BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp


If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers
and electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a
year, family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have
the skills to do the necessary critical work.


I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers
sink. I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant.
Of course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.



Yeah, well, if you weren't such an a**hole, the plumber might have
charged $125.

I would still do it myself. 20 minutes work and about $10 in supplies.

The nuke plant plumbers are mostly steamfitters.
It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.

You can learn to be a steamfitter in the military and you can learn to
operate a nuke plant in the military too.


I also replaced the drains, so it was $65 and 45 min. She lives a hour
from me, but it was still worth it.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:48:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp


If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers
and electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the
skills to do the necessary critical work.


I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers
sink. I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.



Yeah, well, if you weren't such an a**hole, the plumber might have
charged $125.

I would still do it myself. 20 minutes work and about $10 in supplies.

The nuke plant plumbers are mostly steamfitters.
It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.

You can learn to be a steamfitter in the military and you can learn to
operate a nuke plant in the military too.

And it doesn't take no 8000 hours!

"HK" wrote in message
...

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a steamfitter
than it does to become a college graduate.

If they're so smart why do they continue to let people like Ullico handle
their money?

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...e,226126.shtml



WASHINGTON, Nov. 16
PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The U.S. Department of Labor
today announced a settlement requiring Union Labor Life Insurance Co.
(ULLICO) of Washington, D.C., to pay back nearly $16.7 million in fees and
compensation to benefit plans that invested in Separate Account J (J for
Jobs), a pooled separate account holding plan assets for the benefit of
employee benefit plan investors. In addition, the insurer must pay $3.3
million to an escrow account to cover additional civil penalties and excise
taxes resulting from alleged violations of federal employee benefits law.
"Self-dealing by pension fiduciaries at the expense of workers' retirement
plans cannot be tolerated," said Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao. "This
$20 million settlement is a loud and clear message to all plan fiduciaries
that they will be held accountable when their actions are detrimental to
workers' benefit plans."
The settlement, if approved by the court, successfully resolves a department
investigation concluding that Union Labor Life had used its authority over
the separate account to unilaterally set its own compensation in violation
of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA).
In addition to the monetary recovery, the settlement permanently bars Union
Labor Life from retaining compensation from any source in connection with
Separate Account J without advance disclosure of the compensation and
approval by appropriate independent plan fiduciaries. The order broadly
prohibits the insurer from exercising any unilateral discretionary authority
over the compensation it receives as a fiduciary or service provider to
ERISA-covered benefit plans.
The Labor Department filed the lawsuit simultaneously with the settlement,
which is subject to court approval. The lawsuit alleges that Union Labor
Life violated ERISA when it failed to properly disclose its compensation and
receive approval from plan fiduciaries independent of Union Labor Life for
funds taken directly from the investment account, as well as payments
received from third-party borrowers, such as loan commitment fees,
construction administration fees and lender inspection fees. The insurer
allegedly kept, among other fees, millions of dollars from loan applicants
who failed to go forward with loans even though the plans assumed virtually
all the risk of funding those loans.
Separate Account J invests in secured mortgages on real estate development
projects constructed with union labor. The sole investors are ERISA-covered
plans.
The Labor Department's legal action resulted from a comprehensive
investigation conducted by the Philadelphia Regional Office of the
department's Employee Benefits Security Administration and the department's
Office of the Solicitor.
Chao v. ULLICO
Civil Action Number 1:07-cv-02089


U.S. Department of Labor releases are accessible on the Internet at
http://www.dol.gov/. The information in this news release will be made
available in alternate format (large print, Braille, audio tape or disc)
from the COAST office upon request. Please specify which news release when
placing your request at 202-693-7828 or TTY 202-693-7755. The Labor
Department is committed to providing America's employers and employees with
easy access to understandable information on how to comply with its laws and
regulations. For more information, please visit
http://www.dol.gov/compliance.
U.S. Department of Labor

BillP wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a steamfitter
than it does to become a college graduate.

If they're so smart why do they continue to let people like Ullico handle
their money?

Oops!

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:34:15 -0500, Reginald Smithers III
wrote:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp


If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers and
electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the skills
to do the necessary critical work.


I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers sink.
I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.

The local union plumbers wanted several thousand to replace the 'broken'
water main in front of my house. They diagnosed this because the sump pump
had stopped working due, in their words, to 'too much work'.

I called the county, after wondering why the break couldn't just as well be
in the street. They came out and informed me there was no break anywhere.
The guy said it was one of the oldest and most used plumber scams going. I
replaced the sump pump and saved several thousand dollars.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:34:15 -0500, Reginald Smithers III
wrote:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers and
electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the skills
to do the necessary critical work.

I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers sink.
I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.

The local union plumbers wanted several thousand to replace the 'broken'
water main in front of my house. They diagnosed this because the sump pump
had stopped working due, in their words, to 'too much work'.

What did they do, Herring, show you their paid up membership card at the
door?

What crock of crap.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:42:14 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:34:15 -0500, Reginald Smithers III
wrote:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers and
electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the skills
to do the necessary critical work.

I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers sink.
I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.

The local union plumbers wanted several thousand to replace the 'broken'
water main in front of my house. They diagnosed this because the sump pump
had stopped working due, in their words, to 'too much work'.

What did they do, Herring, show you their paid up membership card at the
door?

What crock of crap.

Do you think the Rush plumbing guys are non-union?

"John H." wrote in message
...

The local union plumbers wanted several thousand to replace the 'broken'
water main in front of my house. They diagnosed this because the sump pump
* had stopped working due, in their words, to 'too much work*'.

Oh my...I guess the c*ap flies heavy at your place...

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:21:54 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .

The local union plumbers wanted several thousand to replace the 'broken'
water main in front of my house. They diagnosed this because the sump pump
* had stopped working due, in their words, to 'too much work*'.

Oh my...I guess the c*ap flies heavy at your place...


Don, do you know what a sump is?

BTW, how's the mom doing? A good friend of mine was just diagnosed with
lung cancer. Damn shame. He's 75.

Hope all is well.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:34:15 -0500, Reginald Smithers III
wrote:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp


If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers and
electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the skills
to do the necessary critical work.

I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers sink.
I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.

It's nice knowing good plumbers. One of my kids buddies is a plumber.
Had to replace a faulty disposal and some leaking pipes under the
sink. He came over, wham, bam, thank you sir - hour later, done and
it only cost me $75 for his time.

He also chased a drain problem for me from the house to the main on
the street - $125 bucks for an hours work with a drain weasel.