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"John H." wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:21:18 -0500, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?
What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?
Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.
Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd
have
eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot,
etc.


The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an
overhead projector and transparencies to understand this?




A tip of the hat to you, "Joe." You have much more tolerance for reading
the sort of nonsense Herring posts than I do.

I owned a "modern" F150 for a couple of years, and found it to be a
decent truck. I traded it on on a Toyota Tundra and found the latter to
be far superior in every way, including quality of parts, fit, finish,
"ride," handling and much more. I've been toying with the idea of
trading in my 4Runner soon, and a new Tundra is on the short list.

Yeah, Joe. When I posted good comments about Tundras, they were nonsense.
Now Harry is considering one. So there.

Apparently both you guys missed the relevant discussion.


No. You commented on the price, which didn't matter because he didn't like
the products. So, researching rebates is irrelevant. I can get a hot deal on
certain basses right now at Guitar Center, and there's a one year/no
payments deal, too. But, I don't like the basses they have on sale.

Get it?

I am so ashamed...
 

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:36:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:21:18 -0500, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:05:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:28:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:


You mean the 'comparably equipped' didn't run you $8-10K more for the
Toyota?
What part about rebates and dropping price because they had too many
trucks on the lot didn't you understand?

Didn't we go through that little discussion here a week or so ago?
Yes we did and based on sticker on comparable 1/2 ton pickups, my
statement stands on it's own.
Tom, if you'd waited and looked at any of the American trucks, you'd
have
eventually found the same discounts because of too many on the lot,
etc.


The price doesn't matter if he doesn't like the products. Do you need an
overhead projector and transparencies to understand this?




A tip of the hat to you, "Joe." You have much more tolerance for reading
the sort of nonsense Herring posts than I do.

I owned a "modern" F150 for a couple of years, and found it to be a
decent truck. I traded it on on a Toyota Tundra and found the latter to
be far superior in every way, including quality of parts, fit, finish,
"ride," handling and much more. I've been toying with the idea of
trading in my 4Runner soon, and a new Tundra is on the short list.

Yeah, Joe. When I posted good comments about Tundras, they were nonsense.
Now Harry is considering one. So there.

Apparently both you guys missed the relevant discussion.


No. You commented on the price, which didn't matter because he didn't like
the products. So, researching rebates is irrelevant. I can get a hot deal on
certain basses right now at Guitar Center, and there's a one year/no
payments deal, too. But, I don't like the basses they have on sale.

Get it?


And you've no idea what you're talking about.

So, hush.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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wrote in message
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The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new
truck
as often.



and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to charge
the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring.....
especially up here.

I am so ashamed...
 

Don White wrote:
wrote in message
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The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new
truck
as often.



and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to charge
the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring.....
especially up here.




He actually bought a Tundra or ...?

I am so ashamed...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
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The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new
truck
as often.



and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to
charge the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring.....
especially up here.


He actually bought a Tundra or ...?

I am so ashamed...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...

The downside of the Toyota is that you won't have an excuse to buy a new
truck
as often.



and Tom will feel real bad when he does decide to sell it and has to
charge the outrageous inflated re-sale prices they usually bring.....
especially up here.


He actually bought a Tundra or ...?


He didn't actually spit it out... but i'm betting he did.
quote:
"Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue."

I am so ashamed...
 

On Dec 29, 10:58*pm, Larry wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote :

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly.

My friend Dan hauls his 40' 5th Wheel with one of these:

http://sportchassis.com/

It's base is a Ford F-750 monster with Cummins diesel V-8.

Even the HUMMERS get the hell out of your way when you tailgate them!
Just seeing its GRILLE in your rearview mirror, looming over your
Escalade Pimpmobile, strikes fear in the rappers' hearts!

It's great fun to drive around, even without the massive camper mansion,
with its THREE electrically-expandable rooms and electric patio that
unfolds in front of the door, complete with steps and handrail....(c;http://www.kingoftheroadrv.com/crown...ry/default.htm
The "camper", as he calls it, has TWELVE wheels...Six Duals!
I asked him if he notifies bridge officials before putting that much
weight on large bridges...(c;

This is what happens when your wife gets fed up with hauling groceries
down to your Hatteras 56 FBMY....(c; *BEWARE!

Larry
--http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY!
1yearchg * * * *+204.60 * * * * * * * * +32.26%
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

Nuts with it.

i always wanted one of these!

http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg

I am so ashamed...
 

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 29, 10:58 pm, Larry wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote
:

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly.

My friend Dan hauls his 40' 5th Wheel with one of these:

http://sportchassis.com/

It's base is a Ford F-750 monster with Cummins diesel V-8.

Even the HUMMERS get the hell out of your way when you tailgate them!
Just seeing its GRILLE in your rearview mirror, looming over your
Escalade Pimpmobile, strikes fear in the rappers' hearts!

It's great fun to drive around, even without the massive camper mansion,
with its THREE electrically-expandable rooms and electric patio that
unfolds in front of the door, complete with steps and
handrail....(c;http://www.kingoftheroadrv.com/crown...ry/default.htm
The "camper", as he calls it, has TWELVE wheels...Six Duals!
I asked him if he notifies bridge officials before putting that much
weight on large bridges...(c;

This is what happens when your wife gets fed up with hauling groceries
down to your Hatteras 56 FBMY....(c; BEWARE!

Larry
--http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY!
1yearchg +204.60 +32.26%
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

Nuts with it.

i always wanted one of these!

http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg

That's old WW2 junk.
We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets
every summer......
http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/

I am so ashamed...
 

On Dec 30, 3:04*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Dec 29, 10:58 pm, Larry wrote:





Short Wave Sportfishing wrote
:

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly.

My friend Dan hauls his 40' 5th Wheel with one of these:

http://sportchassis.com/

It's base is a Ford F-750 monster with Cummins diesel V-8.

Even the HUMMERS get the hell out of your way when you tailgate them!
Just seeing its GRILLE in your rearview mirror, looming over your
Escalade Pimpmobile, strikes fear in the rappers' hearts!

It's great fun to drive around, even without the massive camper mansion,
with its THREE electrically-expandable rooms and electric patio that
unfolds in front of the door, complete with steps and
handrail....(c;http://www.kingoftheroadrv.com/crown...ry/default.htm
The "camper", as he calls it, has TWELVE wheels...Six Duals!
I asked him if he notifies bridge officials before putting that much
weight on large bridges...(c;

This is what happens when your wife gets fed up with hauling groceries
down to your Hatteras 56 FBMY....(c; BEWARE!

Larry
--http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY!
1yearchg +204.60 +32.26%
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

Nuts with it.

i always wanted one of these!

http://www.rongeorge.com/albums/ww2armorref/DUKW_1.jpg

That's old WW2 junk.
We have a bunch of Viet Nam era Lark V vehicles clogging up our streets
every summer......http://www.murphysonthewater.com/harbourhopper/- Hide quoted text -

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It MAY be old ww2 junk, but that "junk" in restored condition (as we;;
as the Lark V) is worth more than that overgrown semi-pickup Larry is
braging about..

I am so ashamed...
 

On Dec 29, 9:34*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:h0tdn3hnrtf1guphpucrukk9ktr2abopfg@4ax .com...





On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:43:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in
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@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!

That's an impressive demonstration. *Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over
time,
even though I am sure both frames are hardened. *Probably not anywhere
near
it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to
mind.

By comparison, the Ford suspension is stiffer certainly. *And I
suppose that over time and heavy at-the-limits carrying capacity, it
probably is meaningful. *But you have to remember that the test is
designed to show "flex" but how often do you load one corner of the
pickup at the max to make it flex like that? *The object of load
carrying is to level or center the loads - not put all the weight on
one corner.

On the other hand, I would be interested in seeing what that torture
test track test would look like with the trucks loaded to their
maximums. *An empty pickup truck is going to bounce - some more than
others.

That's not what I was really interested in though. *I wanted to
compare HD trucks side-by-each in a tow test. *I half made up my mind
to get another F-250 when Mrs. Wave said one of her collegues husbands
sold Toyotas - why not try one of those?

I did and was sold on it's ability to tow which is all I'm interested
in. *And according to the on-board fuel economy computer the lowest
mpg was 13 and the highest 16 on the highway. *Beats the hell out of
my F-150 by comparison at 6 and 10. *And it held speed without
shifting on slopes on the highway. *It was compariably equipped to the
F-150 and in terms of price - about $12,000 cheaper than a XLT Ford
after rebates and a little price haggling helped by the fact that the
dealer hasn't sold a lot of trucks in the past couple of months.

If it will do what I want it to at better gas milage with a bigger
engine swinging bigger gears with the same high end audio and interior
appointments why would I not buy it?

It's got a magic cargo light which, when used correctly, will make
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Yeah, it's called... Illegal!