On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:11:38 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

If present trends continue, the Arctic will be ice free during the
summer months as early as 2012. Nowhere did NASA, the AP, or I insist
that you sell your big block pickup truck and take up driving a Prius
instead. :-)

Wnat to know what this is all about Chuck?

Here 'ya go.

http://investor.nymex.com/releasedet...leaseID=281322

"The broad slate of new environmental products will perfectly
complement NYMEX's energy complex, enabling The Green Exchange
customers to efficiently manage the cost of reducing their 'carbon
footprint.' The Green Exchange expects to focus on both global and
regional compliance trading while also building liquidity and demand
for the highest quality voluntary standards in the market. Underlying
all this will be the ability for all market participants to manage
risk and take positions in environmental derivatives markets."

"Initially, The Green Exchange intends to offer trading in global
carbon-based contracts, such as carbon allowances (EUAs) under the
European Union Emissions Trading Scheme, carbon credits (CERs) under
the U.N. Clean Development Mechanism, and verified greenhouse gas
emission reductions (VERs/VCUs) used in accordance with voluntary
carbon standards. The Green Exchange will also offer contracts for
U.S. SO2 and NOx emissions allowance trading programs, as well as
contracts for national Green-e™ certified voluntary renewable energy
certificates (RECs)."

There it is - it's all about making money. The more dire warnings and
other "climate change" bull****, the more money is to be made.

And guess who's going to take it right in the wallet - you, me and
other stiffs who will be paying for it in the end.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From: http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:11:38 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

If present trends continue, the Arctic will be ice free during the
summer months as early as 2012. Nowhere did NASA, the AP, or I insist
that you sell your big block pickup truck and take up driving a Prius
instead. :-)

Wnat to know what this is all about Chuck?

Here 'ya go.

http://investor.nymex.com/releasedet...leaseID=281322

"The broad slate of new environmental products will perfectly
complement NYMEX's energy complex, enabling The Green Exchange
customers to efficiently manage the cost of reducing their 'carbon
footprint.' The Green Exchange expects to focus on both global and
regional compliance trading while also building liquidity and demand
for the highest quality voluntary standards in the market. Underlying
all this will be the ability for all market participants to manage
risk and take positions in environmental derivatives markets."

"Initially, The Green Exchange intends to offer trading in global
carbon-based contracts, such as carbon allowances (EUAs) under the
European Union Emissions Trading Scheme, carbon credits (CERs) under
the U.N. Clean Development Mechanism, and verified greenhouse gas
emission reductions (VERs/VCUs) used in accordance with voluntary
carbon standards. The Green Exchange will also offer contracts for
U.S. SO2 and NOx emissions allowance trading programs, as well as
contracts for national Green-e™ certified voluntary renewable energy
certificates (RECs)."

There it is - it's all about making money. The more dire warnings and
other "climate change" bull****, the more money is to be made.

And guess who's going to take it right in the wallet - you, me and
other stiffs who will be paying for it in the end.


SWS,
The problem I have with all of this, is none of us are smart enough,
including the climatologist to really understand the complex issues, but
if they are right, we are in a world of hurt.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:56:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/press/20070302_release.html

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/08/st...n-climate.html

And lastly,

http://www.epw.senate.gov/109th/Carter_Testimony.pdf

Do try and read the science instead of the AP.

Friggin' Facts!!
--
John H

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:14:45 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Dec 12, 5:25?am, wrote:
On Dec 12, 5:56 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:





On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/press/20070302_release.html

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/08/st...khaven-climate...

And lastly,

http://www.epw.senate.gov/109th/Carter_Testimony.pdf

Do try and read the science instead of the AP.

Yeah, it is hard to tell which quotes are from NASA, employees of
NASA, and the reporter... oh, and a few quotes from some of those 18
(eighteen) scientists.... Wonder who they were, if they worked for
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The important aspect of the item is that the photos (scientific
evidence) are from NASA.

There are a lot of folks insisting that anybody who even observes the
earth is in a warming trend is somehow "lying for political purposes".
Let's hope that doesn't include NASA. :-)

No Chuck, the problem is that 'mankind is the cause, and sending money to
Al Gore is the cure'.
--
John H

On Dec 12, 12:11�pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the U.N..
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From:http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

Nor was this supposed to be a "global warming" thread.

Merely an observation that Arctic ice is now melting at a rate that
could result in an ice-free north pole by 2012. Bad news for Santa,
but good news for sailors with a sense of adventure. Who will be the
first to sail over the North pole? :-)

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a
developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the
U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From: http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H
I wonder if Mr/Mrs Clause will move their headquarters. :)

On Dec 12, 1:52�pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...



On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a
developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the
U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From:http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

I wonder if Mr/Mrs Clause will move their headquarters. �:)- Hide quoted text -

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It would seem weird to have Santa Claus headquartered at the South
Pole, if only because in the southern hemisphere the Christmas holiday
occurs at the summer, rather than the winter solstice. Somehow the
image of a guy all wrapped up in a red fur robe and flying through the
air on a magic sleigh seems inconsistent with sitting under the palm
tree and slathering on sunscreen.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 1:52?pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...



On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south
pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a
developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is
to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the
U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at
a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of
the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From:http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

I wonder if Mr/Mrs Clause will move their headquarters. ?:)- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

It would seem weird to have Santa Claus headquartered at the South
Pole, if only because in the southern hemisphere the Christmas holiday
occurs at the summer, rather than the winter solstice. Somehow the
image of a guy all wrapped up in a red fur robe and flying through the
air on a magic sleigh seems inconsistent with sitting under the palm
tree and slathering on sunscreen.

That's easy, just have Congress change the Christmas holiday date.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:16:36 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

I don't think people around here deny there is global warming. The
skepticism is how much is due to normal cycles and how much is due to human
contributions.

Exactly. And all the data points to it being a natural cycle with
little or no input from human kind.

And then there is this.

http://www.910knew.com/pages/carbon.html

Based on all this carbon emitting data that the True Believers would
like us to believe, we should be all dead by now.