wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:30 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:29?pm, HK wrote:
Just read that Albemarle was bought out by Brunswick. Another famous
line goes in the crapper. Cabo was sold last year. Sad to see the
independents disappearing, since they build the best boats.
Where have you been, Harry?
Brunswick has owned Albermarle for quite while now. Basically, they
are built by the same group that makes Hatteras. Many of the upper
tier
trademarks built by Brunswick are pretty darn good boats.
I'm sure they were better boats when the companies that built them were
independent. The newest model Albemarle, for example, is wider and with
less deadrise than the model it will be replacing. That's corporate
conglomerate think for you...take a line of fishing boats and turn them
into something less.

People often think that just because something is made by small
independents that it automatically means better craftmanship and
quality, but that just isn't always true. Larger companies have money
to use for R&D and testing, plus the tools to ensure quality control.


Of course you are correct. I personally would hate to pay for a one off
car. After watching American Hotrod, I would seriously question the
quality of some of these smaller builders. I would assume it is very
similar in with small boat builders.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:30 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:29?pm, HK wrote:
Just read that Albemarle was bought out by Brunswick. Another famous
line goes in the crapper. Cabo was sold last year. Sad to see the
independents disappearing, since they build the best boats.
Where have you been, Harry?
Brunswick has owned Albermarle for quite while now. Basically, they
are built by the same group that makes Hatteras. Many of the upper
tier
trademarks built by Brunswick are pretty darn good boats.
I'm sure they were better boats when the companies that built them were
independent. The newest model Albemarle, for example, is wider and with
less deadrise than the model it will be replacing. That's corporate
conglomerate think for you...take a line of fishing boats and turn them
into something less.

People often think that just because something is made by small
independents that it automatically means better craftmanship and
quality, but that just isn't always true. Larger companies have money
to use for R&D and testing, plus the tools to ensure quality control.


Of course you are correct. I personally would hate to pay for a one off
car. After watching American Hotrod, I would seriously question the
quality of some of these smaller builders. I would assume it is very
similar in with small boat builders.





I wouldn't buy a motorcycle from any of the televised "chopper" show
shops, because it is obvious that the builders are not overly concerned
with the vagaries of metallurgy. Small boat building among the quality
builders is an entirely different proposition; the "flashboat" builders
may change everything every year, but the quality builders do not.

Parker has been building hulls for a long, long time. Most of the hulls
are very similar in design, no matter their length, and so are the
materials, though "thickness" varies. Same with hardware. Same with
assembly. Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin 350-hp
Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:30 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:29?pm, HK wrote:
Just read that Albemarle was bought out by Brunswick. Another famous
line goes in the crapper. Cabo was sold last year. Sad to see the
independents disappearing, since they build the best boats.
Where have you been, Harry?
Brunswick has owned Albermarle for quite while now. Basically, they
are built by the same group that makes Hatteras. Many of the upper
tier
trademarks built by Brunswick are pretty darn good boats.
I'm sure they were better boats when the companies that built them were
independent. The newest model Albemarle, for example, is wider and with
less deadrise than the model it will be replacing. That's corporate
conglomerate think for you...take a line of fishing boats and turn them
into something less.

People often think that just because something is made by small
independents that it automatically means better craftmanship and
quality, but that just isn't always true. Larger companies have money
to use for R&D and testing, plus the tools to ensure quality control.


Of course you are correct. I personally would hate to pay for a one
off car. After watching American Hotrod, I would seriously question
the quality of some of these smaller builders. I would assume it is
very similar in with small boat builders.





I wouldn't buy a motorcycle from any of the televised "chopper" show
shops, because it is obvious that the builders are not overly concerned
with the vagaries of metallurgy. Small boat building among the quality
builders is an entirely different proposition; the "flashboat" builders
may change everything every year, but the quality builders do not.

Parker has been building hulls for a long, long time. Most of the hulls
are very similar in design, no matter their length, and so are the
materials, though "thickness" varies. Same with hardware. Same with
assembly. Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin 350-hp
Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.




I don't think I have seen a Parker on my little body of water, but Grady
Whites are very common. While I would not consider them a small boat
builder, they are not part of a conglomerate. On the lake, they have
clubs who will haul their boats to the ocean for group fishing
tournaments.

By the same token, there are many conglomerate car mfg'ers including BMW
and Lexus who have managed to build a car to the masses and keep quality
at a very high level.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:30 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:29?pm, HK wrote:
Just read that Albemarle was bought out by Brunswick. Another famous
line goes in the crapper. Cabo was sold last year. Sad to see the
independents disappearing, since they build the best boats.
Where have you been, Harry?
Brunswick has owned Albermarle for quite while now. Basically, they
are built by the same group that makes Hatteras. Many of the upper
tier
trademarks built by Brunswick are pretty darn good boats.
I'm sure they were better boats when the companies that built them
were
independent. The newest model Albemarle, for example, is wider and
with
less deadrise than the model it will be replacing. That's corporate
conglomerate think for you...take a line of fishing boats and turn
them
into something less.

People often think that just because something is made by small
independents that it automatically means better craftmanship and
quality, but that just isn't always true. Larger companies have money
to use for R&D and testing, plus the tools to ensure quality control.


Of course you are correct. I personally would hate to pay for a one
off car. After watching American Hotrod, I would seriously question
the quality of some of these smaller builders. I would assume it is
very similar in with small boat builders.





I wouldn't buy a motorcycle from any of the televised "chopper" show
shops, because it is obvious that the builders are not overly
concerned with the vagaries of metallurgy. Small boat building among
the quality builders is an entirely different proposition; the
"flashboat" builders may change everything every year, but the quality
builders do not.

Parker has been building hulls for a long, long time. Most of the
hulls are very similar in design, no matter their length, and so are
the materials, though "thickness" varies. Same with hardware. Same
with assembly. Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin
350-hp Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.




I don't think I have seen a Parker on my little body of water, but Grady
Whites are very common. While I would not consider them a small boat
builder, they are not part of a conglomerate. On the lake, they have
clubs who will haul their boats to the ocean for group fishing tournaments.

By the same token, there are many conglomerate car mfg'ers including BMW
and Lexus who have managed to build a car to the masses and keep quality
at a very high level.




Gradys are great boats, very similar in construction if not in looks to
Parkers. I'd buy one, but they are just "too fancy" for my style of
feeeeshing. I have no idea why Gradys would be big sellers on Lake
Lanier or any other small inland lake.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 4, 7:30 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:29?pm, HK wrote:
Just read that Albemarle was bought out by Brunswick. Another
famous
line goes in the crapper. Cabo was sold last year. Sad to see the
independents disappearing, since they build the best boats.
Where have you been, Harry?
Brunswick has owned Albermarle for quite while now. Basically, they
are built by the same group that makes Hatteras. Many of the upper
tier
trademarks built by Brunswick are pretty darn good boats.
I'm sure they were better boats when the companies that built them
were
independent. The newest model Albemarle, for example, is wider and
with
less deadrise than the model it will be replacing. That's corporate
conglomerate think for you...take a line of fishing boats and turn
them
into something less.

People often think that just because something is made by small
independents that it automatically means better craftmanship and
quality, but that just isn't always true. Larger companies have money
to use for R&D and testing, plus the tools to ensure quality control.


Of course you are correct. I personally would hate to pay for a one
off car. After watching American Hotrod, I would seriously
question the quality of some of these smaller builders. I would
assume it is very similar in with small boat builders.





I wouldn't buy a motorcycle from any of the televised "chopper" show
shops, because it is obvious that the builders are not overly
concerned with the vagaries of metallurgy. Small boat building among
the quality builders is an entirely different proposition; the
"flashboat" builders may change everything every year, but the
quality builders do not.

Parker has been building hulls for a long, long time. Most of the
hulls are very similar in design, no matter their length, and so are
the materials, though "thickness" varies. Same with hardware. Same
with assembly. Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin
350-hp Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.




I don't think I have seen a Parker on my little body of water, but
Grady Whites are very common. While I would not consider them a small
boat builder, they are not part of a conglomerate. On the lake, they
have clubs who will haul their boats to the ocean for group fishing
tournaments.

By the same token, there are many conglomerate car mfg'ers including
BMW and Lexus who have managed to build a car to the masses and keep
quality at a very high level.




Gradys are great boats, very similar in construction if not in looks to
Parkers. I'd buy one, but they are just "too fancy" for my style of
feeeeshing. I have no idea why Gradys would be big sellers on Lake
Lanier or any other small inland lake.


i don't think many people who boat exclusively on Lake Lanier would buy
a Grady, but there are many people who boat on Lake Lanier who will
regularly trailer their boats 4 hours to the Georgia or SC coast.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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i don't think many people who boat exclusively on Lake Lanier would buy a
Grady, but there are many people who boat on Lake Lanier who will
regularly trailer their boats 4 hours to the Georgia or SC coast.


Just watched a news report. Not too many people boating on Lake Lanier ....
period.

Back to Gradys. They are very popular up here in the northeast. I think
there are more of them around than any other manufacturer including Boston
Whaler. There's a large Grady dealer here in my hometown who stocks and
sells a lot of them.

Eisboch

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:10:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Back to Gradys. They are very popular up here in the northeast. I think
there are more of them around than any other manufacturer including Boston
Whaler. There's a large Grady dealer here in my hometown who stocks and
sells a lot of them.

I have never understood the attaction to Gradys. I think they are
ugly myself fully recognizing that beauty is in the eye of the
beholder.

Having said that, I also recognize that they are solid boats with a
great reputation (slightly overstated, but then what isn't?) and built
to last.

They are still ugly.

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:46:48 -0500, HK wrote:

Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin 350-hp
Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.

It will certainly be good at burning fuel, that's a given.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:46:48 -0500, HK wrote:

Next year, Parker will introduce a 34-footer with twin 350-hp
Yamahas. I suspect the boat will be very competent.

It will certainly be good at burning fuel, that's a given.


Absolutely, although 700 hp is about the norm for an offshore sportfish
boat of that size. The engines will be about $18,000 each through
Parker, I would guess. That would be the fully rigged price. $36,000 for
the pair. I wonder what a pair of new 350 hp diesels, fully rigged,
with transmissions, goes for these days? Let's say...$80,000+, or a
$44,000 difference. It's going to take a hell of a lot of diesel
efficiency to make that up!

Of course, the diesels should last longer and hopefully have liners so
they can be rebuilt. But...what happens when a transmission goes?

It may be all moot, anyway, with fuel prices continuing to rise as they
are. I predict boat sales are heading for the crapper.

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:07:41 -0500, HK wrote:

Absolutely, although 700 hp is about the norm for an offshore sportfish
boat of that size. The engines will be about $18,000 each through
Parker, I would guess. That would be the fully rigged price. $36,000 for
the pair. I wonder what a pair of new 350 hp diesels, fully rigged,
with transmissions, goes for these days? Let's say...$80,000+, or a
$44,000 difference. It's going to take a hell of a lot of diesel
efficiency to make that up!

Well, lets run the numbers just for the fun of it. Your price
estimate is in the ball park so let's figure out what the payback is
over 5 years or so. Assuming the diesels will return 50% of their
extra cost on resale, the number to meet is $22,000.

With the pair of big OBs the boat will burn about 50 gph, 25 gph with
diesels. Gas at the marina is about $4, diesel about $3, cost per
hour $200 gas, $75 diesel, $125 delta.

$22,000 divided by $125 is 176 hours. That is the break even point.
If you use the boat more than 176 hours you are money ahead on
operating costs alone. Factor in the reliability and longevity of
diesels and you are way ahead if you use the boat regularly.