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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:36:07 -0400, HK wrote:

What risk?

Have all of your self assembled PCs worked right out of the box? I've
built more than a few myself, the vast majority of which worked just
fine. When they don't though, you are on your own for troubleshooting
and problem isolation. If you buy pre-assembled and it doesn't work
all you have to do is call up and get a RMA number.


I've built at least two dozen PCs over the years. All but one worked
perfectly right out of the box. The one that did not had a bad power
supply. As soon as I swapped it out, it came to life.

I don't buy Brand X components, and I try to deal with reputable
vendors, both at point of sale and further back, at point of manufacture.

As an example, on my current desktop, I was not satisfied with the
performance of the HP DVD writer/Lightscribe printer. I called HP, got
an RMA *and* HP agreed to a hot swap. I've encountered "hot swaps" with
Seagate and other drive manufacturers.

I appreciate what you are saying, though. I don't "build" my laptops.
But I don't try to stay on the edge with those, since my use of them is
really limited to on the road use and what I am looking for there is
durability.

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Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and when
that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all running
XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista on it. That
vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing shares on the
network, such as a printer at another workstation. If you print during one
of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until
it finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it
for a time. That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Microsoft: 88 Million Copies of Vista Shipped
Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises, Windows
Vista's numbers keep growing.
Eric Lai, Computerworld
Friday, October 26, 2007 09:00 AM PDT

Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises, Windows
Vista's numbers keep growing, with Microsoft Corp. saying Thursday that
it has now shipped *88 million copies* of the operating system, almost
double the number of copies of XP in the same amount of time at its
launch.

The 88 million figure mostly includes Vista-installed PCs bought by
consumers and small businesses,

Harry,
I guess if that just shows if you push Vista at the OEM side, that even a
dog like Vista can get out in the Marketplace. While the number of
copies of Vista is double that of XP, did you read that there were more
than double the number of computers sold?

JimH purchased Vista thinking it was great and the first thing he wanted
to do is figure out a way to tweak it so it wouldn't run so slow. It just
goes to show you PT Barnum was correct.

What did you think of Vista doubling the market share of Macs, now that is
REALLY impressive.

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Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and when
that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all running
XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista on it. That
vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing shares on the
network, such as a printer at another workstation. If you print during one
of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until
it finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it
for a time. That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines running
VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third floor, where
she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily print on that
printer from my office, two floors away, and she can easily print on my
HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

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HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista
on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing
shares on the network, such as a printer at another workstation. If
you print during one of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286
for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up, displaying an error
message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time. That system will get
XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines running
VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third floor, where
she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily print on that
printer from my office, two floors away, and she can easily print on my
HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was a
problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to print
out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a problem
with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the problem.
She has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have them come over
and sort it out.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista
on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing
shares on the network, such as a printer at another workstation. If
you print during one of these episodes, the thing runs like an old
286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up, displaying an
error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time. That system
will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily
print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she can
easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was a
problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to print
out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a problem
with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the problem. She
has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have them come over and
sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up,
displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time.
That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can
easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she
can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was
a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to
print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a
problem with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the
problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have
them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does
it say about Vista?

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up,
displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time.
That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can
easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and
she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have the
time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad and I
told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does
it say about Vista?



That you have to read the directions. I haven't had any problems
connecting VISTA to hardware, but, then, I read the directions.

Did you run a windows printer test page when you were finished? Did it
print properly?

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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista
on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing
shares on the network, such as a printer at another workstation. If
you print during one of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286
for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up, displaying an error
message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time. That system will get
XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily
print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she can
easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.
On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was a
problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to print
out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a problem
with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the problem. She
has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have them come over and
sort it out.

I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.
I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to wireless
or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does it
say about Vista?


If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a computer
problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?



She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and identify
if the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker than I could.
If it really was a software problem, that this would be the first time
in 20 years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I was not able
easily install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any problems.
That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real "IT geeks"
(those who make their living keeping systems up and running) have
steered clear of Vista.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives
up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a
time. That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer.
I can easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away,
and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have
the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad
and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?



That you have to read the directions. I haven't had any problems
connecting VISTA to hardware, but, then, I read the directions.

Did you run a windows printer test page when you were finished? Did it
print properly?

yes it did, but it was a one page colored document. If the printer was
set up to print the last page first, it would not print the first page.
If it was set up to run the first page first, it would not print the
last page.

I did a test running 4 pages, with only the number printed on each page.
All 4 pages ran. It might have been that her documents had the
margins set up outside of the accepted margins of Vista, but that has
never stopped a page from printing in other versions of Windows, the
page just may not have printed correctly. In WinXP, her document would
print out perfectly.

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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up,
displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time.
That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can
easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she
can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.
On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was
a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to
print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a
problem with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the
problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have
them come over and sort it out.
I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.
I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does
it say about Vista?

If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a computer
problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?
She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and identify if
the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker than I could. If it
really was a software problem, that this would be the first time in 20
years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I was not able easily
install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any problems.
That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real "IT geeks" (those
who make their living keeping systems up and running) have steered clear
of Vista.




My son's laptop with VISTA has been running flawlessly since 11-9.

The "Geek Squad"............what a laugh.



I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network...
all running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came
with Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having
problems accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at
another workstation. If you print during one of these episodes,
the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it
finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually
cures it for a time. That system will get XP when I have some
time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser
printer. I can easily print on that printer from my office, two
floors away, and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple
Windows networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have
the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad
and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?



That you have to read the directions. I haven't had any problems
connecting VISTA to hardware, but, then, I read the directions.

Did you run a windows printer test page when you were finished? Did it
print properly?

yes it did, but it was a one page colored document. If the printer was
set up to print the last page first, it would not print the first page.
If it was set up to run the first page first, it would not print the
last page.

I did a test running 4 pages, with only the number printed on each page.
All 4 pages ran. It might have been that her documents had the margins
set up outside of the accepted margins of Vista, but that has never
stopped a page from printing in other versions of Windows, the page just
may not have printed correctly. In WinXP, her document would print out
perfectly.






Sounds like a driver issue, not a Vista issue, or maybe a word processor
issue.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set up
of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step process,
and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as an option)
. When the printer started to have problems, I followed the trouble
shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution available
in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our problem. So, I
updated Vista (it had already installed all updates) double checked the
printer driver (it had the correct driver) then reinstalled the printer
program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they were
not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?

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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set up
of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step process,
and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as an option)
. When the printer started to have problems, I followed the trouble
shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution available
in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our problem. So, I
updated Vista (it had already installed all updates) double checked the
printer driver (it had the correct driver) then reinstalled the printer
program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they were
not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?



That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver".
I specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?

That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver". I
specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.


Good.

I was listening to Leo LaPorte the other evening and he commented on copious
problems people are having with Vista and networking. Some work fine and
others are pulling their hair out.

I've installed Vista on this machine as a second OS just to give it a
cursory look see. From what I have seen so far I haven't been convinced to
switch from XP. I haven't tried to network my home PCs yet with Vista and
XP together. For fun, or frustration, maybe I'll give it a try.

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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.
Did you check for a more recent printer driver?
That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver". I
specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.


Good.

I was listening to Leo LaPorte the other evening and he commented on copious
problems people are having with Vista and networking. Some work fine and
others are pulling their hair out.

I've installed Vista on this machine as a second OS just to give it a
cursory look see. From what I have seen so far I haven't been convinced to
switch from XP. I haven't tried to network my home PCs yet with Vista and
XP together. For fun, or frustration, maybe I'll give it a try.



I really could not figure out what the advantage of Vista was, even if
it was running correctly and didn't use more memory than WinXP. It
looks to me that the security upgrades in Vista are available via XP
updates.

I am sure the different look of the Start Menu, and what not, will
become 2nd nature after you use it for awhile, I just can not understand
why anyone would want to.

Microsoft understands this is a common perception with Vista and is
now allowing resellers to provide users who purchased computers
with Vista to provide their customers a free version of WinXP. Even if
your computer is running perfectly, I can't figure out why one would
want to tie up resources with their OS instead of using them on your
programs.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I really could not figure out what the advantage of Vista was, even if
it was running correctly and didn't use more memory than WinXP. It
looks to me that the security upgrades in Vista are available via XP
updates.



The real answer is, you simply don't know and apparently are satisifed
with not knowing.

One answer: VISTA addresses more memory than XP. Even the 32-bit version
of VISTA address more memory than XP.

There are other reasons.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I really could not figure out what the advantage of Vista was, even if
it was running correctly and didn't use more memory than WinXP. It
looks to me that the security upgrades in Vista are available via XP
updates.



The real answer is, you simply don't know and apparently are satisifed
with not knowing.

One answer: VISTA addresses more memory than XP. Even the 32-bit version
of VISTA address more memory than XP.

There are other reasons.

That seems to be one of the problems people are having with Vista and
resulting in Vista crashing more often than their Win XP system.
Especially those who run memory demanding software, such as games.
"Appropriately, the difference in address space usage was the reason
that Supreme Commander would not crash under XP like it would under Vista"

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3044

Since the two oldest don't live at home, we don't use my computer for
games. I use Office 2003, and don't plan on upgrading anytime soon. I
don't have any problems with my current system running all of my
programs, and never have a problem with the system crashing, but I have
an old habit of reboot every morning. I am not sure if I really need to
do this, but I just do.

I am glad Vista works great for you and JimH, but it is easy to
understand why large users of Windows, serviced by IT professionals,
have not converted over. It also explains why Microsoft, for the first
time ever, is making it very easy for people to purchase an outdated
version of Windows, or even get a free downgrade to an older version of
windows after purchasing Vista.

As you said, I am not a "Vista Geek", most of us are not "Vista Geeks",
and most of us don't want to be a "Vista Geek", all we want is to use
our computers without any problems.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..

HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

HK wrote:

Mike wrote:

Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network...
all running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came
with Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having
problems accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at
another workstation. If you print during one of these episodes,
the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it
finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually
cures it for a time. That system will get XP when I have some
time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser
printer. I can easily print on that printer from my office, two
floors away, and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple
Windows networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have
the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad
and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?


If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a
computer problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?


She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and identify
if the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker than I could.
If it really was a software problem, that this would be the first time
in 20 years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I was not able
easily install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any problems.
That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real "IT geeks"
(those who make their living keeping systems up and running) have
steered clear of Vista.



There is a great deal of learning curve on Vista. I have Vista
Ultimate..and I had to re-install twice. First the Upgrade did not work
due to many special applications running on my computer. Therefore, I
formatted and install freash Vista and no problems installing all my
apps. There was a few kinks, but was easily resolved by understanding
the Vista Security settings.

I love it now...but sooner or later you guys needs to switch to vista,
because Microsoft is coming out with a newer OS updates next year and
possibly the next level OS to replace Vista.

I believe MS is trying to convert people and they hear people saying
they like Windows XP interface and hate Vista, so I can surmise that MS
will blend the two together to give you dual options on the interface
rather than strictly 1 type of interface.

Enjoy..

Gil

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

D.Duck wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..

HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your
superior computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a
problem installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make
their living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper
set up of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista
as an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I
followed the trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not
have any solution available in the troubleshooting guide that was
appropriate to our problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already
installed all updates) double checked the printer driver (it had the
correct driver) then reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled
Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so
I printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She
had her resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also
tried to print out a web page, it would not print the last page of
the web site. Her printer was working half the time, and told her
she really should take advantage of the service contract she had
already paid for. If they were not able to correct the problem, she
will let me know.


Did you check for a more recent printer driver?


That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver". I
specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.

You might want to try this..simply delete the printer driver from the
computer. Remove the CD Rom from the comptuer that contains the driver.
Go and install the printer drive, and let the Vista choose it own
printer driver it has.

If that does not work, check the printer manual for compatable printer
driver and manually install the next older version of the driver.

Sorry you are having difficulty. Just remember, when Vista came out,
bunch of manufacturers was scrambling to get drivers working for Vista
and they may not have plugged in all the holes in the drivers.

Gil

p.s. I thought this was a boating topic newsgroup..not computers...

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Gil wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..

HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

HK wrote:

Mike wrote:

Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network...
all running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came
with Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having
problems accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at
another workstation. If you print during one of these episodes,
the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it
finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually
cures it for a time. That system will get XP when I have some
time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser
printer. I can easily print on that printer from my office, two
floors away, and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple
Windows networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it
seems to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis.
I thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not
have the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek
Squad and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?


If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a
computer problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?


She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and
identify if the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker
than I could. If it really was a software problem, that this would be
the first time in 20 years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I
was not able easily install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any
problems. That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real
"IT geeks" (those who make their living keeping systems up and
running) have steered clear of Vista.



There is a great deal of learning curve on Vista. I have Vista
Ultimate..and I had to re-install twice. First the Upgrade did not work
due to many special applications running on my computer. Therefore, I
formatted and install freash Vista and no problems installing all my
apps. There was a few kinks, but was easily resolved by understanding
the Vista Security settings.

I love it now...but sooner or later you guys needs to switch to vista,
because Microsoft is coming out with a newer OS updates next year and
possibly the next level OS to replace Vista.

I believe MS is trying to convert people and they hear people saying
they like Windows XP interface and hate Vista, so I can surmise that MS
will blend the two together to give you dual options on the interface
rather than strictly 1 type of interface.

Enjoy..

Gil


You are correct in that "upgrades" from one MS OS to a later one is not
the way to go.

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On Nov 12, 1:48 pm, HK wrote:
Gil wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
messagenews:4NydnZoGgvwzxKXanZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@comca st.com...

HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

HK wrote:

Mike wrote:

Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network...
all running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came
with Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having
problems accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at
another workstation. If you print during one of these episodes,
the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it
finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually
cures it for a time. That system will get XP when I have some
time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser
printer. I can easily print on that printer from my office, two
floors away, and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple
Windows networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it
seems to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis.
I thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not
have the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek
Squad and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.

I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?

If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a
computer problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?

She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and
identify if the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker
than I could. If it really was a software problem, that this would be
the first time in 20 years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I
was not able easily install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any
problems. That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real
"IT geeks" (those who make their living keeping systems up and
running) have steered clear of Vista.

There is a great deal of learning curve on Vista. I have Vista
Ultimate..and I had to re-install twice. First the Upgrade did not work
due to many special applications running on my computer. Therefore, I
formatted and install freash Vista and no problems installing all my
apps. There was a few kinks, but was easily resolved by understanding
the Vista Security settings.

I love it now...but sooner or later you guys needs to switch to vista,
because Microsoft is coming out with a newer OS updates next year and
possibly the next level OS to replace Vista.

I believe MS is trying to convert people and they hear people saying
they like Windows XP interface and hate Vista, so I can surmise that MS
will blend the two together to give you dual options on the interface
rather than strictly 1 type of interface.

Enjoy..

Gil

You are correct in that "upgrades" from one MS OS to a later one is not
the way to go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not directed to you Harry, just catching up on the posts. I run Vista
and aside from a couple of software packages I had to wait a few weeks
to come up with Vista compatable stuff, I have had few if any
operating system problems, no crashes at all that I have noticed. I
have it as OEM on a Toshiba sattelite pro. Vista home edition...

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:23:15 -0500, HK wrote:


One answer: VISTA addresses more memory than XP. Even the 32-bit version
of VISTA address more memory than XP.

You do know, XP had a 64-bit edition.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:39:23 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:23:15 -0500, HK wrote:


One answer: VISTA addresses more memory than XP. Even the 32-bit
version of VISTA address more memory than XP.

You do know, XP had a 64-bit edition.


Sure do. Seen much of it?

No, I break out in hives when I'm around anything Microsoft. ;-)

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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Nov 12, 1:48 pm, HK wrote:

There is a great deal of learning curve on Vista. I have Vista
Ultimate..and I had to re-install twice. First the Upgrade did not
work
due to many special applications running on my computer. Therefore, I
formatted and install freash Vista and no problems installing all my
apps. There was a few kinks, but was easily resolved by understanding
the Vista Security settings.
I love it now...but sooner or later you guys needs to switch to vista,
because Microsoft is coming out with a newer OS updates next year and
possibly the next level OS to replace Vista.
I believe MS is trying to convert people and they hear people saying
they like Windows XP interface and hate Vista, so I can surmise that MS
will blend the two together to give you dual options on the interface
rather than strictly 1 type of interface.
Enjoy..
Gil
You are correct in that "upgrades" from one MS OS to a later one is not
the way to go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Not directed to you Harry, just catching up on the posts. I run Vista
and aside from a couple of software packages I had to wait a few weeks
to come up with Vista compatable stuff, I have had few if any
operating system problems, no crashes at all that I have noticed. I
have it as OEM on a Toshiba sattelite pro. Vista home edition...


I don't have any "VISTA problems," either.

The funny thing is that the only ones with VISTA problems are the ones who
never used it. ;-)



Have you read any of the expert and IT pros who write articles for the
computer magazines and web sites? These are not only people who have
used Vista, but have a much broader exposure to the problems encountered
in a variety of applications than any of us in rec.boats. I know you
prefer to use UseNet as your source of information, so I am sure you are
getting the most accurate, complete and unbiased analysis. Then again,
you are the kind of person who goes along with a mechanic when he says
your impeller of unknown age, is in good shape and doesn't need to be
checked or replaced, because it is spitting water out. Then you are
upset when you have an expensive problem due to a failed impeller. To
each his own.

I personally am having NO problems with Vista, my friend who has a
computer that can't print correctly is having some problems, but I have
no problems. I am using WinXP.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I personally am having NO problems with Vista, my friend who has a
computer that can't print correctly is having some problems, but I have
no problems. I am using WinXP.

We'll just chalk this up as yet another subject about which you know
nothing yet insist on posting about, eh?

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I personally am having NO problems with Vista, my friend who has a
computer that can't print correctly is having some problems, but I
have no problems. I am using WinXP.

We'll just chalk this up as yet another subject about which you know
nothing yet insist on posting about, eh?

No, everything I have posted about Windows Vista and Windows XP I know
is 100% correct.

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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Nov 12, 1:48 pm, HK wrote:
There is a great deal of learning curve on Vista. I have Vista
Ultimate..and I had to re-install twice. First the Upgrade did not
work
due to many special applications running on my computer. Therefore,
I
formatted and install freash Vista and no problems installing all my
apps. There was a few kinks, but was easily resolved by
understanding
the Vista Security settings.
I love it now...but sooner or later you guys needs to switch to
vista,
because Microsoft is coming out with a newer OS updates next year and
possibly the next level OS to replace Vista.
I believe MS is trying to convert people and they hear people saying
they like Windows XP interface and hate Vista, so I can surmise that
MS
will blend the two together to give you dual options on the interface
rather than strictly 1 type of interface.
Enjoy..
Gil
You are correct in that "upgrades" from one MS OS to a later one is
not
the way to go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Not directed to you Harry, just catching up on the posts. I run Vista
and aside from a couple of software packages I had to wait a few weeks
to come up with Vista compatable stuff, I have had few if any
operating system problems, no crashes at all that I have noticed. I
have it as OEM on a Toshiba sattelite pro. Vista home edition...

I don't have any "VISTA problems," either.
The funny thing is that the only ones with VISTA problems are the ones
who never used it. ;-)

I am using WinXP.

'nuff said. ;-)


NP, but I could have saved you some big bucks if you had listened to me
about your impeller. ;)

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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I personally am having NO problems with Vista, my friend who has a
computer that can't print correctly is having some problems, but I have
no problems. I am using WinXP.
We'll just chalk this up as yet another subject about which you know
nothing yet insist on posting about, eh?
No, everything I have posted about Windows Vista and Windows XP I know is
100% correct.


Because someone else said so? Do you have any original thoughts?



Yes

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" JimH" ask wrote in message
...

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..


I don't have any "VISTA problems," either.

The funny thing is that the only ones with VISTA problems are the ones
who never used it. ;-)

I am using WinXP.

'nuff said. ;-)


Don't mean to interrupt but JimH, I think the "whoosh" was on you.

Eisboch

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" JimH" ask wrote in message
...

Not really. If you followed his previous comments, including those in
other threads regarding VISTA, he indeed had a problem with it based on
what others have said.

Key words..........."what others have said"

A whoosh back to you.


Ok. I concede. You win.

BTW, I don't have any Vista problems either.
I use XP.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
...

Not really. If you followed his previous comments, including those in
other threads regarding VISTA, he indeed had a problem with it based on
what others have said.

Key words..........."what others have said"

A whoosh back to you.


Ok. I concede. You win.

BTW, I don't have any Vista problems either.
I use XP.

Eisboch



Thank of all the benefits you can get by upgrading to Windows Vista. ;)

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
...

Not really. If you followed his previous comments, including those
in other threads regarding VISTA, he indeed had a problem with it
based on what others have said.

Key words..........."what others have said"

A whoosh back to you.


Ok. I concede. You win.

BTW, I don't have any Vista problems either.
I use XP.

Eisboch


ThInk of all the benefits you can get by upgrading to Windows Vista. ;)

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

FWIW, my brother, who just left, bought a new machine with Vista installed.
He loaded MS Outlook, but it had crashing problems with Vista. He got the
new Outlook 2007. It crashes with Vista. He's now going to try Mozilla and
Thunderbird (or whatever it is) and see if that works with Vista.

He advises that Vista is a piece of crap. But, he doesn't have near the
expertise of some of the folks here.


Does your brother's computer expertise exceed that of you and Reggie
combined?

My 14-year-old nephew installed VISTA on his laptop and runs the Office
2007 suite just fine, including Outlook.

Interesting that your brother apparently got a "standalone" copy of
Outlook 2007.

For VISTA fans everywhere
 

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

FWIW, my brother, who just left, bought a new machine with Vista installed.
He loaded MS Outlook, but it had crashing problems with Vista. He got the
new Outlook 2007. It crashes with Vista. He's now going to try Mozilla and
Thunderbird (or whatever it is) and see if that works with Vista.

He advises that Vista is a piece of crap. But, he doesn't have near the
expertise of some of the folks here.

For VISTA fans everywhere
 

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:09:10 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.
FWIW, my brother, who just left, bought a new machine with Vista installed.
He loaded MS Outlook, but it had crashing problems with Vista. He got the
new Outlook 2007. It crashes with Vista. He's now going to try Mozilla and
Thunderbird (or whatever it is) and see if that works with Vista.

He advises that Vista is a piece of crap. But, he doesn't have near the
expertise of some of the folks here.

Does your brother's computer expertise exceed that of you and Reggie
combined?

My 14-year-old nephew installed VISTA on his laptop and runs the Office
2007 suite just fine, including Outlook.

Interesting that your brother apparently got a "standalone" copy of
Outlook 2007.

Harry, *your* computer expertise far exceeds mine!


Does the rest of Office 2007 work for your brother, or did he just
install Outlook 2007?

For VISTA fans everywhere
 

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:09:10 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

FWIW, my brother, who just left, bought a new machine with Vista installed.
He loaded MS Outlook, but it had crashing problems with Vista. He got the
new Outlook 2007. It crashes with Vista. He's now going to try Mozilla and
Thunderbird (or whatever it is) and see if that works with Vista.

He advises that Vista is a piece of crap. But, he doesn't have near the
expertise of some of the folks here.


Does your brother's computer expertise exceed that of you and Reggie
combined?

My 14-year-old nephew installed VISTA on his laptop and runs the Office
2007 suite just fine, including Outlook.

Interesting that your brother apparently got a "standalone" copy of
Outlook 2007.

Harry, *your* computer expertise far exceeds mine!