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... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:21:18 -0500, HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H. wrote: You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the Toyota? What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many trucks on the lot didn't you understand? Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago? Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my statement stands on it's own. Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd have eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot, etc. The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an overhead projector and transparencies to understand this? A tip of the hat to you, "Joe." You have much more tolerance for reading the sort of nonsense Herring posts than I do. I owned a "modern" F150 for a couple of years, and found it to be a decent truck. I traded it on on a Toyota Tundra and found the latter to be far superior in every way, including quality of parts, fit, finish, "ride," handling and much more. I've been toying with the idea of trading in my 4Runner soon, and a new Tundra is on the short list. Yeah, Joe. When I posted good comments about Tundras, they were nonsense. Now Harry is considering one. So there. Apparently both you guys missed the relevant discussion. No. You commented on the price, which didn't matter because he didn't like the products. So, researching rebates is irrelevant. I can get a hot deal on certain basses right now at Guitar Center, and there's a one year/no payments deal, too. But, I don't like the basses they have on sale. Get it? |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:36:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:21:18 -0500, HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H. wrote: You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the Toyota? What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many trucks on the lot didn't you understand? Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago? Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my statement stands on it's own. Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd have eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot, etc. The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an overhead projector and transparencies to understand this? A tip of the hat to you, "Joe." You have much more tolerance for reading the sort of nonsense Herring posts than I do. I owned a "modern" F150 for a couple of years, and found it to be a decent truck. I traded it on on a Toyota Tundra and found the latter to be far superior in every way, including quality of parts, fit, finish, "ride," handling and much more. I've been toying with the idea of trading in my 4Runner soon, and a new Tundra is on the short list. Yeah, Joe. When I posted good comments about Tundras, they were nonsense. Now Harry is considering one. So there. Apparently both you guys missed the relevant discussion. No. You commented on the price, which didn't matter because he didn't like the products. So, researching rebates is irrelevant. I can get a hot deal on certain basses right now at Guitar Center, and there's a one year/no payments deal, too. But, I don't like the basses they have on sale. Get it? And you've no idea what you're talking about. So, hush. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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wrote in message ... The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new truck as often. and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to charge the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring..... especially up here. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new truck as often. and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to charge the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring..... especially up here. He actually bought a Tundra or ...? |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new truck as often. and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to charge the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring..... especially up here. He actually bought a Tundra or ...? |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new truck as often. and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to charge the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring..... especially up here. He actually bought a Tundra or ...? He didn't actually spit it out... but i'm betting he did. quote: "Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks. You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of the F-150 issue." |
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On Dec 29, 10:58*pm, Larry wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote : By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. My friend Dan hauls his 40' 5th Wheel with one of these: http://sportchassis.com/ It's base is a Ford F-750 monster with Cummins diesel V-8. Even the HUMMERS get the hell out of your way when you tailgate them! Just seeing its GRILLE in your rearview mirror, looming over your Escalade Pimpmobile, strikes fear in the rappers' hearts! It's great fun to drive around, even without the massive camper mansion, with its THREE electrically-expandable rooms and electric patio that unfolds in front of the door, complete with steps and handrail....(c;http://www.kingoftheroadrv.com/crown...ry/default.htm The "camper", as he calls it, has TWELVE wheels...Six Duals! I asked him if he notifies bridge officials before putting that much weight on large bridges...(c; This is what happens when your wife gets fed up with hauling groceries down to your Hatteras 56 FBMY....(c; *BEWARE! Larry --http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html 9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY! 1yearchg * * * *+204.60 * * * * * * * * +32.26% When does a "slide" become a "crash"? Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg |
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"Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 29, 10:58 pm, Larry wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote : By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. My friend Dan hauls his 40' 5th Wheel with one of these: http://sportchassis.com/ It's base is a Ford F-750 monster with Cummins diesel V-8. Even the HUMMERS get the hell out of your way when you tailgate them! Just seeing its GRILLE in your rearview mirror, looming over your Escalade Pimpmobile, strikes fear in the rappers' hearts! It's great fun to drive around, even without the massive camper mansion, with its THREE electrically-expandable rooms and electric patio that unfolds in front of the door, complete with steps and handrail....(c;http://www.kingoftheroadrv.com/crown...ry/default.htm The "camper", as he calls it, has TWELVE wheels...Six Duals! I asked him if he notifies bridge officials before putting that much weight on large bridges...(c; This is what happens when your wife gets fed up with hauling groceries down to your Hatteras 56 FBMY....(c; BEWARE! Larry --http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html 9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY! 1yearchg +204.60 +32.26% When does a "slide" become a "crash"? Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer...... http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/ |
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On Dec 30, 3:04*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 29, 10:58 pm, Larry wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote : By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. My friend Dan hauls his 40' 5th Wheel with one of these: http://sportchassis.com/ It's base is a Ford F-750 monster with Cummins diesel V-8. Even the HUMMERS get the hell out of your way when you tailgate them! Just seeing its GRILLE in your rearview mirror, looming over your Escalade Pimpmobile, strikes fear in the rappers' hearts! It's great fun to drive around, even without the massive camper mansion, with its THREE electrically-expandable rooms and electric patio that unfolds in front of the door, complete with steps and handrail....(c;http://www.kingoftheroadrv.com/crown...ry/default.htm The "camper", as he calls it, has TWELVE wheels...Six Duals! I asked him if he notifies bridge officials before putting that much weight on large bridges...(c; This is what happens when your wife gets fed up with hauling groceries down to your Hatteras 56 FBMY....(c; BEWARE! Larry --http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html 9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY! 1yearchg +204.60 +32.26% When does a "slide" become a "crash"? Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about.. |
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On Dec 29, 9:34*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:h0tdn3hnrtf1guphpucrukk9ktr2abopfg@4ax .com... On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:43:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message . .. "Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101 @pd7urf1no: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling. What a piece of ****! That's an impressive demonstration. *Obviously done by the Ford folks, but damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an inch on the Ford for the given load. 3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over time, even though I am sure both frames are hardened. *Probably not anywhere near it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to mind. By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. *And I suppose that over time and heavy at-the-limits carrying capacity, it probably is meaningful. *But you have to remember that the test is designed to show "flex" but how often do you load one corner of the pickup at the max to make it flex like that? *The object of load carrying is to level or center the loads - not put all the weight on one corner. On the other hand, I would be interested in seeing what that torture test track test would look like with the trucks loaded to their maximums. *An empty pickup truck is going to bounce - some more than others. That's not what I was really interested in though. *I wanted to compare HD trucks side-by-each in a tow test. *I half made up my mind to get another F-250 when Mrs. Wave said one of her collegues husbands sold Toyotas - why not try one of those? I did and was sold on it's ability to tow which is all I'm interested in. *And according to the on-board fuel economy computer the lowest mpg was 13 and the highest 16 on the highway. *Beats the hell out of my F-150 by comparison at 6 and 10. *And it held speed without shifting on slopes on the highway. *It was compariably equipped to the F-150 and in terms of price - about $12,000 cheaper than a XLT Ford after rebates and a little price haggling helped by the fact that the dealer hasn't sold a lot of trucks in the past couple of months. If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior appointments why would I not buy it? It's got a magic cargo light which, when used correctly, will make tailgaters go away.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, it's called... Illegal! |
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On Dec 29, 9:41*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:h0tdn3hnrtf1guphpucrukk9ktr2abopfg@4ax .com... If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior appointments why would I not buy it? If it floats your boat, *buy it! (Get it ... tows your boat, *boat floats .... hehehe) Eisboch (watching the Patriots possibly losing for the first time this season. Exciting game.) That's funny, I was never even worried. and I really mean that. I think the Pats were playing to the NFL and the audience. I truly see Brady as Montana like, to where if he needs one or two touchdowns to win a game and he has a couple of minutes, he is not even worried he will go and get them, just like old Joe could. I was however very impessed with the penetration of NY's defence and the way they protected Manning... |
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... On Dec 29, 9:34 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:h0tdn3hnrtf1guphpucrukk9ktr2abopfg@4ax .com... On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:43:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message . .. "Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101 @pd7urf1no: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling. What a piece of ****! That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an inch on the Ford for the given load. 3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over time, even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not anywhere near it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to mind. By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. And I suppose that over time and heavy at-the-limits carrying capacity, it probably is meaningful. But you have to remember that the test is designed to show "flex" but how often do you load one corner of the pickup at the max to make it flex like that? The object of load carrying is to level or center the loads - not put all the weight on one corner. On the other hand, I would be interested in seeing what that torture test track test would look like with the trucks loaded to their maximums. An empty pickup truck is going to bounce - some more than others. That's not what I was really interested in though. I wanted to compare HD trucks side-by-each in a tow test. I half made up my mind to get another F-250 when Mrs. Wave said one of her collegues husbands sold Toyotas - why not try one of those? I did and was sold on it's ability to tow which is all I'm interested in. And according to the on-board fuel economy computer the lowest mpg was 13 and the highest 16 on the highway. Beats the hell out of my F-150 by comparison at 6 and 10. And it held speed without shifting on slopes on the highway. It was compariably equipped to the F-150 and in terms of price - about $12,000 cheaper than a XLT Ford after rebates and a little price haggling helped by the fact that the dealer hasn't sold a lot of trucks in the past couple of months. If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior appointments why would I not buy it? It's got a magic cargo light which, when used correctly, will make tailgaters go away.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, it's called... Illegal! +++++++++++ It got turned on by accident, officer. I was fumbling for the dashboard light switch. |
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On Dec 30, 4:35*pm, Tim wrote:
Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! |
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On 29-Dec-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed. Like the engineering pranks on my suicide door Ranger, '99, 371,000 + miles, NO engine or other work except brakes, 8 sets of tires, transmission every 180,000 miles. Go for the rice burner anyway, who needs jobs?? President Hillary will furnish most needs, and younger generations can make 6 bucks an hour at Walmart for playthings and incidentals. Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country. |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? :} |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:28:03 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? Didn't know that. Then again, Yamaha did build an engine for Ford. And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? As compared to Yamahas which wouldn't run at all? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:28:03 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? Didn't know that. Then again, Yamaha did build an engine for Ford. And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? As compared to Yamahas which wouldn't run at all? Yamahas don't have to run to stay ahead of eTecs, because in any races of length, the eTecs will simply explode. :} Are you getting a candy colored metal flake paint job on that new truck? -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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On Dec 30, 9:03*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Pffft! (SBD) I want something I can park in my garage! |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:43:58 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:28:03 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? Didn't know that. Then again, Yamaha did build an engine for Ford. And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? As compared to Yamahas which wouldn't run at all? Yamahas don't have to run to stay ahead of eTecs, because in any races of length, the eTecs will simply explode. :} http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=114 Notice where the Yamaha's came in? After Evinrude. Are you getting a candy colored metal flake paint job on that new truck? Actually, it already has one - nice shiny metalflake gray with gold and silver highlights. |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote: Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country. If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until the last fool in the country finally dies. |
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On Dec 30, 11:14*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:43:58 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:28:03 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message .... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. *:) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? Didn't know that. Then again, Yamaha did build an engine for Ford. And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? As compared to Yamahas which wouldn't run at all? Yamahas don't have to run to stay ahead of eTecs, because in any races of length, the eTecs will simply explode. * :} http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=114 Notice where the Yamaha's came in? After Evinrude. Are you getting a candy colored metal flake paint job on that new truck? Actually, it already has one - nice shiny metalflake gray with gold and silver highlights.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What's next, a ponytail and nose art... You are starting to worry me man.. |
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On Dec 29, 1:07�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: of myself. Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment. Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the interior design. �Towed ok. Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks. Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same complaints. Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks. You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of the F-150 issue. Things change. Every so often it pays to resurvey the market. What we all think we know about the relative merits of various brands can become outdated. It's understandable that people are slow to come around to Toyota pickup trucks. What's more red-neck, down home, red-white-blue, and apple pie on a red checkered Independence Day picnic table cloth than a pickup truck? Can we really trust "The Japs" to build one (even in Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, or what not)? Weren't we trying to kill off as many of these folks as we could manage, just a bit over 60 years ago? You shouldn't be ashamed, Tom. The two groups of people who should be ashamed are. 1) Domestic truck makers who figure they can can corners almost endlessly without disrupting the core "patriotic" market segment. 2) The less-than-adequately discriminating consumers who financially enable and support the manufacture of medicore or substandard products by shopping with nostalgic prejudices rather than objective analysis. If more people buy Toyota trucks, we will see Ford, Chevrolet, and Dodge improve substantially in response. It happened with cars, and it will happen with trucks. Typical American industry- reactive rather than proactive. (Reactive:OMG! There goes our market share! Guess we better put some content back into the trademark before we lose any more. Proactive: What can we do, while we're ahead, to make it tougher for the competitors to realize any inroads?) |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... On Dec 29, 1:07?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: of myself. Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment. Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the interior design. ?Towed ok. Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks. Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same complaints. Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks. You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of the F-150 issue. Things change. Every so often it pays to resurvey the market. What we all think we know about the relative merits of various brands can become outdated. It's understandable that people are slow to come around to Toyota pickup trucks. What's more red-neck, down home, red-white-blue, and apple pie on a red checkered Independence Day picnic table cloth than a pickup truck? Can we really trust "The Japs" to build one (even in Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, or what not)? Weren't we trying to kill off as many of these folks as we could manage, just a bit over 60 years ago? You shouldn't be ashamed, Tom. The two groups of people who should be ashamed are. 1) Domestic truck makers who figure they can can corners almost endlessly without disrupting the core "patriotic" market segment. 2) The less-than-adequately discriminating consumers who financially enable and support the manufacture of medicore or substandard products by shopping with nostalgic prejudices rather than objective analysis. If more people buy Toyota trucks, we will see Ford, Chevrolet, and Dodge improve substantially in response. It happened with cars, and it will happen with trucks. Typical American industry- reactive rather than proactive. (Reactive:OMG! There goes our market share! Guess we better put some content back into the trademark before we lose any more. Proactive: What can we do, while we're ahead, to make it tougher for the competitors to realize any inroads?) My Son in Laws Tundra and it is 5 years old, seems tinny and does not ride as nice as my 2500 Silverado. Reliable truck, but not as nice as mine. |
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"Steve" wrote in message
... On 29-Dec-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed. Like the engineering pranks on my suicide door Ranger, '99, 371,000 + miles, NO engine or other work except brakes, 8 sets of tires, transmission every 180,000 miles. Go for the rice burner anyway, who needs jobs?? President Hillary will furnish most needs, and younger generations can make 6 bucks an hour at Walmart for playthings and incidentals. Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country. Hey, Steve, did you ask "who needs jobs" ??? I just want to be sure. Those were YOUR words, right? |
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: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve" wrote: Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country. If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until the last fool in the country finally dies. You all assume, wrongly, the USA will exist at all: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15233 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U CNN Report http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/ Why do you think nothing is being done to stop the illegal alien flow from the South? Our area is overrun! The NAU has already started repopulating the country for the transition..... Ah, I see Gold is opening with a VERTICAL climb to $842.70/oz already this morning....You lost your ass, again, if you hold dollars. I predict once the public finds dollars totally worthless, they'll agree to the wonderful new ELECTRONIC AMERO from the new NAU secret central bankers. Won't that be wonderful? No cash, just credits accessible by your Verichip in your neck, tagged like an animal. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...4-10-13-human- microchips_x.htm No chip? No bank account, no money, no drivers license, no government benefits, no access to anything, including every store which will all be forced to use it to get paid for what YOU want to buy! The driver's license office will implant them, negating the need to issue you a driver's license. Every cop will have a scanner pointed at your car BEFORE he stops you, downloading everything you ever did....everything you ever had....everything you have now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLixwNkur8 Tommy Thompson has his implanted...and now works for Verichip! It's an interesting part of "Zeitgeist, the Movie": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo Watch all the parts on YouTube..... $842/oz. Watch it happen LIVE on the livegold page below for free. Has your house tripled in value since 9/11/2001, after all the sales/repair loads to dump it? If it did...YOU BROKE EVEN! Otherwise you LOST YOUR ASS! Oil hasn't gone up....MONEY HAS GONE DOWN..WAY DOWN! Larry -- http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html 9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz Last trade, DEC 31, 07 - $842.10 The stampede to devalue Fed Reserve Banknotes continues! When does a "slide" become a "crash"? |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:26:45 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote: My Son in Laws Tundra and it is 5 years old, seems tinny and does not ride as nice as my 2500 Silverado. Reliable truck, but not as nice as mine. I have a 6 year old Tundra and there is nothing tinny about it. |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote: On 29-Dec-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed. Like the engineering pranks on my suicide door Ranger, '99, 371,000 + miles, NO engine or other work except brakes, 8 sets of tires, transmission every 180,000 miles. Go for the rice burner anyway, who needs jobs?? President Hillary will furnish most needs, and younger generations can make 6 bucks an hour at Walmart for playthings and incidentals. Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country. Toyota pickups make great machine gun mounts. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:43:58 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:28:03 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? Didn't know that. Then again, Yamaha did build an engine for Ford. And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? As compared to Yamahas which wouldn't run at all? Yamahas don't have to run to stay ahead of eTecs, because in any races of length, the eTecs will simply explode. :} http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=114 Notice where the Yamaha's came in? After Evinrude. Are you getting a candy colored metal flake paint job on that new truck? Actually, it already has one - nice shiny metalflake gray with gold and silver highlights. Too bad you didn't buy the regular cab 'plain Jane' model with small engine. That would have been a perfect 2nd hand truck for me a few years down the road. (assuming our loonie stays equal or better than your buck) |
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Don White wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:43:58 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:28:03 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? Didn't know that. Then again, Yamaha did build an engine for Ford. And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? As compared to Yamahas which wouldn't run at all? Yamahas don't have to run to stay ahead of eTecs, because in any races of length, the eTecs will simply explode. :} http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=114 Notice where the Yamaha's came in? After Evinrude. Are you getting a candy colored metal flake paint job on that new truck? Actually, it already has one - nice shiny metalflake gray with gold and silver highlights. Too bad you didn't buy the regular cab 'plain Jane' model with small engine. That would have been a perfect 2nd hand truck for me a few years down the road. (assuming our loonie stays equal or better than your buck) I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the back seats the extended cab models offer. |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:46:37 -0500, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:43:58 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:28:03 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:44 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 30, 4:35 pm, Tim wrote: Nuts with it. i always wanted one of these! http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg That's old WW2 junk. We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;; as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is braging about. Besides, the DUKW swims! ------------------------------------------------- Pffft! http://www.terrawind.com/terrawind.htm That's Harry's kind of boat - it has no transom. :) You do know the engine in that new Toyota is a Yamaha design, right? Didn't know that. Then again, Yamaha did build an engine for Ford. And if you put three eTecs on the transom of a fast boat, will it still be fast because only two of them will actually run at one time? As compared to Yamahas which wouldn't run at all? Yamahas don't have to run to stay ahead of eTecs, because in any races of length, the eTecs will simply explode. :} http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=114 Notice where the Yamaha's came in? After Evinrude. Are you getting a candy colored metal flake paint job on that new truck? Actually, it already has one - nice shiny metalflake gray with gold and silver highlights. Too bad you didn't buy the regular cab 'plain Jane' model with small engine. That would have been a perfect 2nd hand truck for me a few years down the road. (assuming our loonie stays equal or better than your buck) I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the back seats the extended cab models offer. Tremendous difference in towing capacity. That's why I went with the V8 in the 4Runner instead of the V6. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"HK" wrote in message ... I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the back seats the extended cab models offer. I live on a fairly narrow city street with sidewalks and parking on both sides. We have seniors roaming around with walkers/rollators, dog walkers, young people etc passing by on a regular basis. My towing needs are very light but I need a shorter vehicle for maneuverability and superior all around visibility for regular use. My next vehicle (March 2009) will probably be the Toyota Rav4 with the 4 cylinder auto. I can always get a light utility trailer for hauling bulky stuff. Then again, if I move to a bigger boat...I may get the 6 cyl. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve" wrote: Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country. If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until the last fool in the country finally dies. Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry is controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of Directors. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:26:45 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: My Son in Laws Tundra and it is 5 years old, seems tinny and does not ride as nice as my 2500 Silverado. Reliable truck, but not as nice as mine. I have a 6 year old Tundra and there is nothing tinny about it. Gives the tinny feel when driving it. |
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On Dec 31, 11:06�am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:26:45 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: My Son in Laws Tundra and it is 5 years old, seems tinny and does not ride as nice as my 2500 Silverado. �Reliable truck, but not as nice as mine. I have a 6 year old Tundra and there is nothing tinny about it. Gives the tinny feel when driving it. That's why there are many brands of trucks, boats, etc. available. A lot of qualities are subjective. What seems tinny to you may seem substantial to somebody else, and vice-versa. |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the back seats the extended cab models offer. I live on a fairly narrow city street with sidewalks and parking on both sides. We have seniors roaming around with walkers/rollators, dog walkers, young people etc passing by on a regular basis. My towing needs are very light but I need a shorter vehicle for maneuverability and superior all around visibility for regular use. My next vehicle (March 2009) will probably be the Toyota Rav4 with the 4 cylinder auto. I can always get a light utility trailer for hauling bulky stuff. Then again, if I move to a bigger boat...I may get the 6 cyl. Yeah, I can dig that. I just loke the extra space inside of the bigger cab, and the smaller V8 seems more than adequate to me. It's the engine I had in the last Tundra I had, and the engine in my 4Runner. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... On Dec 31, 11:06?am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:26:45 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: My Son in Laws Tundra and it is 5 years old, seems tinny and does not ride as nice as my 2500 Silverado. ?Reliable truck, but not as nice as mine. I have a 6 year old Tundra and there is nothing tinny about it. Gives the tinny feel when driving it. That's why there are many brands of trucks, boats, etc. available. A lot of qualities are subjective. What seems tinny to you may seem substantial to somebody else, and vice-versa. My daughter also thought the same thing after using my pickup. We traded pickups for a week or so, so I could go get there new camper installed. |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the back seats the extended cab models offer. I live on a fairly narrow city street with sidewalks and parking on both sides. We have seniors roaming around with walkers/rollators, dog walkers, young people etc passing by on a regular basis. My towing needs are very light but I need a shorter vehicle for maneuverability and superior all around visibility for regular use. My next vehicle (March 2009) will probably be the Toyota Rav4 with the 4 cylinder auto. I can always get a light utility trailer for hauling bulky stuff. Then again, if I move to a bigger boat...I may get the 6 cyl. Did you run that by your son? |
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HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the back seats the extended cab models offer. I live on a fairly narrow city street with sidewalks and parking on both sides. We have seniors roaming around with walkers/rollators, dog walkers, young people etc passing by on a regular basis. My towing needs are very light but I need a shorter vehicle for maneuverability and superior all around visibility for regular use. My next vehicle (March 2009) will probably be the Toyota Rav4 with the 4 cylinder auto. I can always get a light utility trailer for hauling bulky stuff. Then again, if I move to a bigger boat...I may get the 6 cyl. Yeah, I can dig that. I just loke the extra space inside of the bigger cab, and the smaller V8 seems more than adequate to me. It's the engine I had in the last Tundra I had, and the engine in my 4Runner. Adequacy? Did you ever consider that a larger engine will offer better fuel economy *and* better performance at the same time? Of course not. Buy American, Harry! Your minions demand it! |
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"Dan" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I'm kinda looking at one, but I don't see any need for the 5.7 liter engine for my purposes. The regular cab models, though, aren't that appealing to be because there's really no inside storage without the back seats the extended cab models offer. I live on a fairly narrow city street with sidewalks and parking on both sides. We have seniors roaming around with walkers/rollators, dog walkers, young people etc passing by on a regular basis. My towing needs are very light but I need a shorter vehicle for maneuverability and superior all around visibility for regular use. My next vehicle (March 2009) will probably be the Toyota Rav4 with the 4 cylinder auto. I can always get a light utility trailer for hauling bulky stuff. Then again, if I move to a bigger boat...I may get the 6 cyl. Did you run that by your son? Run this, Dingy Boy. |
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