I am so ashamed...
 

of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.



"Toyota???"

"Yeah. Get in."

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.



If it's the Tundra, I hope you have nothing but good luck with it.
A gambling man, would probably go with the odds... so why not you with your
truck.

I am so ashamed...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.



A three-wheeled Cushman with a box cart, metalflake paint, racing
stripes and tailfins?





--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

I am so ashamed...
 

Dodge cummins diesel?

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

You mean one of these?

http://www.truckblog.com/trucktube/E...ta_bed_bounce/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I am so ashamed...
 

"Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks. .."

yes, big time. towing ti will pass anything but a gas station.

I am so ashamed...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.



A 1965 Ford Falcon station wagon with dealer installed air.

http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net...ro/badboys.jpg

Eisboch

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:07:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

I believe it.

They are great trucks.

I am so ashamed...
 

Obviously an American dominated newsgroup here?
Haven't you wondered why many hundreds of outback stations refuse to use
anything else than what you found out was the best?
Their lives depend on those vehicles.
Have you seen what vehicle "they" use in Afganistan with half a dozen gun
toting goons in the back?
Forget the flashy stuff & just get the workhorse.




"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:07:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

I believe it.

They are great trucks.

I am so ashamed...
 

On 12/29/2007 4:07:14 PM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.



I *hope* it was an F-250, F-350, or a Chevy.

--
--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats


---
avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
Virus Database (VPS): 071229-0, 12/29/2007
Tested on: 12/29/2007 4:44:26 PM
avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
http://www.avast.com



-----------------
www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed*
Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road
-----------------

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:32:17 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

A 1965 Ford Falcon station wagon with dealer installed air.

http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net...ro/badboys.jpg

Seriously, if you ever get into the 1/2 ton market again, look at one.

Very interesting set up with the 5.7 V8 and tow package. The surprise
of the morning was the fuel milage.

I was, to put it mildly, amazed.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:10:33 +1030, "BruceM"
wrote:

Have you seen what vehicle "they" use in Afganistan with half a dozen gun
toting goons in the back?

Well good for you - you just queered the deal.

Now I have to start all over again.

Good job.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:44:25 -0500, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:

On 12/29/2007 4:07:14 PM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

I *hope* it was an F-250, F-350, or a Chevy.

Sadly no.

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.


A grandbanks.

I am so ashamed...
 

"BruceM" wrote
Have you seen what vehicle "they" use in Afganistan with half a dozen gun
toting goons in the back?

You mean this kinda thing?
http://content.answers.com/main/cont...ckup_truck.jpg

I am so ashamed...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:44:25 -0500, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:

On 12/29/2007 4:07:14 PM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.
I *hope* it was an F-250, F-350, or a Chevy.

Sadly no.



You did get the Cushman, right?

I am so ashamed...
 

On Dec 29, 4:32*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. *Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

A 1965 Ford Falcon station wagon with dealer installed air.

http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net...ro/badboys.jpg

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My mom had the 65 falcon. Got broadsided trashed it. Also we has a
cushman three wheel boat cart as noted earlier in the thread too.

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:10:33 +1030, "BruceM"
wrote:

Have you seen what vehicle "they" use in Afganistan with half a dozen gun
toting goons in the back?

Well good for you - you just queered the deal.

Now I have to start all over again.

Good job.

Naw.. they don't use the Tundra... the Tacoma maybe...

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:44:25 -0500, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:

On 12/29/2007 4:07:14 PM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

I *hope* it was an F-250, F-350, or a Chevy.

Sadly no.

Look at the bright side.
If the Tundra turns out to be a lemon, you have enough ammunition to bury
half the posters here! ;-)

I am so ashamed...
 

"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!

Larry
--
http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY!
1yearchg +204.60 +32.26%
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

I am so ashamed...
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!



That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over time,
even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not anywhere near
it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to mind.

Eisboch

I am so ashamed...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Canuck57" wrote in
news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!



That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over
time, even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not
anywhere near it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start
to come to mind.

Eisboch


The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time
in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed.

I am so ashamed...
 

"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

You mean one of these?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWGn6_EH2gM

See? YouTube is MUCH better'n cable TV....(c;


Larry
--
http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY!
1yearchg +204.60 +32.26%
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:43:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
.. .
"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!

That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over time,
even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not anywhere near
it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to mind.

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. And I
suppose that over time and heavy at-the-limits carrying capacity, it
probably is meaningful. But you have to remember that the test is
designed to show "flex" but how often do you load one corner of the
pickup at the max to make it flex like that? The object of load
carrying is to level or center the loads - not put all the weight on
one corner.

On the other hand, I would be interested in seeing what that torture
test track test would look like with the trucks loaded to their
maximums. An empty pickup truck is going to bounce - some more than
others.

That's not what I was really interested in though. I wanted to
compare HD trucks side-by-each in a tow test. I half made up my mind
to get another F-250 when Mrs. Wave said one of her collegues husbands
sold Toyotas - why not try one of those?

I did and was sold on it's ability to tow which is all I'm interested
in. And according to the on-board fuel economy computer the lowest
mpg was 13 and the highest 16 on the highway. Beats the hell out of
my F-150 by comparison at 6 and 10. And it held speed without
shifting on slopes on the highway. It was compariably equipped to the
F-150 and in terms of price - about $12,000 cheaper than a XLT Ford
after rebates and a little price haggling helped by the fact that the
dealer hasn't sold a lot of trucks in the past couple of months.

If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger
engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior
appointments why would I not buy it?

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:43:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
. ..
"Canuck57" wrote in
news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!

That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over
time,
even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not anywhere
near
it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to
mind.

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. And I
suppose that over time and heavy at-the-limits carrying capacity, it
probably is meaningful. But you have to remember that the test is
designed to show "flex" but how often do you load one corner of the
pickup at the max to make it flex like that? The object of load
carrying is to level or center the loads - not put all the weight on
one corner.

On the other hand, I would be interested in seeing what that torture
test track test would look like with the trucks loaded to their
maximums. An empty pickup truck is going to bounce - some more than
others.

That's not what I was really interested in though. I wanted to
compare HD trucks side-by-each in a tow test. I half made up my mind
to get another F-250 when Mrs. Wave said one of her collegues husbands
sold Toyotas - why not try one of those?

I did and was sold on it's ability to tow which is all I'm interested
in. And according to the on-board fuel economy computer the lowest
mpg was 13 and the highest 16 on the highway. Beats the hell out of
my F-150 by comparison at 6 and 10. And it held speed without
shifting on slopes on the highway. It was compariably equipped to the
F-150 and in terms of price - about $12,000 cheaper than a XLT Ford
after rebates and a little price haggling helped by the fact that the
dealer hasn't sold a lot of trucks in the past couple of months.

If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger
engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior
appointments why would I not buy it?


It's got a magic cargo light which, when used correctly, will make
tailgaters go away.

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger
engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior
appointments why would I not buy it?


If it floats your boat, buy it!

(Get it ... tows your boat, boat floats .... hehehe)

Eisboch

(watching the Patriots possibly losing for the first time this season.
Exciting game.)

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:41:06 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

(watching the Patriots possibly losing for the first time this season.
Exciting game.)

Great game so far - Manning is playing out of his mind.

I am so ashamed...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

snip....
I half made up my mind to get another F-250 when Mrs. Wave said one of
her collegues husbands
sold Toyotas - why not try one of those?

snip...


Ah ha! That was the clincher. ;-)

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:58:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

(watching the Patriots possibly losing for the first time this season.
Exciting game.)

Great game so far - Manning is playing out of his mind.

Darn good try by the Giants, and it could have easily gone the other
way.

Let's hope they meet again in the Super Bowl.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:27:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:58:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

(watching the Patriots possibly losing for the first time this season.
Exciting game.)

Great game so far - Manning is playing out of his mind.

Darn good try by the Giants, and it could have easily gone the other
way.

Let's hope they meet again in the Super Bowl.

Manning played like he's capable of tonight.

Which means that he will play horrible against Tampa. :)

Hell of a game though - best one this season.

I am so ashamed...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in
:

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly.

My friend Dan hauls his 40' 5th Wheel with one of these:

http://sportchassis.com/

It's base is a Ford F-750 monster with Cummins diesel V-8.

Even the HUMMERS get the hell out of your way when you tailgate them!
Just seeing its GRILLE in your rearview mirror, looming over your
Escalade Pimpmobile, strikes fear in the rappers' hearts!

It's great fun to drive around, even without the massive camper mansion,
with its THREE electrically-expandable rooms and electric patio that
unfolds in front of the door, complete with steps and handrail....(c;
http://www.kingoftheroadrv.com/crown...ry/default.htm
The "camper", as he calls it, has TWELVE wheels...Six Duals!
I asked him if he notifies bridge officials before putting that much
weight on large bridges...(c;

This is what happens when your wife gets fed up with hauling groceries
down to your Hatteras 56 FBMY....(c; BEWARE!

Larry
--
http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY!
1yearchg +204.60 +32.26%
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

I am so ashamed...
 

Read this & then go grab yourself a "man's" truck...........
http://www.signsofthetimes.com.au/ar.../article5.shtm



"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.


A grandbanks.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:20:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:43:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
. ..
"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!

That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over time,
even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not anywhere near
it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to mind.

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. And I
suppose that over time and heavy at-the-limits carrying capacity, it
probably is meaningful. But you have to remember that the test is
designed to show "flex" but how often do you load one corner of the
pickup at the max to make it flex like that? The object of load
carrying is to level or center the loads - not put all the weight on
one corner.

On the other hand, I would be interested in seeing what that torture
test track test would look like with the trucks loaded to their
maximums. An empty pickup truck is going to bounce - some more than
others.

That's not what I was really interested in though. I wanted to
compare HD trucks side-by-each in a tow test. I half made up my mind
to get another F-250 when Mrs. Wave said one of her collegues husbands
sold Toyotas - why not try one of those?

I did and was sold on it's ability to tow which is all I'm interested
in. And according to the on-board fuel economy computer the lowest
mpg was 13 and the highest 16 on the highway. Beats the hell out of
my F-150 by comparison at 6 and 10. And it held speed without
shifting on slopes on the highway. It was compariably equipped to the
F-150 and in terms of price - about $12,000 cheaper than a XLT Ford
after rebates and a little price haggling helped by the fact that the
dealer hasn't sold a lot of trucks in the past couple of months.

If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger
engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior
appointments why would I not buy it?

You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?

I'm glad you found something you like. I hope it serves you well.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?

What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?

Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.

I'm glad you found something you like. I hope it serves you well.

The one thing I liked about the Tundra was the tow/haul package - very
nice 4:10s with 10 inch ring gear - plus the 381 hp with higher torque
at 3500 rpm. I also like the differential lock out - that's a nice
feature and goes well with the LSD. The rear cab entry is nice and
wide and almost like a full rear seat.

The interior is nice and the seating very comfortable compared to the
others. I'm a big guy - I don't make any apologies for that and most
of the American truck seating is uncomforable after a few miles. This
was very comfortable - the cab has plenty of room. Has power for the
important stuff and heated side mirrors which I like.

On the negative side, I didn't care for the column shift - it looks
stupid and they way they placed the shifter, in Drive it is right in
front of the on-the-fly switch for 4WD - you have to reach around the
shifter to get to it. The driving and lighting controls are placed on
the steering column and I don't care for that. The radio controls are
at full extension of your arm and that sucks. I will be changing the
radio over to a Pioneer anyway so I can use my remote control on that
- at 6'3" I have extremely short arms - I'm a mutant - sue me. :)
I'm not a big fan of orange dash lights either which leads me to
another annoyance - when the lights are on, the radio lights dim to
unreadable levels. I've noticed that on the other trucks too, so it's
not just Toyota that does that. I have no idea why they do that.

I can get used to the interior stuff though - that's not an issue. And
it tows like a 3/4 ton which is important to me anyway.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?

What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?

Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.

Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd have
eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot, etc.
The Tundra sounds like a good deal. I looked at one the other day, $48K was
the sticker price, for a top of the line crew cab. I miss not having a
pickup, but can't justify the cost when I could easily buy a half ton
trailer to do what the pickup did.

Do the pickups not have radio controls on the steering wheel? The
Highlanders and 4Runners do. I'm trying to train myself to use them, but so
far they get used mostly when I hit the horn.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I am so ashamed...
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?

What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?

Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.

Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd have
eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot, etc.


The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an
overhead projector and transparencies to understand this?

I am so ashamed...
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?
What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?
Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.
Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd have
eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot, etc.


The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an
overhead projector and transparencies to understand this?




A tip of the hat to you, "Joe." You have much more tolerance for reading
the sort of nonsense Herring posts than I do.

I owned a "modern" F150 for a couple of years, and found it to be a
decent truck. I traded it on on a Toyota Tundra and found the latter to
be far superior in every way, including quality of parts, fit, finish,
"ride," handling and much more. I've been toying with the idea of
trading in my 4Runner soon, and a new Tundra is on the short list.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:16:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?

What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?

Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.

Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd have
eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot, etc.


The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an
overhead projector and transparencies to understand this?


You obviously missed the conversation being referenced here.

So, hush.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:21:18 -0500, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?
What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?
Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.
Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd have
eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot, etc.


The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an
overhead projector and transparencies to understand this?




A tip of the hat to you, "Joe." You have much more tolerance for reading
the sort of nonsense Herring posts than I do.

I owned a "modern" F150 for a couple of years, and found it to be a
decent truck. I traded it on on a Toyota Tundra and found the latter to
be far superior in every way, including quality of parts, fit, finish,
"ride," handling and much more. I've been toying with the idea of
trading in my 4Runner soon, and a new Tundra is on the short list.

Yeah, Joe. When I posted good comments about Tundras, they were nonsense.
Now Harry is considering one. So there.

Apparently both you guys missed the relevant discussion.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."