On 31 Oct 2007 16:03:01 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Lage vessels are already required to carry transponders by the A.I.S.
system. Extending that to all vessels wouldn't be an entirely
ridiculous possibility.

It would be easy but I don't think people will put up with it, imagine
something like prohibition or the 55 mph speed limit where over 50% of
the population became law breakers.

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I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even
have a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch

Very, VERY bad idea....

I can think of one presidential candidate who would probably love the
idea. You know .... the one that wants to bonus every kid with 5k at
birth. How else will your "investment" be tracked?

Eisboch

Read a story in the NY Times about a month ago, about a British woman
who's been visiting here to teach for quite a few years. Suddenly, her
visa was revoked. Friends here have asked their congressman to look into
it, and they've had lawyers pound the government for answers, but
absolutely nobody can seem to find out what the problem is. She doesn't
seem to be even remotely connected with terrorism issues.
What right does she have to be here in the first place.


Nice try, pulling the word "right" outta your ass, child. Who told you to
say that?

Answer the question.

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I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even
have a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading.
Implanted chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch

Very, VERY bad idea....

I can think of one presidential candidate who would probably love the
idea. You know .... the one that wants to bonus every kid with 5k at
birth. How else will your "investment" be tracked?

Eisboch

Read a story in the NY Times about a month ago, about a British woman
who's been visiting here to teach for quite a few years. Suddenly, her
visa was revoked. Friends here have asked their congressman to look
into it, and they've had lawyers pound the government for answers, but
absolutely nobody can seem to find out what the problem is. She doesn't
seem to be even remotely connected with terrorism issues.
What right does she have to be here in the first place.


Nice try, pulling the word "right" outta your ass, child. Who told you to
say that?

Answer the question.

OK, you're right, as long as you don't claim that we don't have the right to
travel anywhere we want within this country, barring private property.

Now, tell me how your "right" comment makes this OK, child:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/ny...icologist.html

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:17:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The Navy can
stop, board and search but if an arrest requirement results, they have to
hold the subjects and call for the CG.

What is the difference between being "held" and being "arrested"?

It is illegal to resist arrest, what about "held"?

I suppose you could be charged with obstructing governmental
administration or some such.

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:17:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The Navy can
stop, board and search but if an arrest requirement results, they have to
hold the subjects and call for the CG.

What is the difference between being "held" and being "arrested"?

It is illegal to resist arrest, what about "held"?

I suppose you could be charged with obstructing governmental
administration or some such.

http://public.findlaw.com/traffic-ti...stop-searches/

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:10:55 -0500, wrote:

This is interesting since I never carried any ID on my boat at all for
years. These days I carry an expired concealed carry license. It is
the only spare state issued ID I have. I am not carrying my wallet. I
have one of my credit cards memorized in case I need to pay for a tow
pirate.

The various flavors of local marine police routinely ask for ID. Don't
know what happens if you don't have any.

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:20:13 -0400, Gene Kearns
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Wouldn't it be more prudent and cost effective to have chips implanted
at birth? No more lost children or adults, in case of emergency you
could be immediately located and identified, and the government would
know where you are at any given time. No more terrorism!

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If I could get on a plane without doing the airport hokey pokey, buy
things by waving my hand at the cash register and make it harder for
someone to impersonate me at the bank I would take a chip today.

If something like this happened to you, I think you'd carve that chip out
of your skin with a dull knife in an instant:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/ny...icologist.html



Why would the chip facilitate this case? More likely would prevent some
mistaken identity problems. My buddy, who is a retired Marine Colonel, was
stopped at the MX border while returning to the US. Had the same name as
somebody on the watch list. Had to convince them that he was not the other
person.

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:20:13 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Wouldn't it be more prudent and cost effective to have chips implanted
at birth? No more lost children or adults, in case of emergency you
could be immediately located and identified, and the government would
know where you are at any given time. No more terrorism!

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If I could get on a plane without doing the airport hokey pokey, buy
things by waving my hand at the cash register and make it harder for
someone to impersonate me at the bank I would take a chip today.

If something like this happened to you, I think you'd carve that chip out
of your skin with a dull knife in an instant:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/ny...icologist.html



Why would the chip facilitate this case? More likely would prevent some
mistaken identity problems. My buddy, who is a retired Marine Colonel,
was stopped at the MX border while returning to the US. Had the same name
as somebody on the watch list. Had to convince them that he was not the
other person.


Your buddy's situation may be quite different than that of the woman in the
article. She may be the only person on earth with that name, but somehow,
she's been pegged as persona non grata. How would a chip help her?

On Oct 31, 9:17 am, Chuck Gould wrote:
USA Today reports this morning that Homeland Security has ordered one
of its divisions, (the USCG) to define a plan to positively identify
boaters. The rationale is that small boats could be loaded with
explosives and used to
blow up military or commercial vessels, ala USS Cole. Until the USCG
presents its plan we don't know the details, but possible requirements
*could* include, at a minimum, carrying a national Boater ID card.
(Something the Administration seems to favor, based on its proposals
in several areas).

These programs tend to grow like Topsy. Once the "ID Card" gets the
camel nose under the tent, some bureaucrat on a 4-hour lunchbreak in
DC will get the bright idea..."Hey, if we require every boat to carry
a GPS transponder we'll need a new department with 50,000 employees
and 200 locations to track the movement of every boat on the water. I
can be appointed supervisor and get promoted from a GS(whatever) to a
grade where I'll make another $100k a year! We can require every
boater to buy a transponder, and put in a tax of $100 per boat per
year to support the monitoring!"

ID card?, maybe mandatory transponders?, perhaps eventually mandatory
GPS "chips" carried on the person 24/7 so everybody can be monitored
at all times wherever they go? If the 9-11 terrorists had a goal to
prfoundly change our way of life in America, it looks like they
succeeded. George Orwell was right, he just never anticipated the
government would be spying on us all by satellite.

At least it will be easy to know how the bad guys are. They will be
the folks
who don't carry the ID, don't use the transponder, and don't carry
their mandatory GPS personal tracking chip 24-7. Of course we won't
know *where* they are until it's too late.......so what's the real
difference between all of the potential government snooping and just
letting people live their lives with a modicum of privacy?

sounds to me like the old "chip-under-the-skin" deal.

1984?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even
have a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch

Very, VERY bad idea....

I can think of one presidential candidate who would probably love the
idea. You know .... the one that wants to bonus every kid with 5k at
birth. How else will your "investment" be tracked?

Eisboch


Read a story in the NY Times about a month ago, about a British woman who's
been visiting here to teach for quite a few years. Suddenly, her visa was
revoked. Friends here have asked their congressman to look into it, and
they've had lawyers pound the government for answers, but absolutely nobody
can seem to find out what the problem is. She doesn't seem to be even
remotely connected with terrorism issues.

With a government like ours, this could be you or I mistakenly labeled as
who-knows-what. I wouldn't wanna be "chipped" under those circumstances.



Joe,
I have been forwarding all of your posts to the proper govt. agency, and
they do not appreciate your attitude. I am not sure what they meant,
but they said something about Gitmo.