Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says,
"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether
there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the
havoc their wakes cause."

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay,
and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Isn't that the point Wayne is making? If there are boats, there will be
wakes, big and small.
I've often been out on my little 13' Whaler navigating over a big (to it)
wake from a passing large boat a mile away. I don't stand up, waving my
one fingered hand, shouting curses at the distant or not so distant boat.

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Eisboch



Observant, considerate boaters whose craft throw up big wakes slow down
when they find themselves among other boaters so their wakes flatten out
and don't create a serious problem. Arrogant boaters don't slow down.

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:59:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.


There are plenty of places on the Bay where very small boats congregate.
You probably don't notice them. There are guys out there in rowboats,
kayaks, canoes, not in the middle of the bay, but not far offshore, near
inlets, creeks, et cetera. Most boaters slow down anytime they get near
these guys, so they don't cause them problems. The arrogant ass boaters,
of course, don't.

I *always* slow down for rowboats, kayaks and canoes, even when they
are where they don't belong. Everyone else is a judgement call. I
don't believe we have ever endangered anyone with our wake but there
are lots of "wake whiners" out there who expect flat water where ever
they go. Some of them are in large sailboats which is kind of
comical.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get his
act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get his
act together.

Wilbur Hubbard




Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

"HK" wrote in message
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Observant, considerate boaters whose craft throw up big wakes slow down
when they find themselves among other boaters so their wakes flatten out
and don't create a serious problem. Arrogant boaters don't slow down.

I certainly agree with that.

Eisboch

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.
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No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.


Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.

He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the
common weekend recreational types.



Down boy! Good puppy!

"HK" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard


Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:13:07 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If
you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that.

Precisely.

These sportfish were moving fast however, and coming a lot closer than
you'd really like. No blood, no foul. It gets interesting if I'm
capsized however. They are resposible for their wake, we all know
that. What about my quesionable judgement however (too small a boat),
and failure to negotiate a dangerous wave in a seamanlike manner. Life
is complicated sometimes.


The difference is that where we were was not a place where one would expect
someone to come so close going so fast. There was simply no reason for him
to come as close as he did. He was just "in a hurry" without regard to
anyone else on the water.


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.

Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.