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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
.. .

Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.

Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Barak Obama has mentioned, more than once, that he is a practicing
Christian and a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Here is an about us from Trinity United.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE
IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Also, the Pastor of Trinity United preaches the Black Value System
which is a form of liberation theology. The very first principle in
the Black Value System is:

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:

Commitment of God

“The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

So, how about the other Obama? Will you as passionately question
Obama's eager participation in liberation theology as a method for
governing as you do for other Christians?

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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:43:28 -0500, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"JG2U" wrote in message
...

Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.

Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Why would "the liberal base" be interested in a simple-minded,
uninformed right-wing Christian rube as president?

See my reply to Doug.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
. ..

Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.

Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Barak Obama has mentioned, more than once, that he is a practicing
Christian and a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Here is an about us from Trinity United.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE
IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Also, the Pastor of Trinity United preaches the Black Value System
which is a form of liberation theology. The very first principle in
the Black Value System is:

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:

Commitment of God

"The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

So, how about the other Obama? Will you as passionately question
Obama's eager participation in liberation theology as a method for
governing as you do for other Christians?


Not sure. Has Obama been endorsed by right wing religious extremists with a
history of meddling directly in government? I've heard Iran is a beautiful
country, but I don't want this country to operate the ways theirs does at
the moment. I don't like theocracies.

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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:


I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.

Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:44:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
...

Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.

Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Barak Obama has mentioned, more than once, that he is a practicing
Christian and a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Here is an about us from Trinity United.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE
IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Also, the Pastor of Trinity United preaches the Black Value System
which is a form of liberation theology. The very first principle in
the Black Value System is:

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:

Commitment of God

"The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

So, how about the other Obama? Will you as passionately question
Obama's eager participation in liberation theology as a method for
governing as you do for other Christians?

Not sure. Has Obama been endorsed by right wing religious extremists with a
history of meddling directly in government? I've heard Iran is a beautiful
country, but I don't want this country to operate the ways theirs does at
the moment. I don't like theocracies.

Exactly as I expected.

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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:10:28 -0500, BAR wrote:


I think you, the liberal side of the asile, are in fear of a candidate
with a strong faith in God.

Just curious, how do you determine who has a "strong faith in God"?


You mean, as opposed to someone who is just waving the god flag to garner
votes? Or, am I being too cynical?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:44:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
m...

Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.

Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Barak Obama has mentioned, more than once, that he is a practicing
Christian and a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Here is an about us from Trinity United.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE
IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Also, the Pastor of Trinity United preaches the Black Value System
which is a form of liberation theology. The very first principle in
the Black Value System is:

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:

Commitment of God

"The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

So, how about the other Obama? Will you as passionately question
Obama's eager participation in liberation theology as a method for
governing as you do for other Christians?

Not sure. Has Obama been endorsed by right wing religious extremists with
a
history of meddling directly in government? I've heard Iran is a beautiful
country, but I don't want this country to operate the ways theirs does at
the moment. I don't like theocracies.

Exactly as I expected.


I was going to ask if you were OK with religion getting too involved with
government, but I forgot something: You'll never provide a straight answer
to that question.

Let's disconnect religion from god for a moment and talk about the Brady
Bunch, another group of religious fanatics. Like certain god sects, they
also think they have the right to determine how everyone should live
(gun-less). I'm sure you don't like the Brady religion, right?

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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:39:13 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Huckabee says he's never had a beer.

I have a friend, Vietnam chopper pilot who was shot down 4 times, and
recently retired from the NYPD. He also says he has never drank an
alcoholic beverage. It's unusual, but I believe him and see no reason
not to believe Huckabee.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:41:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
...

Huckabee isn't big-business, is a moral conservative, and is
moderately liberal on some issues. It's possible that some of the
liberal base could see him as a real alternative to the things they
don't like about the dems.
Some of us have a problem with the other Huckabee.

Barak Obama has mentioned, more than once, that he is a practicing
Christian and a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

Here is an about us from Trinity United.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically
Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition
are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain
"true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of
slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is
God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address
injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our
trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of
Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE
IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Also, the Pastor of Trinity United preaches the Black Value System
which is a form of liberation theology. The very first principle in
the Black Value System is:

The Black Value System

These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches,
nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect
the following concepts:

Commitment of God

“The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up
prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for
Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

So, how about the other Obama? Will you as passionately question
Obama's eager participation in liberation theology as a method for
governing as you do for other Christians?


I don't have any problems with churches taking to heart the concept of
liberation theology and putting into practice the goals of improving the
lives of those it touches.

Besides, Obama merely attends the church; he isn't its pastor or its
former pastor, nor is he out praising Jesus or thanking heaven on a
public, daily basis for his political successes.

It doesn't bother me at all that Obama is a "Christian," and that most
if not all of the other candidates are, too. I am only distressed when
politicians shovel their religions at me, or use it as a crutch to avoid
science or common sense.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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When's the last time you read anything by Thomas Merton?