Seems as though you and some of those at NASA forgot about this other recent
NASA report-
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/loo...-20071113.html


Lets also remember that the world has cooled since 1998. If we are to
believe the global warming theorists, the Earth is already in a positive
feedback loop which would cause a steady increase in the average global
temperature- and this is not happening.

On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "BillP" wrote:
Seems as though you and some of those at NASA forgot about this other recent
NASA report-http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/ipy-20071113.html

Lets also remember that the world has cooled since 1998. If we are to
believe the global warming theorists, the Earth is already in a positive
feedback loop which would cause a steady increase in the average global
temperature- and this is not happening.


Bill,

Please read the very first paragraph of your link:

****
PASADENA, Calif. - A team of NASA and university scientists has
detected an ongoing reversal in Arctic Ocean circulation triggered by
atmospheric circulation changes that vary on decade-long time scales.
The results suggest not all the large changes seen in Arctic climate
in recent years are a result of long-term trends associated with
global warming.

*******
Consider what that says. Nowhere does it say that there aren't large
changes being observed in the Arctic climate, only that the results
"suggest not all the large changes....are a result of long-term trends
associated with global warming."

You link *confirms* that there are large changes occuring in the
Arctic
climate. (Which is consistent with the NASA photographic evidence).

Your link *acknowledges* the existence of global warming, merely
denies that "all" of the large changes in Arctic climate can be
associated with the phenomenon. It also accepts the concept of global
warming as a "long term trend".

Next?

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Good grief.

What will happen to that well known exotic dancing troupe called "The
Polar Bares" ??

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From: http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

On Dec 12, 12:11�pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the U.N..
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From:http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

Nor was this supposed to be a "global warming" thread.

Merely an observation that Arctic ice is now melting at a rate that
could result in an ice-free north pole by 2012. Bad news for Santa,
but good news for sailors with a sense of adventure. Who will be the
first to sail over the North pole? :-)

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a
developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the
U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From: http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H
I wonder if Mr/Mrs Clause will move their headquarters. :)

On Dec 12, 1:52�pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...



On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a
developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the
U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From:http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

I wonder if Mr/Mrs Clause will move their headquarters. �:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It would seem weird to have Santa Claus headquartered at the South
Pole, if only because in the southern hemisphere the Christmas holiday
occurs at the summer, rather than the winter solstice. Somehow the
image of a guy all wrapped up in a red fur robe and flying through the
air on a magic sleigh seems inconsistent with sitting under the palm
tree and slathering on sunscreen.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 1:52?pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...



On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south
pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a
developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is
to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the
U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at
a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of
the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From:http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

I wonder if Mr/Mrs Clause will move their headquarters. ?:)- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

It would seem weird to have Santa Claus headquartered at the South
Pole, if only because in the southern hemisphere the Christmas holiday
occurs at the summer, rather than the winter solstice. Somehow the
image of a guy all wrapped up in a red fur robe and flying through the
air on a magic sleigh seems inconsistent with sitting under the palm
tree and slathering on sunscreen.

That's easy, just have Congress change the Christmas holiday date.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:09:49 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

That's easy, just have Congress change the Christmas holiday date.

And make another 3 day weekend.

Excellent.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:09:49 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Dec 12, 1:52?pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...



On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:58:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

According to that group of left wing nut jobs, the National Aeronautic
and Space Administration, the ice at the north pole (and the rest of
the arctic) is melting at a rate that could
leave the north end of the globe ice free by 2012.

Santa will either have to move to the south pole, (where there is
still plenty of ice), or take up boating. Maybe he'll participate in
rec.boats, and become another one of the posters whose true identities
are a mystery. :-)

From the news last week, there's not only plenty of ice at the south
pole,
but it's accumulating by leaps and bounds!

Makes one wonder if there's not a little hype going around somewhere.

"Unconventional Wisdom

A member of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change
says he and many other scientists do not see global warming as a
developing
catastrophe and there is no smoking gun proving that human activity is
to
blame for the warming that does occur.

John Christy is the director of the Earth System Science Center at the
University of Alabama at Huntsville. He and thousands of others on the
U.N.
panel share half the Nobel Prize also awarded to Al Gore. But he says he
cringes when he hears 100-year weather forecasts when it is incredibly
difficult to accurately predict the weather five days from now.

He writes in The Wall Street Journal, "Mother Nature simply operates at
a
level of complexity that is, at this point, beyond the mastery of mere
mortals (such as scientists) and the tools available to us."

He points out that a recent CNN report on climate change made much of
the
shrinking Arctic sea ice cover, but did not mention that winter sea ice
around Antarctica set a record maximum last month."

From:http://tinyurl.com/39xr7v
--
John H

I wonder if Mr/Mrs Clause will move their headquarters. ?:)- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

It would seem weird to have Santa Claus headquartered at the South
Pole, if only because in the southern hemisphere the Christmas holiday
occurs at the summer, rather than the winter solstice. Somehow the
image of a guy all wrapped up in a red fur robe and flying through the
air on a magic sleigh seems inconsistent with sitting under the palm
tree and slathering on sunscreen.

That's easy, just have Congress change the Christmas holiday date.


July 25th. Hell, one of our local radio stations already has "Christmas in
July" and plays nothing but Christmas music all day.
--
John H