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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:35:33 -0500, John H. wrote:


"Michael Flatley - Celtic Dance - 01 - Reel Around the Sun.mp3"

I thought he was a dancer.

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wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:04:55 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"JG2U" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:47:59 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Del Cecchi" wrote in
:

And isn't that 44k Bytes per second?

Oh, sorry....44.1K 16-bit SAMPLES per second. Bytes are 8 bit. Here, a
little background reality:
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_cdfaqb.html

Frequency response: 5 to 20,000 Hz +/- 3 dB.
Harmonic distortion: .008 % at 1 KHz.
Dynamic range: Greater than 90 dB.
Signal to noise ratio: Greater than 85 dB.

The frequency response is a dirty lie. That's the DISK frequency
response. If they want to SELL the music on FM radio, they use the RIAA
equalization standard of 50-15000 Hz....which is exactly the audio
bandwidth allowed on FM radio since World War 2 and what's been recorded
on all 33 RPM LPs since the first one was pressed. All the music you
listen to is recorded for FM transmission. Notice the freq response is
+/- 3%, not .3 or .03 or .00001. This means nothing because the worst
instrument in the listening string is YOU and your rotten human
frequency
response. Drop by an audiologist and have your own hearing swept
frequency tested. It's just awful, even if you are 16 and never used
hiphop headphones so loud they could hear you in the next car.

Larry

A couple of corrections...

Nyquist's Theorum says that you must sample audio at a rate of at
least two times the highest frequency you want to recover, our else
aliasing (distortion) will occur. So 20,000 hz times 2 = 40,000. So,
the 44,100 samples per second rate allows up to 20,000 hz to be
recorded and played back. While it's true that most pop music is
recorded with a mix that will sound good on FM radio, the frequency
response on those recordings are not necessarily limited to 15kHz. The
FM transmission by its nature just rolls off anything above 15k in the
source material.

Also, the frequency response is +/- 3dB, not %. 3dB is about the
minimum volume change the human ear can detect in a complex audio
waveform (such as music). While the human ear does not have a flat
frequency response by any means, it CAN detect any changes from the
response curve it is used to hearing. Crank up your bass and treble
control to see what I mean.

What that means is that when you hear the playback of a particular
musical instrument through your sound system, you hear not only the
instrument, but also whatever was added and/or subtracted by the
recording and playback equipment. The less the equipment changes the
sound, the better and more accurate the instrument sounds compared to
the original source. That's why those specification numbers have to
be so good... your ear can hear the coloration that a limited or a
non-flat flat frequency response adds to the source. Even if the
sound is slightly outside of your audible hearing range, studies have
shown that those sounds still contribute to what your brain perceives.

Oh, and TVs don't whine anymore because they figured out ways to
mannufacture them so they are quieter. When one gets noisy I can
still hear it.

This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise
came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.


The windings on the yokes were a major source of high frequency noise.


That too.

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:01:27 -0600, Del Cecchi wrote:


free version supports it. there are also programs to compress flac
and
convert to mp3.

Flac is already compressed, but it's a loss-less compression.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html

Of course. But a flac file is pretty big. Converting to MP3 makes it
considerably smaller is what I was trying to get across. I guess I
should have said "by converting it to mp3" instead of "and
converting...".

del

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:46:59 -0500, JG2U wrote:

Oh, and TVs don't whine anymore because they figured out ways to
mannufacture them so they are quieter. When one gets noisy I can
still hear it

Completely off subject.

Do you have a Japanese Amateur Radio License? :)

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:04:55 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise
came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.

Oh for the days of practical jokes in the TV shop done with flyback
transformers. :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.


That's right. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:04:51 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.

That's right. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

And your point is?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:04:51 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.
I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.
That's right. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

And your point is?


That because a person or entity does some thing that some perceive as
"Good" doesn't mean that same person or entity isn't engaging in
activities that do a lot of harm.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:39:49 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:37:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...


You are talking about "operations." I am talking about Wal-Mart as an
operation, one that violates wage-hour laws, hires illegals and then lies
about it, facilitates the slave labor trade in China.



Frankly, I don't follow those allegations with the vigor that you obviously
do.

The bottom line is that Wal-Mart effectively serves a large part of the
population. I don't go "shopping" often and go to Wal-Mart even less but
when I do I always take note of the number of young families shopping for
necessities for the household or personal needs. They do so because they
need to stretch their buying power and the prices at Wal-Mart are
attractive. I certainly remember those days.

The other day I noticed that a couple of those miniature 12 volt, 10 watt
halogen lights were out on the Navigator.
I stopped by West Marine to pick up half a dozen or so and had sticker shock
at the price. Over 5 bucks each.
I am not exactly a penny-pincher, but I couldn't bring myself to pay that
much for a stupid little light.

Went to our local hardware store and they were priced at about the same.
Now I was on a mission.
Went to Wal-Mart and found a larger stock of the same bulb, in the same
Phillips packaging for almost a dollar less per bulb.

Then, I was hooking up a DLP projector and needed an extra long "S" video
cord. Radio Shack only had 12 footers.
Same with Best Buy and Circuit City. None carried the "S" video barrel
connectors that allow hooking two or more cords together. The guy at
Circuit City turned his head back and forth to make sure we weren't being
overheard and then suggested Wal-Mart. Sure enough, they carried 25 foot
"S" video cords and the hard to find barrel connectors as well.

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

Eisboch


Careful. If you disagree too much, you'll join us in his 'bozo bin'. We who
are so defiled are having a nice time in there, and we don't want it to get
too crowded!

I think the plan is that we ALL make sure we are put in his bozo bin.
That constructively ousts Harry and leaves the rest of us here
participating as always but without his input.


There are a couple here who still find Harry 'enlightening'! But, I like
the idea.

However, he seems to find a way to respond to most of the posts from those
who are in his 'killfile'.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:08:33 -0000, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:35:33 -0500, John H. wrote:


"Michael Flatley - Celtic Dance - 01 - Reel Around the Sun.mp3"

I thought he was a dancer.

He is. This is music used for the dancing. I like the music. I don't like
him, after seeing him in a show.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are crap,
and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to sound
reproduction?

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done pretty
well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html


Eisboch

So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there is a
connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't. Wal-Mart
does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds of
thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the Pentagon.
The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of toothpaste at any
store nationwide is reported to the central computer within an hour of the
sale. Trends are monitored as well as weather forecasts for all areas
because a storm or unusual weather event historically raises the demand
for certain items. The computer data results in extra stock of those
items being shipped to the affected area from several distribution
centers, days before the storm system arrives.

Eisboch




There sucess is partly because they teamed up with NCR Corporation in the
early days with their point of sale systems and the software that tracked
sales. They still team up with NCR. Part of the reporting, is to allow
Walmart to send a check to the supplier to pay for the stuff sold. One big
part of Walmarts profit is they are a warehouse for the suppliers product
until it is sold out of the warehouse and the supplier gets the money.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are crap,
and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to sound
reproduction?

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done pretty
well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html


Eisboch

So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there is
a connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't.
Wal-Mart does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap
operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds of
thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the Pentagon.
The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of toothpaste at any
store nationwide is reported to the central computer within an hour of
the sale. Trends are monitored as well as weather forecasts for all areas
because a storm or unusual weather event historically raises the demand
for certain items. The computer data results in extra stock of those
items being shipped to the affected area from several distribution
centers, days before the storm system arrives.

Eisboch




There sucess is partly because they teamed up with NCR Corporation in the
early days with their point of sale systems and the software that tracked
sales. They still team up with NCR. Part of the reporting, is to allow
Walmart to send a check to the supplier to pay for the stuff sold. One
big part of Walmarts profit is they are a warehouse for the suppliers
product until it is sold out of the warehouse and the supplier gets the
money.


Another part of their success comes from a return policy that often stiffs
their suppliers. I read an article a couple of years ago about a
manufacturer of garage door openers. Half the packages returned from WM
contained things other than garage door openers: Rocks, bricks, etc. Or,
they'd contain mangled garage door openers. Because WM's people are often
badly trained, they weren't checking the contents of the boxes before
refunding customers' money. When the manufacturer explained that they
couldn't afford this nonsense, they were told they could either accept the
situation, or stop doing business. They chose the latter.

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"Eisboch" wrote in
:

Subsonic frequencies are often recorded as low frequency effects in
some DVD movies. Watch "Das Boat" on a home theater system equipped
with an 18" Velodyne subwoofer and you will be convinced. Nothing you
hear, but certainly something you feel.



Das Boot isn't a music CD, which is the topic or our conversation, right?


Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

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"Eisboch" wrote in
:

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done
pretty well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...poration-Compa
ny-History.html


Eisboch



Hey, these same people buying Bose are buying Apple iPhones, which are also
crap.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" [email protected] wrote in
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While Larry has a very strong opinion on many subjects, and KNOWS his
opinion is the only one worthwhile, he does not believe the entire world
revolves around himself, nor does he spend all of his time hurling
personal insults. If i was Larry I would be very insulted. ;)




This is usenet. One must not be insulted on usenet any more than one must
not be insulted in a bar full of other drunks. It's very similar.


Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...



This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise
came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.


Flashback memory time. I don't know *how* many TV sets, mine and friends,
that I kept alive for a while longer by painting the flyback transformer
with that red, high voltage "Klyptol" stuff. It usually stopped the hissing
and squealing for a while but eventually the transformer would carbon track
to ground.

I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my rear
because the high voltage section wasn't discharged.

When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is
kinda boring. No challenge at all.

Eisboch

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Larry wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in
:

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done
pretty well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...poration-Compa
ny-History.html


Eisboch



Hey, these same people buying Bose are buying Apple iPhones, which are also
crap.

Larry


All I want from a cellphone is a strong signal wherever I am, long
battery life, a volume control that provides plenty of gain so I can
hear what is being said in noisy places, and a way to easily store and
retrieve the phone numbers I call. I don't want no steeeenking camera,
video games, internet access or instant messaging, or any of the other
crap. Concentrate on the damned phone as a phone, dammit.

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in
:

Subsonic frequencies are often recorded as low frequency effects in
some DVD movies. Watch "Das Boat" on a home theater system equipped
with an 18" Velodyne subwoofer and you will be convinced. Nothing you
hear, but certainly something you feel.



Das Boot isn't a music CD, which is the topic or our conversation, right?


Larry


There was theme music in "Das Boat". :-)

However, I still disagree with your statement,

"You also don't need a $1200 woofer that can reproduce 10-50 Hz, because
the only thing
down there is turntable rumble and a few heavy trucks rattling FM detector's
tuned circuits, in older radios."

My feeling (and experience) is that a good sub that can produce subsonic
frequencies sounds much more natural and tight when using it to reproduce
the low bass frequencies of an acoustic or electric bass, especially with
digital recordings.

BTW, $1200 for a good, powered subwoofer is a steal.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:59:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.

But...doesn't she feel like a slave?

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:56:33 -0500, HK wrote:

All I want from a cellphone is a strong signal wherever I am, long
battery life, a volume control that provides plenty of gain so I can
hear what is being said in noisy places, and a way to easily store and
retrieve the phone numbers I call. I don't want no steeeenking camera,
video games, internet access or instant messaging, or any of the other
crap. Concentrate on the damned phone as a phone, dammit.

Well there is one area of ageement.

My cell phone has more "features" than I could ever possibly use. The
GPS thing is good though - at least if you call, E-911 can locate you
pretty quickly.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:24:26 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
...



This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise
came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.


Flashback memory time. I don't know *how* many TV sets, mine and friends,
that I kept alive for a while longer by painting the flyback transformer
with that red, high voltage "Klyptol" stuff. It usually stopped the hissing
and squealing for a while but eventually the transformer would carbon track
to ground.

I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my rear
because the high voltage section wasn't discharged.

When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is
kinda boring. No challenge at all.

Eisboch


I just gave away a Sony 27" color that I bought in Korea 28 years ago. The
color may have faded somewhat, but it was still good. It had been packed
and shipped about six times. I can't believe how well that thing was made.

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"Eisboch" wrote in
:


I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on
my
rear because the high voltage section wasn't discharged.



Er, ah that would have been the charged CRT...POW!!

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

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John H. wrote in
:


I just gave away a Sony 27" color that I bought in Korea 28 years
ago.
The color may have faded somewhat, but it was still good. It had
been
packed and shipped about six times. I can't believe how well that
thing was made.


You can forget that, now. The light bulb in a new TV is only $600.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

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John H. wrote in
:


But...doesn't she feel like a slave?


Walmart never lets me feel the slaves....dammit.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:14:12 +0000, Larry wrote:

John H. wrote in
:


But...doesn't she feel like a slave?


Walmart never lets me feel the slaves....dammit.

Larry

That's shameful.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...



This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency
noise came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.


Flashback memory time. I don't know *how* many TV sets, mine and friends,
that I kept alive for a while longer by painting the flyback transformer
with that red, high voltage "Klyptol" stuff. It usually stopped the
hissing and squealing for a while but eventually the transformer would
carbon track to ground.

I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my
rear because the high voltage section wasn't discharged.

When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is
kinda boring. No challenge at all.

Eisboch

In deflection circuits I designed the FBT had a bleeder resistor, to improve
regulation and discharge the CRT.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:55:23 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are crap,
and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to sound
reproduction?

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done pretty
well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html


Eisboch

So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there is
a connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't.
Wal-Mart does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap
operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds of
thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the Pentagon.
The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of toothpaste at any
store nationwide is reported to the central computer within an hour of
the sale. Trends are monitored as well as weather forecasts for all areas
because a storm or unusual weather event historically raises the demand
for certain items. The computer data results in extra stock of those
items being shipped to the affected area from several distribution
centers, days before the storm system arrives.

There sucess is partly because they teamed up with NCR Corporation in the
early days with their point of sale systems and the software that tracked
sales. They still team up with NCR. Part of the reporting, is to allow
Walmart to send a check to the supplier to pay for the stuff sold. One
big part of Walmarts profit is they are a warehouse for the suppliers
product until it is sold out of the warehouse and the supplier gets the
money.


Another part of their success comes from a return policy that often stiffs
their suppliers. I read an article a couple of years ago about a
manufacturer of garage door openers. Half the packages returned from WM
contained things other than garage door openers: Rocks, bricks, etc. Or,
they'd contain mangled garage door openers. Because WM's people are often
badly trained, they weren't checking the contents of the boxes before
refunding customers' money. When the manufacturer explained that they
couldn't afford this nonsense, they were told they could either accept the
situation, or stop doing business. They chose the latter.

Urban legend. Saw a thing on CNBC about Wal-Mart and they picked that
one.

They did have a problem, but it was related to something entirely
different.

The key element of the story was that Wal-Mart made good on the
differences.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:34:11 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:59:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.

But...doesn't she feel like a slave?

No - not at all.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:56:33 -0500, HK wrote:

Larry wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in
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Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done
pretty well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...poration-Compa
ny-History.html


Eisboch



Hey, these same people buying Bose are buying Apple iPhones, which are
also
crap.

Larry


All I want from a cellphone is a strong signal wherever I am, long
battery life, a volume control that provides plenty of gain so I can
hear what is being said in noisy places, and a way to easily store and
retrieve the phone numbers I call. I don't want no steeeenking camera,
video games, internet access or instant messaging, or any of the other
crap. Concentrate on the damned phone as a phone, dammit.

Yeah, cell phones are as pointless as a GPS. Nobody needs one. Use a
payphone if you need to call someone!



Payphone?
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...ON02/712110315

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:55:23 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are
crap,
and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to
sound
reproduction?

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done
pretty
well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html


Eisboch

So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there
is
a connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't.
Wal-Mart does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap
operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds
of
thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the
Pentagon.
The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of toothpaste at any
store nationwide is reported to the central computer within an hour of
the sale. Trends are monitored as well as weather forecasts for all
areas
because a storm or unusual weather event historically raises the demand
for certain items. The computer data results in extra stock of those
items being shipped to the affected area from several distribution
centers, days before the storm system arrives.

There sucess is partly because they teamed up with NCR Corporation in
the
early days with their point of sale systems and the software that
tracked
sales. They still team up with NCR. Part of the reporting, is to allow
Walmart to send a check to the supplier to pay for the stuff sold. One
big part of Walmarts profit is they are a warehouse for the suppliers
product until it is sold out of the warehouse and the supplier gets the
money.


Another part of their success comes from a return policy that often stiffs
their suppliers. I read an article a couple of years ago about a
manufacturer of garage door openers. Half the packages returned from WM
contained things other than garage door openers: Rocks, bricks, etc. Or,
they'd contain mangled garage door openers. Because WM's people are often
badly trained, they weren't checking the contents of the boxes before
refunding customers' money. When the manufacturer explained that they
couldn't afford this nonsense, they were told they could either accept the
situation, or stop doing business. They chose the latter.

Urban legend. Saw a thing on CNBC about Wal-Mart and they picked that
one.

They did have a problem, but it was related to something entirely
different.

The key element of the story was that Wal-Mart made good on the
differences.

They would be legally obligated to make good on the differences. But Costco,
Walmart and all the big vendors require the suppliers to take returns for
most any reason. Why Home Depot, gives a 1 year warrantee on plants.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my
rear because the high voltage section wasn't discharged.

When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is
kinda boring. No challenge at all.

Eisboch

In deflection circuits I designed the FBT had a bleeder resistor, to
improve regulation and discharge the CRT.


Yeah, I remember the bleeder resistors. Where were they when you needed
one?
I also recall trying to do gross convergence adjustments using the rings on
the yoke.
Always half expected to find myself on my ass on the floor again.

Eisboch

Eisboch

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:44:31 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:34:11 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:59:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.

But...doesn't she feel like a slave?

No - not at all.

Well, that's good. She must not be 'slave labor'.

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John H. wrote:
I went to alt.binaries.sounds.lossless.classical and ran into a 'flac' file
extension.

Anybody know what will open a file with that extension? WMP, Divx, and
IrfanView won't touch it.

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HK wrote:

That because a person or entity does some thing that some perceive as
"Good" doesn't mean that same person or entity isn't engaging in
activities that do a lot of harm.

OMG! That describes you to a T.

-- Charlie

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I also would *like* to forget how many of those TV sets threw me on my
rear because the high voltage section wasn't discharged.

When you think about it, all this new, low voltage computerized stuff is
kinda boring. No challenge at all.

Eisboch

In deflection circuits I designed the FBT had a bleeder resistor, to
improve regulation and discharge the CRT.


Yeah, I remember the bleeder resistors. Where were they when you needed
one?
I also recall trying to do gross convergence adjustments using the rings
on the yoke.
Always half expected to find myself on my ass on the floor again.

Eisboch

Eisboch


That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-)

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-)


After a while I just got used to being the ground.

The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC power
supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened at the
first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands feeling like
basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the ambulance on the
way to the hospital.

They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other
than some minor burns on my fingers.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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That's why you should always be wearing your grounded wrist strap. :-)


After a while I just got used to being the ground.

The worst shock I ever received was from a high power, high voltage DC
power supply. 12,000 volts with current capacity of 1.5 amps. Happened
at the first job I had after leaving the Navy. I remember my hands
feeling like basketballs, then I went out like a light. Woke up in the
ambulance on the way to the hospital.

They checked me out, EKG, all that stuff, then determined I was fine other
than some minor burns on my fingers.

Eisboch


OUCH.....

Now a Marine would never pull a stunt like that. :-)

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"JimH" wrote in message
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"JG2U" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:06:56 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JG2U" wrote in message

JimH,

You really need to remove your nose from John's ass. And he vis-a-vis
to you.

Actually you have it all wrong as you have not been here long enough to
see
the real pattern of him puppy dogging all my posts. After he rejected
my
request to stop it he is now receiving what he deserves.


Actually, I have been around this NG for 7-8 years in one form or
another.


Reggie?


Didn't someone already indentify him as Jackoff?

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JimH wrote:
"JG2U" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:06:56 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

"JG2U" wrote in message
JimH,

You really need to remove your nose from John's ass. And he vis-a-vis
to you.
Actually you have it all wrong as you have not been here long enough to
see
the real pattern of him puppy dogging all my posts. After he rejected my
request to stop it he is now receiving what he deserves.

Actually, I have been around this NG for 7-8 years in one form or
another.


Reggie?




Jackoff. Aka Jack Goff. Already filtered.

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