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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:38:50 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "JG2U" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:06:56 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "JG2U" wrote in message JimH, You really need to remove your nose from John's ass. And he vis-a-vis to you. Actually you have it all wrong as you have not been here long enough to see the real pattern of him puppy dogging all my posts. After he rejected my request to stop it he is now receiving what he deserves. Actually, I have been around this NG for 7-8 years in one form or another. Reggie? Didn't someone already indentify him as Jackoff? You guys may learn to read headers one day, eh? For people who pride themselves in being so computer literate, they sure lack some basic skills. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:56:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Same here - lower voltage and amperage - 10Kv at about an amp. Started at my right wrist and out through my finger tips. What's funny is that every once in a while, the hand feels like it's twitching really fast, but you can't see it. Another interesting side effect is that it never seems to warm up - it always feels like it's cold, but it's not. Weird. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:01:21 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message m... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) After a while I just got used to being the ground. The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other than some minor burns on my fingers. OUCH..... Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-) Wanna bet? :) |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:56:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Same here - lower voltage and amperage - 10Kv at about an amp. Started at my right wrist and out through my finger tips. What's funny is that every once in a while, the hand feels like it's twitching really fast, but you can't see it. Another interesting side effect is that it never seems to warm up - it always feels like it's cold, but it's not. Weird. I saw a magician (I think it was the Mindfreak guy) get hit with 20,000,000 volts, but they never said how many amps. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:01:21 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message om... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) After a while I just got used to being the ground. The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other than some minor burns on my fingers. OUCH..... Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-) Wanna bet? :) Well he damn sure wouldn't admit it! |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:18:03 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:01:21 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message news:lqGdncnIsp2iBujanZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@giganews. com... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) After a while I just got used to being the ground. The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other than some minor burns on my fingers. OUCH..... Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-) Wanna bet? :) Well he damn sure wouldn't admit it! Good point. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:03:46 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:56:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Same here - lower voltage and amperage - 10Kv at about an amp. Started at my right wrist and out through my finger tips. What's funny is that every once in a while, the hand feels like it's twitching really fast, but you can't see it. Another interesting side effect is that it never seems to warm up - it always feels like it's cold, but it's not. Weird. I saw a magician (I think it was the Mindfreak guy) get hit with 20,000,000 volts, but they never said how many amps. I don't know how true this is, but I've been to a trauma seminar where the presenter told of a guy who had 100 Kv go through him at a very low amperage - like milliamps and walked away with only burn marks to show for it. Couldn't prove it by me. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:58:12 -0500, JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:11:04 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:24:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer. Flashback memory time. I don't know *how* many TV sets, mine and friends, that I kept alive for a while longer by painting the flyback transformer with that red, high voltage "Klyptol" stuff. It usually stopped the hissing and squealing for a while but eventually the transformer would carbon track to ground. I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my rear because the high voltage section wasn't discharged. When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is kinda boring. No challenge at all. Eisboch I just gave away a Sony 27" color that I bought in Korea 28 years ago. The color may have faded somewhat, but it was still good. It had been packed and shipped about six times. I can't believe how well that thing was made. Wow, how generous of you...........a 28 year old television. Was that a Christmas gift to your best friend? JimH, You really need to remove your nose from John's ass. And he vis-a-vis to you. Not sure what the vis-a-vis means, but I've not responded to JimH in a few days now. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:03:46 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:56:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Same here - lower voltage and amperage - 10Kv at about an amp. Started at my right wrist and out through my finger tips. What's funny is that every once in a while, the hand feels like it's twitching really fast, but you can't see it. Another interesting side effect is that it never seems to warm up - it always feels like it's cold, but it's not. Weird. I saw a magician (I think it was the Mindfreak guy) get hit with 20,000,000 volts, but they never said how many amps. I don't know how true this is, but I've been to a trauma seminar where the presenter told of a guy who had 100 Kv go through him at a very low amperage - like milliamps and walked away with only burn marks to show for it. Couldn't prove it by me. I am sorry, I just checked again and he only claimed it was 3 million volts and he wore a Faraday cage (sp). I don't know if it is real or not but here is the video: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oid=21136 431 |
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: In deflection circuits I designed the FBT had a bleeder resistor, to improve regulation and discharge the CRT. Yeah, but the bleeders were such high resistance the HV usually destroyed them within a short time. They were just open spark gaps after that...(c; Larry -- I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12. My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month. Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations? |
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"Eisboch" wrote in
: The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. I got mine aboard USS Everglades (AD-24), the tender I spent over 3 years on in the 1960's. Radio 2 had TBK, TBL, TBM and TCS transmitters from WW2 on them, still. TBK's were powered from Ship's 110V DC off a steam- powered generator, that also ran the on-deck winches. I had a TBK tagged out, logged out for maintenance to fix the broken one, also tagged out properly, making resistance measurements on the HV DC generator on the good one when an idiot RM2 fired off the genset dispite the tagout. I woke up a couple of hours later in sick bay staring into my captain's worried face next to my chief. The RM2 made RMSM before his transfer went through. My tags were treated with more respect in Radio Central after that. My captain was NOT amused. That generator was rated at 1.5A 3KV continuous duty. I don't know how much current it was capable of when you were between HV and the chassis of it. I can attest it was "substantial". Two fingers were burned and had no feeling for over a year. Loved those old TBKs. I could call Test Control on Sullivan's Island on 2150 from half way across the Atlantic on 'em with CW and get an immediate answer of 5-9-9 almost any night to/from the Med...(c; The AM modulators were added later and were big bulkhead-mounted audio power amps in that 3000VDC line from the genset. The air around the longwires glowed blue if you tuned 'em up right....(c; Larry -- I was WB4THE in those days, the only ham aboard. My comm officer hated my guts because our captain thought it was funny to rush into Radio Central and demand to talk to Charleston from Gibraltar, immediately. Of course, that wasn't gonna happen on a 500W URC-32 into a 32' whip through a tuner so inefficient it had to have a cooling fan. "I'm sorry, Sir. We don't have direct comms with Charleston.", he'd tell our captain. "That's crap!", our captain would tell him, "I was just talking to my wife on James Island through ET1 Butler's Heathkit ham station back in the cal lab through his buddy's phone patch!" Hence the comm officer's hatred.....(c; My homebrew KW amp looked exactly like a Hewlett-Packard 524D freq counter in the cal lab's rack! Even the neon numbers read 000000000. |
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: Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-) Marines are terrified of Tesla coils....(c; Larry -- I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12. My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month. Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in
: I don't know how true this is, but I've been to a trauma seminar where the presenter told of a guy who had 100 Kv go through him at a very low amperage - like milliamps and walked away with only burn marks to show for it. Couldn't prove it by me. Voltage means nothing. Current kills. Here's what a few million volts looks like going through a man with no ill effects: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iO7j5LKmd3I The only danger is getting an arc HEAT burn, which is why he doesn't arc it to his fingers...(c; The Death Cage. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zi4kXgDBFhw Of course, inside the cage it doesn't go through you....much. And the Oklahoma Grandaddy of them all... http://youtube.com/watch?v=FY-AS13fl30 The Griffith Observatory's Tesla Coil is very educational... http://youtube.com/watch?v=PpBO019hVsc Larry -- Notice - RF is very dangerous to your health so don't put your SELLphone up to your ear as it will cook your brain.....right? |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:03:46 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:56:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Same here - lower voltage and amperage - 10Kv at about an amp. Started at my right wrist and out through my finger tips. What's funny is that every once in a while, the hand feels like it's twitching really fast, but you can't see it. Another interesting side effect is that it never seems to warm up - it always feels like it's cold, but it's not. Weird. I saw a magician (I think it was the Mindfreak guy) get hit with 20,000,000 volts, but they never said how many amps. I don't know how true this is, but I've been to a trauma seminar where the presenter told of a guy who had 100 Kv go through him at a very low amperage - like milliamps and walked away with only burn marks to show for it. Couldn't prove it by me. I am sorry, I just checked again and he only claimed it was 3 million volts and he wore a Faraday cage (sp). I don't know if it is real or not but here is the video: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oid=21136 431 This series of posts defines you Reggie. You make a claim based on what you call first hand evidence but obviously based only on misreading the real facts presented in your quick Google search on the internet. You are challenged. You then back peddle and edit your initial claims, with your edited *facts* being worlds apart from your original facts. Once again............you relied on your friend Google. So back to you original and then edited claim...........you really saw that, eh? ok, whatever you say. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:18:03 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:01:21 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message news:lqGdncnIsp2iBujanZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@giganews .com... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) After a while I just got used to being the ground. The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other than some minor burns on my fingers. OUCH..... Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-) Wanna bet? :) Well he damn sure wouldn't admit it! Good point. Air Force guy used a defective meter probe, was actually a strange design one with a ring partway back from the tip. Checking the 400V DC on an airborne radar unit, I connected to the 400V. Luckily I missed the work benches as I made it about 20' from the unit when every muscle in the body twitched. No lasting damage, but I hurt bad for about 3 days. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:03:46 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:56:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Same here - lower voltage and amperage - 10Kv at about an amp. Started at my right wrist and out through my finger tips. What's funny is that every once in a while, the hand feels like it's twitching really fast, but you can't see it. Another interesting side effect is that it never seems to warm up - it always feels like it's cold, but it's not. Weird. I saw a magician (I think it was the Mindfreak guy) get hit with 20,000,000 volts, but they never said how many amps. I don't know how true this is, but I've been to a trauma seminar where the presenter told of a guy who had 100 Kv go through him at a very low amperage - like milliamps and walked away with only burn marks to show for it. Couldn't prove it by me. Guy in my reserve unit was a electric company technician. Fell off a ladder at a substation and barely survived landing on a big capacitor. Burned a large hole in his chest. I can remember the the GE road show coming to my highschool and they generated lots of volts and not amps as a static charge and did not kill anybody. Made the hair standup. |
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"JG2U" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:56:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message om... That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) After a while I just got used to being the ground. The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other than some minor burns on my fingers. Eisboch Yep... I got bit by a cheap RF amp back in the CB days. No bleeders on the HV section of a 500 watt amp. Knocked me back a few feet, burns on my fingers where it entered and exited, and my arm hurt for a few days. I learned the ground jumper / screwdiver trick, and practiced it after that. In tech school we ran the TACAN on low power, which was 3000V on the tube caps. And lots of current. We turned down the power on the drawer before opening and then used a shorting bar to make sure all the caps were discharged. One day the Vietnamese MAP student started discharging the caps and sparks flying everywhere. Had not turned off the power. And this guy had absolutely no business dealing in electricity. Was totally clueless. Did not even notice things were different with the sparks flying. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in : In deflection circuits I designed the FBT had a bleeder resistor, to improve regulation and discharge the CRT. Yeah, but the bleeders were such high resistance the HV usually destroyed them within a short time. They were just open spark gaps after that...(c; Larry -- I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12. My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month. Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations? Huh? The bleeders were 200M ohm in a monochrome display, and no, they did not destroy themselves within a short time. The resistors are made with carbon ink deposited on a ceramic substrate. The resistor is potted within the FBT. Never had one fail and I'm sure they are still working just fine 20 plus years later. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:58:33 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:18:03 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:01:21 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message news:lqGdncnIsp2iBujanZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@giganew s.com... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) After a while I just got used to being the ground. The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other than some minor burns on my fingers. OUCH..... Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-) Wanna bet? :) Well he damn sure wouldn't admit it! Good point. Air Force guy used a defective meter probe, was actually a strange design one with a ring partway back from the tip. Checking the 400V DC on an airborne radar unit, I connected to the 400V. Luckily I missed the work benches as I made it about 20' from the unit when every muscle in the body twitched. No lasting damage, but I hurt bad for about 3 days. My youngest son had to go through taser training a couple of months ago. First you have to zap yourself, then have somebody zap you. Said it the pain was unbelievable - took at least a couple of days to work out the kinks. |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:13:23 +0000, Larry wrote:
Voltage means nothing. Current kills. Yes Larry - I think we are all smart enough with some experience in the area to understand that amps kill. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... I got mine aboard USS Everglades (AD-24), the tender I spent over 3 years on in the 1960's. Radio 2 had TBK, TBL, TBM and TCS transmitters from WW2 on them, still. I remember the Everglades. It was still in commission when I was on my first DE in 1969. Those DE's had three old AN/FRT-39 transmitters plus a pair of newer and smaller transmitters with auto tuning that I can't remember the name of. UCC something, I think. The first DE I was on, USS VanVoorhis (DE-2028) also became a test bed for "Sat Nav", the early version of GPS. I think this would have been in 1969 or '70, but my brain doesn't remember all the details any more. Eisboch |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:13:23 +0000, Larry wrote: Voltage means nothing. Current kills. Yes Larry - I think we are all smart enough with some experience in the area to understand that amps kill. Larry has been hit with hundreds of of high voltage, low amp electrical shocks, and it has never hurt him. ;) |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:44:33 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message om... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my rear because the high voltage section wasn't discharged. When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is kinda boring. No challenge at all. Eisboch In deflection circuits I designed the FBT had a bleeder resistor, to improve regulation and discharge the CRT. Yeah, I remember the bleeder resistors. Where were they when you needed one? I also recall trying to do gross convergence adjustments using the rings on the yoke. Always half expected to find myself on my ass on the floor again. Eisboch Eisboch That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) ??? Satire.... |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:50:47 +0000, Larry wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in m: Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-) Marines are terrified of Tesla coils....(c; Larry If they've been to Vietnam, they know the damn things are poisonous as hell! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My youngest son had to go through taser training a couple of months ago. First you have to zap yourself, then have somebody zap you. Said it the pain was unbelievable - took at least a couple of days to work out the kinks. A lot of controversy about tazers up here..after a well publized incident in the Vancouver airport and a couple of local deaths. http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/...rt-dziekanski/ |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My youngest son had to go through taser training a couple of months ago. First you have to zap yourself, then have somebody zap you. Said it the pain was unbelievable - took at least a couple of days to work out the kinks. A lot of controversy about tazers up here..after a well publized incident in the Vancouver airport and a couple of local deaths. http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/...rt-dziekanski/ I think the damned things ought to be recalled and stored in a big warehouse somewhere with electronic voting machines. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:04:27 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:44:33 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message news:_6idnQX3AdbTGOjanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@giganews .com... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my rear because the high voltage section wasn't discharged. When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is kinda boring. No challenge at all. Eisboch In deflection circuits I designed the FBT had a bleeder resistor, to improve regulation and discharge the CRT. Yeah, I remember the bleeder resistors. Where were they when you needed one? I also recall trying to do gross convergence adjustments using the rings on the yoke. Always half expected to find myself on my ass on the floor again. Eisboch Eisboch That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-) ??? Satire.... I missed the "smiley" 8-) |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... My youngest son had to go through taser training a couple of months ago. First you have to zap yourself, then have somebody zap you. Said it the pain was unbelievable - took at least a couple of days to work out the kinks. A lot of controversy about tazers up here..after a well publized incident in the Vancouver airport and a couple of local deaths. http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2007/...rt-dziekanski/ I think the damned things ought to be recalled and stored in a big warehouse somewhere with electronic voting machines. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Then just shoot them with the Gl;ock .40? |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:03:03 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:56:33 -0500, HK wrote: Larry wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in : Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done pretty well: http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...poration-Compa ny-History.html Eisboch Hey, these same people buying Bose are buying Apple iPhones, which are also crap. Larry All I want from a cellphone is a strong signal wherever I am, long battery life, a volume control that provides plenty of gain so I can hear what is being said in noisy places, and a way to easily store and retrieve the phone numbers I call. I don't want no steeeenking camera, video games, internet access or instant messaging, or any of the other crap. Concentrate on the damned phone as a phone, dammit. Yeah, cell phones are as pointless as a GPS. Nobody needs one. Use a payphone if you need to call someone! Payphone? http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...ON02/712110315 I guess satire is beyond your limited imagination. Sorry to wake you from your nap, Bill. Just pointing out Payphones are an anachronism. Figured you were napping when the story appeared. |
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: Those DE's had three old AN/FRT-39 transmitters plus a pair of newer and smaller transmitters with auto tuning that I can't remember the name of. UCC something, I think. AN/URT-23(A). The transmitter was a low powered lookalike for the R-1051 receiver and had a 400-cycle, 3-phase 480VAC powered pair of 4CX1500 ceramic tetrodes feeding a giant turrent of 1 Mhz tuning circuits that was motor driven. Typical military operation, 5000 watts in, 500 watts out. It was tied to the tuning in the little transmitter. Navy and CG is still using it. I got paid big money from a Navy Benny Sugg I submitted. The 400 Hz cooling fan in the AM-2123 amp sounded like a 747 with all 4 engines wide open for heavy takeoff just deafening radiomen. CG had a solution with this little plastic right-angled cover that had soft foam to muffle the sound inside it some contractor got rich off of. My Sugg was for the Navy to buy it, making Radio LOTS quieter. NAVSEA agreed as the solution was not too technical for their bureaucrats to understand. I don't remember what the check was, but it was thousands...(c; The first DE I was on, USS VanVoorhis (DE-2028) also became a test bed for "Sat Nav", the early version of GPS. I think this would have been in 1969 or '70, but my brain doesn't remember all the details any more. That would have been Omega, I believe, a GPS predecessor. It worked, but GPS was much improved. I was on Everglades from 66 to 69, finally transferred off to MINELANT, CHARLESTON to start a new Qualification Lab with one other cal tech at Mine Force Support Group, Atlantic on the S end of the Navy Base Charleston by the MINELANT HQ and MSO piers. MSO HF transmitters had a "grounditis" problem on the wooden ships. Everything, of course, had to have these huge ground straps to all metal rails and anything else they could ground tied to the bilges. They were GREAT HF antennas! One sailor was nearly killed when someone keyed the URC-32's 500W HF RTTY mode because he was between two differently- grounded handrails. At this frequency, one handrail had several hundred volts DIFFERENCE with the other one because of the different ground paths making HF antennas, open on the top as far as HF was concerned. IT fried his hands! The ham in the shop, I was called on to help figure out why. After looking at the stupid grounding system meant to keep 60 Hz grounded, it was easy to spot. I added an RF choke across a gap in each ground strap right at the handrail and it vanished.....another benny sugg submitted...another fine check of the taxpayer's money quickly cashed... (c; They sent me to the MED on an MSO just to get rid of me for a while. Chow lines are short on MSOs offshore! They only have a 6-7' draft, you know! No stabilizing mainsail, either! God that thing could get rid of diesel fuel quickly in those twin Packard monsters.... Larry -- http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html 9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY! 1yearchg +204.60 +32.26% When does a "slide" become a "crash"? |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in : Those DE's had three old AN/FRT-39 transmitters plus a pair of newer and smaller transmitters with auto tuning that I can't remember the name of. UCC something, I think. AN/URT-23(A). The transmitter was a low powered lookalike for the R-1051 receiver and had a 400-cycle, 3-phase 480VAC powered pair of 4CX1500 ceramic tetrodes feeding a giant turrent of 1 Mhz tuning circuits that was motor driven. Typical military operation, 5000 watts in, 500 watts out. It was tied to the tuning in the little transmitter. Navy and CG is still using it. I got paid big money from a Navy Benny Sugg I submitted. The 400 Hz cooling fan in the AM-2123 amp sounded like a 747 with all 4 engines wide open for heavy takeoff just deafening radiomen. CG had a solution with this little plastic right-angled cover that had soft foam to muffle the sound inside it some contractor got rich off of. My Sugg was for the Navy to buy it, making Radio LOTS quieter. NAVSEA agreed as the solution was not too technical for their bureaucrats to understand. I don't remember what the check was, but it was thousands...(c; The first DE I was on, USS VanVoorhis (DE-2028) also became a test bed for "Sat Nav", the early version of GPS. I think this would have been in 1969 or '70, but my brain doesn't remember all the details any more. That would have been Omega, I believe, a GPS predecessor. It worked, but GPS was much improved. I was on Everglades from 66 to 69, finally transferred off to MINELANT, CHARLESTON to start a new Qualification Lab with one other cal tech at Mine Force Support Group, Atlantic on the S end of the Navy Base Charleston by the MINELANT HQ and MSO piers. MSO HF transmitters had a "grounditis" problem on the wooden ships. Everything, of course, had to have these huge ground straps to all metal rails and anything else they could ground tied to the bilges. They were GREAT HF antennas! One sailor was nearly killed when someone keyed the URC-32's 500W HF RTTY mode because he was between two differently- grounded handrails. At this frequency, one handrail had several hundred volts DIFFERENCE with the other one because of the different ground paths making HF antennas, open on the top as far as HF was concerned. IT fried his hands! The ham in the shop, I was called on to help figure out why. After looking at the stupid grounding system meant to keep 60 Hz grounded, it was easy to spot. I added an RF choke across a gap in each ground strap right at the handrail and it vanished.....another benny sugg submitted...another fine check of the taxpayer's money quickly cashed... (c; They sent me to the MED on an MSO just to get rid of me for a while. Chow lines are short on MSOs offshore! They only have a 6-7' draft, you know! No stabilizing mainsail, either! God that thing could get rid of diesel fuel quickly in those twin Packard monsters.... Larry I think I know you. Or someone just like you. Us common, lowly ET types don't quickly forget the Navy's "SuperTechs". Eisboch :-) |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:18:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message .. . "Eisboch" wrote in : Those DE's had three old AN/FRT-39 transmitters plus a pair of newer and smaller transmitters with auto tuning that I can't remember the name of. UCC something, I think. AN/URT-23(A). The transmitter was a low powered lookalike for the R-1051 receiver and had a 400-cycle, 3-phase 480VAC powered pair of 4CX1500 ceramic tetrodes feeding a giant turrent of 1 Mhz tuning circuits that was motor driven. Typical military operation, 5000 watts in, 500 watts out. It was tied to the tuning in the little transmitter. Navy and CG is still using it. I got paid big money from a Navy Benny Sugg I submitted. The 400 Hz cooling fan in the AM-2123 amp sounded like a 747 with all 4 engines wide open for heavy takeoff just deafening radiomen. CG had a solution with this little plastic right-angled cover that had soft foam to muffle the sound inside it some contractor got rich off of. My Sugg was for the Navy to buy it, making Radio LOTS quieter. NAVSEA agreed as the solution was not too technical for their bureaucrats to understand. I don't remember what the check was, but it was thousands...(c; The first DE I was on, USS VanVoorhis (DE-2028) also became a test bed for "Sat Nav", the early version of GPS. I think this would have been in 1969 or '70, but my brain doesn't remember all the details any more. That would have been Omega, I believe, a GPS predecessor. It worked, but GPS was much improved. I was on Everglades from 66 to 69, finally transferred off to MINELANT, CHARLESTON to start a new Qualification Lab with one other cal tech at Mine Force Support Group, Atlantic on the S end of the Navy Base Charleston by the MINELANT HQ and MSO piers. MSO HF transmitters had a "grounditis" problem on the wooden ships. Everything, of course, had to have these huge ground straps to all metal rails and anything else they could ground tied to the bilges. They were GREAT HF antennas! One sailor was nearly killed when someone keyed the URC-32's 500W HF RTTY mode because he was between two differently- grounded handrails. At this frequency, one handrail had several hundred volts DIFFERENCE with the other one because of the different ground paths making HF antennas, open on the top as far as HF was concerned. IT fried his hands! The ham in the shop, I was called on to help figure out why. After looking at the stupid grounding system meant to keep 60 Hz grounded, it was easy to spot. I added an RF choke across a gap in each ground strap right at the handrail and it vanished.....another benny sugg submitted...another fine check of the taxpayer's money quickly cashed... (c; They sent me to the MED on an MSO just to get rid of me for a while. Chow lines are short on MSOs offshore! They only have a 6-7' draft, you know! No stabilizing mainsail, either! God that thing could get rid of diesel fuel quickly in those twin Packard monsters.... I think I know you. Or someone just like you. Us common, lowly ET types don't quickly forget the Navy's "SuperTechs". Sounds like Larry was the Navy's go to guy for tough problems. |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:51:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:18:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message . .. "Eisboch" wrote in : Those DE's had three old AN/FRT-39 transmitters plus a pair of newer and smaller transmitters with auto tuning that I can't remember the name of. UCC something, I think. AN/URT-23(A). The transmitter was a low powered lookalike for the R-1051 receiver and had a 400-cycle, 3-phase 480VAC powered pair of 4CX1500 ceramic tetrodes feeding a giant turrent of 1 Mhz tuning circuits that was motor driven. Typical military operation, 5000 watts in, 500 watts out. It was tied to the tuning in the little transmitter. Navy and CG is still using it. I got paid big money from a Navy Benny Sugg I submitted. The 400 Hz cooling fan in the AM-2123 amp sounded like a 747 with all 4 engines wide open for heavy takeoff just deafening radiomen. CG had a solution with this little plastic right-angled cover that had soft foam to muffle the sound inside it some contractor got rich off of. My Sugg was for the Navy to buy it, making Radio LOTS quieter. NAVSEA agreed as the solution was not too technical for their bureaucrats to understand. I don't remember what the check was, but it was thousands...(c; The first DE I was on, USS VanVoorhis (DE-2028) also became a test bed for "Sat Nav", the early version of GPS. I think this would have been in 1969 or '70, but my brain doesn't remember all the details any more. That would have been Omega, I believe, a GPS predecessor. It worked, but GPS was much improved. I was on Everglades from 66 to 69, finally transferred off to MINELANT, CHARLESTON to start a new Qualification Lab with one other cal tech at Mine Force Support Group, Atlantic on the S end of the Navy Base Charleston by the MINELANT HQ and MSO piers. MSO HF transmitters had a "grounditis" problem on the wooden ships. Everything, of course, had to have these huge ground straps to all metal rails and anything else they could ground tied to the bilges. They were GREAT HF antennas! One sailor was nearly killed when someone keyed the URC-32's 500W HF RTTY mode because he was between two differently- grounded handrails. At this frequency, one handrail had several hundred volts DIFFERENCE with the other one because of the different ground paths making HF antennas, open on the top as far as HF was concerned. IT fried his hands! The ham in the shop, I was called on to help figure out why. After looking at the stupid grounding system meant to keep 60 Hz grounded, it was easy to spot. I added an RF choke across a gap in each ground strap right at the handrail and it vanished.....another benny sugg submitted...another fine check of the taxpayer's money quickly cashed... (c; They sent me to the MED on an MSO just to get rid of me for a while. Chow lines are short on MSOs offshore! They only have a 6-7' draft, you know! No stabilizing mainsail, either! God that thing could get rid of diesel fuel quickly in those twin Packard monsters.... I think I know you. Or someone just like you. Us common, lowly ET types don't quickly forget the Navy's "SuperTechs". Sounds like Larry was the Navy's go to guy for tough problems. Only for the pansy stuff. I did the boilers. --Vic |
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"Eisboch" wrote in
: I think I know you. Or someone just like you. Us common, lowly ET types don't quickly forget the Navy's "SuperTechs". Eisboch :-) Hmm.. Fat kid, kinda short and unmilitary, but always willing and able to solve the problems the division officer's pets created? Das me! Just follow the longwire with the biggest corona back to Radio 2 by the 67B cal lab, aft under the helo hangar. Maybe you saw me over in the salvage yard, too! My truck was easy to spot with those wide "Admiral" white sidewall tires and the "NAVY-A-Go- Go" modified sticker in the back window, we made by cutting up the boring "Go NAVY" ones they handed out. I'm the kid sneakin' 25# cans of Navy coffee into various warehouses to trade with the supply civvies. How big a diesel was that you needed? If it's bigger'n an 8V92TA, that'll take a week or two because we gotta make arrangements for the train to haul it for ya. You need a starting battery bank to go along with that 32V system or is yours still in good shape. HMMMMm.....that fan motor sure sounds kinda rough! Lemme see if I can get the boys in the Shop 51 motor shop in the Shipyard to put our work order on top of the pile. They sure liked those shipmade pies I brought 'em when we wanted to get that winch motor rebuilt before the cans left for the Med last month. I'm sure they'll remember us!...(c; Yeah, that was probably me that LT was bitching at about my dirty hat. He'll get his when HIS inspection comes up and HE wants a quicky cal job ahead of the nice guys...(wink)(wink). PFAT CHANCE. I must admit, I loved it all....(c; Our repair officer warned people not to mention to me anything they needed that might have been illegal to procure, for fear it would show up, unexpectedly, on Pier Papa. "We need a new (put something here)." I'd turn and head down to the galley for more coffee and pastries to trade for it. The galley guys appreciated the shiny stainless steel bulkhead covers I got last year! Sooo....easy to clean with a damp cloth. Very pretty. Even the admiral thought so when he saw it! I think the requisition for it said something about submarines and "reactors", whatever that means....?? Those were magic words that could get things done for tin can sailors, too! Larry -- http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html 9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY! 1yearchg +204.60 +32.26% When does a "slide" become a "crash"? |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:23:50 -0500, JG2U wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:09:42 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Only for the pansy stuff. I did the boilers. --Vic Yeah? Can you weld? I need someone to give me some pointers on MIG welding. What MIG? The 17? But I don't weld. Gives you lung cancer and hurts your eyes. Anyway, I turned valves and stuff. Pretty good at it. Only time I talked to the captain was when he sent me to the brig. Oh, and once I tripped him when I was loafing on a work party. Guess he thought that just because he was walking by I was supposed to notice and pull my outstretched legs out his way. Riiiight. Makes you wonder how they put clumsy people in charge of nuclear armed ships, but they do. --Vic |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in
: Sounds like Larry was the Navy's go to guy for tough problems. There were 3 of us. One was a Machinery Repairman 1st, one was a Chief Electrician's Mate and l'il ol' me.....(c; "What size crane are we gonna need to get it off the flatcar onto the pier??" Sometimes "logistics" was more of a problem than "procurement". It was hard to trade for "logistics". A free brand-new 12 cylinder diesel generator isn't any good if you can't get it home. I often thought they gave them to us just to see if we could successfully move them out of salvage.....hee hee. Hmm...we'll need some new switchgear....hmm... I set a 3/4 ton Dodge power wagon on its tailgate with its big wheels sticking up on the main drag in front of the Shipyard power house one day. How embarrassing. There was one too many triwall boxes full of "gifts" in the bed, hanging over the tailgate. I knew it was a little light steering when we left the salvage yard after discovering all those new motors headed for the dump. I backed under the load and we continued, gingerly, back to our stash going easy on the clutch after that....(c; We laughed for hours after pulling it off. Those motors made life on many cans much more bearable that year. FREE always fits in a ship's budget....(c; I loved stuff that "didn't exist" on some database and couldn't be traced. Condition R-4 was SUPPOSED to mean it couldn't be fix and was scrap.....not "traded for coffee" with AD-24. Larry -- http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html 9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY! 1yearchg +204.60 +32.26% When does a "slide" become a "crash"? |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:23:50 -0500, JG2U wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:09:42 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Only for the pansy stuff. I did the boilers. --Vic Yeah? Can you weld? I need someone to give me some pointers on MIG welding. Well, first you have to get some MIGs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...T-99-04977.JPG Then you weld them all together. It's not hard. |
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:38:38 +0000, Larry wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in : Sounds like Larry was the Navy's go to guy for tough problems. There were 3 of us. One was a Machinery Repairman 1st, one was a Chief Electrician's Mate and l'il ol' me.....(c; "What size crane are we gonna need to get it off the flatcar onto the pier??" Sometimes "logistics" was more of a problem than "procurement". It was hard to trade for "logistics". A free brand-new 12 cylinder diesel generator isn't any good if you can't get it home. I often thought they gave them to us just to see if we could successfully move them out of salvage.....hee hee. Hmm...we'll need some new switchgear....hmm... I set a 3/4 ton Dodge power wagon on its tailgate with its big wheels sticking up on the main drag in front of the Shipyard power house one day. How embarrassing. There was one too many triwall boxes full of "gifts" in the bed, hanging over the tailgate. I knew it was a little light steering when we left the salvage yard after discovering all those new motors headed for the dump. I backed under the load and we continued, gingerly, back to our stash going easy on the clutch after that....(c; We laughed for hours after pulling it off. Those motors made life on many cans much more bearable that year. FREE always fits in a ship's budget....(c; I loved stuff that "didn't exist" on some database and couldn't be traced. Condition R-4 was SUPPOSED to mean it couldn't be fix and was scrap.....not "traded for coffee" with AD-24. You know, and I say this as a compliment, reading one of your posts is like reading a Tom Clancy novel. "I picked up the AD-24 which was attached to the UDAP 1525 armature and reversed it in position to the ACT on the LSD parrallel to the TCH-12 which of course multiplied for FOR to the CE and made mil-spec coffee." |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:18:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in : Those DE's had three old AN/FRT-39 transmitters plus a pair of newer and smaller transmitters with auto tuning that I can't remember the name of. UCC something, I think. AN/URT-23(A). The transmitter was a low powered lookalike for the R-1051 receiver and had a 400-cycle, 3-phase 480VAC powered pair of 4CX1500 ceramic tetrodes feeding a giant turrent of 1 Mhz tuning circuits that was motor driven. Typical military operation, 5000 watts in, 500 watts out. It was tied to the tuning in the little transmitter. Navy and CG is still using it. I got paid big money from a Navy Benny Sugg I submitted. The 400 Hz cooling fan in the AM-2123 amp sounded like a 747 with all 4 engines wide open for heavy takeoff just deafening radiomen. CG had a solution with this little plastic right-angled cover that had soft foam to muffle the sound inside it some contractor got rich off of. My Sugg was for the Navy to buy it, making Radio LOTS quieter. NAVSEA agreed as the solution was not too technical for their bureaucrats to understand. I don't remember what the check was, but it was thousands...(c; The first DE I was on, USS VanVoorhis (DE-2028) also became a test bed for "Sat Nav", the early version of GPS. I think this would have been in 1969 or '70, but my brain doesn't remember all the details any more. That would have been Omega, I believe, a GPS predecessor. It worked, but GPS was much improved. I was on Everglades from 66 to 69, finally transferred off to MINELANT, CHARLESTON to start a new Qualification Lab with one other cal tech at Mine Force Support Group, Atlantic on the S end of the Navy Base Charleston by the MINELANT HQ and MSO piers. MSO HF transmitters had a "grounditis" problem on the wooden ships. Everything, of course, had to have these huge ground straps to all metal rails and anything else they could ground tied to the bilges. They were GREAT HF antennas! One sailor was nearly killed when someone keyed the URC-32's 500W HF RTTY mode because he was between two differently- grounded handrails. At this frequency, one handrail had several hundred volts DIFFERENCE with the other one because of the different ground paths making HF antennas, open on the top as far as HF was concerned. IT fried his hands! The ham in the shop, I was called on to help figure out why. After looking at the stupid grounding system meant to keep 60 Hz grounded, it was easy to spot. I added an RF choke across a gap in each ground strap right at the handrail and it vanished.....another benny sugg submitted...another fine check of the taxpayer's money quickly cashed... (c; They sent me to the MED on an MSO just to get rid of me for a while. Chow lines are short on MSOs offshore! They only have a 6-7' draft, you know! No stabilizing mainsail, either! God that thing could get rid of diesel fuel quickly in those twin Packard monsters.... I think I know you. Or someone just like you. Us common, lowly ET types don't quickly forget the Navy's "SuperTechs". Sounds like Larry was the Navy's go to guy for tough problems. How else would he had survived in the military. |
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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:47:59 +0000, Larry wrote: Armed with this information, why would you buy a $5000 stereo receiver that has a frequency response so wonderful it can reproduce 30 Khz to drive the neighbor's ultrasonic-hearing dogs just crazy? You also don't need a $1200 woofer that can reproduce 10-50 Hz, because the only thing down there is turntable rumble and a few heavy trucks rattling FM detector's tuned circuits, in older radios. Shhh...this farce has been successfully sold the the public since WW2. It made many billionaires! Anybody notice that Larry is just like Harry if you change the L and H around? Same attitudes, same theory system - same everything only the focus is different. Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are crap, and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to sound reproduction? Where did he say that? |
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