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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....


That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.

I am so ashamed...
 

I am so ashamed...
 

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:18:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....

That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

Even worse - they get full benefits until they find a job comparable
to what they were doing when they were laid off.

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:26:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.

Not to defend the UAW but crummy and complacent management is more to
blame in my opinion.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:18:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive
industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of
the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....

That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've
been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

Even worse - they get full benefits until they find a job comparable
to what they were doing when they were laid off.

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.
What you say is true. Manufacturing in America Is dead. Thank you Harry for
helping to seal the coffin. :-(

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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:40:52 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

So the UAW is full of people with crap jobs? Thirty bucks an hour with
benefits is a crap job?
--
John H

I am so ashamed...
 

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:40:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

Hairy, you have so many endearing qualities we really wouldn't know
where to start the list. I worked a few "crap jobs" in my youth and I
sort of recall the pay being less than $60 to 70K, and we didn't run
around screaming for "equity" or claiming to be skilled labor. You
should try it some time, silver spoon boy.

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On Jan 1, 2:40*pm, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. *One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.

It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Kind of like you suggesting that my boat is of little value because it
did not cost as much as yours. Dance silver spoon boy...

I am so ashamed...
 

I am so ashamed...
 

Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter
engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that
appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the
back seats the extended cab models offer.

I live on a fairly narrow city street with sidewalks and parking on both
sides.
We have seniors roaming around with walkers/rollators, dog walkers, young
people etc passing by on a regular basis.
My towing needs are very light but I need a shorter vehicle for
maneuverability and superior all around visibility for regular use.

My next vehicle (March 2009) will probably be the Toyota Rav4 with the 4
cylinder auto. I can always get a light utility trailer for hauling
bulky stuff.
Then again, if I move to a bigger boat...I may get the 6 cyl.
Did you run that by your son?


Run this, Dingy Boy.



Blood pressure a little high today, Donnie?

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.

Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive
industry is controlled by a very small group of people. And most are
children of the founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets
them on the Board of Directors.

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.


What's that, the daily rate for the CEO's who bilk the corporation, and
then leave under their golden parachute?

I would wager that there is more skill required of someone running a
grill at McDonald's than a guy operating an air-wrench on an assembly line.

I am so ashamed...
 

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

Nobody is forced to work a crap job. Each and everyone who works one of
those crap jobs has applied for it or responded in the affirmative when
offered the job. They only have themselves to blame. Personal
responsibility is bitch aint she.

I am so ashamed...
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 1, 2:40 pm, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:
Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.
Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.
It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Kind of like you suggesting that my boat is of little value because it
did not cost as much as yours. Dance silver spoon boy...


I have no idea what your boat cost, and I doubt you know what I paid for
mine. Ergo, your posit is just more of your b.s.

Does Chuck still have a copy of the purchase order for your first
Parker? Even accounting for Chuck's stint as a used car salesmen he has
higher ethics than you.

I am so ashamed...
 

"BAR" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to work
crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing qualities,
Dwayne.

Nobody is forced to work a crap job. Each and everyone who works one of
those crap jobs has applied for it or responded in the affirmative when
offered the job. They only have themselves to blame. Personal
responsibility is bitch aint she.


What's a bitch is going through life without the ability to see things
through the eyes of people less fortunate than you. Normally, you learn that
from your parents. Yours must've been pigs.

I am so ashamed...
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

Nobody is forced to work a crap job. Each and everyone who works one of
those crap jobs has applied for it or responded in the affirmative when
offered the job. They only have themselves to blame. Personal
responsibility is bitch aint she.


What's a bitch is going through life without the ability to see things
through the eyes of people less fortunate than you. Normally, you learn
that from your parents. Yours must've been pigs.


Maybe they should have stayed through the 12th grade. Maybe they should
have learned to read and write. Most of the older than teen years people in
crap jobs lack either the training, education or gumption to get a better
job. I worked while going though university. Took me 8 years to get that
Bachelor of Science degree, but spending 10-11 hours a day working and
studying. Does not take a lot of skill to install lugnuts on an assembly
line.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"BAR" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why
the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

Nobody is forced to work a crap job. Each and everyone who works one of
those crap jobs has applied for it or responded in the affirmative when
offered the job. They only have themselves to blame. Personal
responsibility is bitch aint she.


What's a bitch is going through life without the ability to see things
through the eyes of people less fortunate than you. Normally, you learn
that from your parents. Yours must've been pigs.


Maybe they should have stayed through the 12th grade. Maybe they should
have learned to read and write. Most of the older than teen years people
in crap jobs lack either the training, education or gumption to get a
better job. I worked while going though university. Took me 8 years to
get that Bachelor of Science degree, but spending 10-11 hours a day
working and studying. Does not take a lot of skill to install lugnuts on
an assembly line.


You have a point. All we ever heard growing up was how important an
education was for obtaining a decent job when we grew up as an inducement to
work hard in school. Now it seems that everyone expects and is entitled to
a good job regardless of how they applied themselves in school.

We should focus more on making sure that people less fortunate have the
opportunity for an education, not a guarantied, high paying job. It then
remains an individual choice, not a social program.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:19:29 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to work
crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing qualities,
Dwayne.

Nobody is forced to work a crap job. Each and everyone who works one of
those crap jobs has applied for it or responded in the affirmative when
offered the job. They only have themselves to blame. Personal
responsibility is bitch aint she.


What's a bitch is going through life without the ability to see things
through the eyes of people less fortunate than you. Normally, you learn that
from your parents. Yours must've been pigs.


Calling someone's parents 'pigs' is right up your alley, right Harry?
--

JohnH

"Opa of 6"

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:19:29 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why
the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work
crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing qualities,
Dwayne.

Nobody is forced to work a crap job. Each and everyone who works one of
those crap jobs has applied for it or responded in the affirmative when
offered the job. They only have themselves to blame. Personal
responsibility is bitch aint she.


What's a bitch is going through life without the ability to see things
through the eyes of people less fortunate than you. Normally, you learn
that
from your parents. Yours must've been pigs.


Calling someone's parents 'pigs' is right up your alley, right Harry?
--

JohnH


Get your eyes checked.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:19:29 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why
the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.
Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.


It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work
crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing qualities,
Dwayne.
Nobody is forced to work a crap job. Each and everyone who works one of
those crap jobs has applied for it or responded in the affirmative when
offered the job. They only have themselves to blame. Personal
responsibility is bitch aint she.

What's a bitch is going through life without the ability to see things
through the eyes of people less fortunate than you. Normally, you learn
that
from your parents. Yours must've been pigs.
Calling someone's parents 'pigs' is right up your alley, right Harry?
--

JohnH


Get your eyes checked.




It's soooo nice to have Herring Blockage!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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"HK" wrote in message
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It's soooo nice to have Herring Blockage!

--


I'd recommend a good laxative...and lots of it!

I am so ashamed...
 

On 31-Dec-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Hey, Steve, did you ask "who needs jobs" ???


I just want to be sure. Those were YOUR words, right?

So called "Americans" certainly behave to indicate that.

I am so ashamed...
 

On 30-Dec-2007, Wayne.B wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.

The blame lies with 1) the consumer, who is brain dead regarding economic
issues, 2) predation by the US Government with respect to trade agreements,
and 3) the automotive companies for failing to perform in the same manner as
the Asian automakers. The US automotive companies need to get out of the
US, ship raw materials, components, machine tools and capital equipment from
lower cost counties, and assemble the pieces in KY, AL, etc. like the Asian
brands.

Who needs a middle class anyway? What the US automotive manufacturers
produce are what the market demands - every company does that, without
exception. What the US manufacturers CANNOT do is produce miniscule
scooters and sell them for $10,000.00, for the reasons explained in #3
above.

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On 31-Dec-2007, Larry wrote:

Why do you think nothing is being done to stop the illegal alien flow
from the South? Our area is overrun! The NAU has already started
repopulating the country for the transition.....

The transition is nearly complete - the majority consists of third world
invaders and high school dropout red necks (the less fortunate??
Hahahhahahaha) driving repo-targeted rice burners to Walmart to drag home
extremely overpriced Red Chinese merchandise while bitching about their pay!

The end is less than 8-10 years away for the US. May it rest in peace.
(adiós)

I am so ashamed...
 

On 1-Jan-2008, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.

To be accurate, the fault is shared 3-ways - union, the auto companies for
giving in, and the NLRB which is populated with ex-union stooges.

I am so ashamed...
 

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:59:16 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Who needs a middle class anyway?

Have you ever been to a 2nd or 3rd world country and seen how the
upper class lives?

Every home is like an armed fortress.

I am so ashamed...
 

On 3-Jan-2008, Wayne.B wrote:

Who needs a middle class anyway?

Have you ever been to a 2nd or 3rd world country and seen how the
upper class lives?

Every home is like an armed fortress.

Quite a few, actually. The resemblance with Detroit, Atlanta, New York,
Norfolk, Chicago, Los Angeles and a thousand other U.S. cities is alarming.