris movie
saying all their lines. But maybe I wasn't paying close attention.

--Vic

Did not say Chuck was an actor. Just said it had great action scenes.



Q: What's behind Chuck Norris' beard?

A: Another fist.

:)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:33:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

Not cool Reg.
Horse****!

You stand by and say little or nothing to Krause for the most vile
**** on the internet, and then jump on Reggie for this obvious
joke?

Some jokes are funny - some are not. This does not reach the level
of Joke in any sense of the word.

I do not find pedofilphila funny.

What ever else Harry has done, might or will do does not equal
basically being called a pedophile.

For what it is worth, I did find Harry's comment about keeping a photo
of a young girl in his wallet, very weird. I mean very weird.

While I don't care if you hold me to a higher standard than Harry (I
think I should be held to a higher standard), Harry has called numerous
people pedophiles and made numerous references to their preference
towards bestiality. Harry made these comments often without any comment
from you or any of the other regulars. Don has also made numerous
comments about people being pedophiles when he is puppy dogging Harry's
comments.

So while I agree with you I should be held to a higher standard than
Harry, JohnH was making a valid point that many people overlook Harry's
daily comments that are equal or go beyond anything said by others.

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

Not cool Reg.

Horse****!

You stand by and say little or nothing to Krause for the most vile **** on
the internet, and then jump on Reggie for this obvious joke?

Give us a break!


--
John H


Facilitating again Johnny? You encouraging this type of infantile
behaviour?

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
snip
Don has also made numerous
comments about people being pedophiles when he is puppy dogging Harry's
comments.



Show examples jackass or slither back to the mud in Lake Lanier.

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Don White wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
snip
Don has also made numerous
comments about people being pedophiles when he is puppy dogging Harry's
comments.



Show examples jackass or slither back to the mud in Lake Lanier.



Don, I thought you had me in your bozo bin?

If I wanted to spend the time, I could find numerous comments made by
YOU about numerous people liking little boys, just because Harry said
it. You are so busy puppy dogging Harry, you can't even remember what
you said.

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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:01:40 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:


Do you know this person:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243

Not cool Reg.


Horse****!

You stand by and say little or nothing to Krause for the most vile **** on
the internet, and then jump on Reggie for this obvious joke?

Give us a break!

I second that.

When krause has accused posters of incest, bestiality, etc., or voiced a
wish that they were dead, why was that "not cool"?

Sad part is, krause was not joking.

-- Charlie

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

I think normally adjusted humans
NATURALLY know certain things are wrong, and don't need commandments or laws
to help them.

"Normally Adjusted Humans" (NAHs) natuarally know that killing animals
because they poop on your lawn is wrong.

Apparently you need a commandment.

Tick tock, Tick tock...

-- Charlie