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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network...
all running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came
with Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having
problems accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at
another workstation. If you print during one of these episodes,
the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it
finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually
cures it for a time. That system will get XP when I have some
time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser
printer. I can easily print on that printer from my office, two
floors away, and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple
Windows networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have
the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad
and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?



That you have to read the directions. I haven't had any problems
connecting VISTA to hardware, but, then, I read the directions.

Did you run a windows printer test page when you were finished? Did it
print properly?

yes it did, but it was a one page colored document. If the printer was
set up to print the last page first, it would not print the first page.
If it was set up to run the first page first, it would not print the
last page.

I did a test running 4 pages, with only the number printed on each page.
All 4 pages ran. It might have been that her documents had the margins
set up outside of the accepted margins of Vista, but that has never
stopped a page from printing in other versions of Windows, the page just
may not have printed correctly. In WinXP, her document would print out
perfectly.






Sounds like a driver issue, not a Vista issue, or maybe a word processor
issue.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set up
of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step process,
and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as an option)
. When the printer started to have problems, I followed the trouble
shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution available
in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our problem. So, I
updated Vista (it had already installed all updates) double checked the
printer driver (it had the correct driver) then reinstalled the printer
program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they were
not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?

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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set up
of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step process,
and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as an option)
. When the printer started to have problems, I followed the trouble
shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution available
in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our problem. So, I
updated Vista (it had already installed all updates) double checked the
printer driver (it had the correct driver) then reinstalled the printer
program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they were
not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?



That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver".
I specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?

That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver". I
specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.


Good.

I was listening to Leo LaPorte the other evening and he commented on copious
problems people are having with Vista and networking. Some work fine and
others are pulling their hair out.

I've installed Vista on this machine as a second OS just to give it a
cursory look see. From what I have seen so far I haven't been convinced to
switch from XP. I haven't tried to network my home PCs yet with Vista and
XP together. For fun, or frustration, maybe I'll give it a try.

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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.
Did you check for a more recent printer driver?
That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver". I
specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.


Good.

I was listening to Leo LaPorte the other evening and he commented on copious
problems people are having with Vista and networking. Some work fine and
others are pulling their hair out.

I've installed Vista on this machine as a second OS just to give it a
cursory look see. From what I have seen so far I haven't been convinced to
switch from XP. I haven't tried to network my home PCs yet with Vista and
XP together. For fun, or frustration, maybe I'll give it a try.



I really could not figure out what the advantage of Vista was, even if
it was running correctly and didn't use more memory than WinXP. It
looks to me that the security upgrades in Vista are available via XP
updates.

I am sure the different look of the Start Menu, and what not, will
become 2nd nature after you use it for awhile, I just can not understand
why anyone would want to.

Microsoft understands this is a common perception with Vista and is
now allowing resellers to provide users who purchased computers
with Vista to provide their customers a free version of WinXP. Even if
your computer is running perfectly, I can't figure out why one would
want to tie up resources with their OS instead of using them on your
programs.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I really could not figure out what the advantage of Vista was, even if
it was running correctly and didn't use more memory than WinXP. It
looks to me that the security upgrades in Vista are available via XP
updates.



The real answer is, you simply don't know and apparently are satisifed
with not knowing.

One answer: VISTA addresses more memory than XP. Even the 32-bit version
of VISTA address more memory than XP.

There are other reasons.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I really could not figure out what the advantage of Vista was, even if
it was running correctly and didn't use more memory than WinXP. It
looks to me that the security upgrades in Vista are available via XP
updates.



The real answer is, you simply don't know and apparently are satisifed
with not knowing.

One answer: VISTA addresses more memory than XP. Even the 32-bit version
of VISTA address more memory than XP.

There are other reasons.

That seems to be one of the problems people are having with Vista and
resulting in Vista crashing more often than their Win XP system.
Especially those who run memory demanding software, such as games.
"Appropriately, the difference in address space usage was the reason
that Supreme Commander would not crash under XP like it would under Vista"

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3044

Since the two oldest don't live at home, we don't use my computer for
games. I use Office 2003, and don't plan on upgrading anytime soon. I
don't have any problems with my current system running all of my
programs, and never have a problem with the system crashing, but I have
an old habit of reboot every morning. I am not sure if I really need to
do this, but I just do.

I am glad Vista works great for you and JimH, but it is easy to
understand why large users of Windows, serviced by IT professionals,
have not converted over. It also explains why Microsoft, for the first
time ever, is making it very easy for people to purchase an outdated
version of Windows, or even get a free downgrade to an older version of
windows after purchasing Vista.

As you said, I am not a "Vista Geek", most of us are not "Vista Geeks",
and most of us don't want to be a "Vista Geek", all we want is to use
our computers without any problems.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..

HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

HK wrote:

Mike wrote:

Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network...
all running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came
with Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having
problems accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at
another workstation. If you print during one of these episodes,
the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it
finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually
cures it for a time. That system will get XP when I have some
time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser
printer. I can easily print on that printer from my office, two
floors away, and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple
Windows networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have
the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad
and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?


If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a
computer problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?


She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and identify
if the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker than I could.
If it really was a software problem, that this would be the first time
in 20 years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I was not able
easily install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any problems.
That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real "IT geeks"
(those who make their living keeping systems up and running) have
steered clear of Vista.



There is a great deal of learning curve on Vista. I have Vista
Ultimate..and I had to re-install twice. First the Upgrade did not work
due to many special applications running on my computer. Therefore, I
formatted and install freash Vista and no problems installing all my
apps. There was a few kinks, but was easily resolved by understanding
the Vista Security settings.

I love it now...but sooner or later you guys needs to switch to vista,
because Microsoft is coming out with a newer OS updates next year and
possibly the next level OS to replace Vista.

I believe MS is trying to convert people and they hear people saying
they like Windows XP interface and hate Vista, so I can surmise that MS
will blend the two together to give you dual options on the interface
rather than strictly 1 type of interface.

Enjoy..

Gil