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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:21:22 -0400, HK wrote:

Yeah, obviously. Wayne apparently hasn't bought a new computer since he
retired.

Darn right, I buy new computers when I need them, not until. I built
a "Super PC" once similar to what you do. It was nifty at the time
but obsolete in a year or so. Why bother unless it is just a hobby to
do that sort of thing.

I have never been obsessed with a need to have the "latest and
greatest". That's all Detroit marketing BS as far as I'm concerned,
designed to separate the gullible from their money.

And I can buy more computer already built and tested for less money than a
DIY project.

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"Calif Bill" wrote:

"Marc Heusser" d wrote in
message ...

Apple by now has half the market capitalization of Microsoft, which says
something as it is bigger than Oracle, IBM, Intel or HP. Its market
share probably grew 37% last year (estimate for 4th quarter). It is
currently at 8% market share.
And its newest operating system release (Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard") sells
at USD 129 (everyone gets the "ultimate" version) - and is in many ways
more advanced.
But still, in absolute numbers of operating systems sold, Microsoft
rules.

Marc

But Apple also includes the selling of 90 million Ipods. Lot of profit
there.

Above numbers of market share are for computers (desktop and laptop - in
laptops it is even higher).
in iPods it is rather like 70%.
As for the valuation: it also includes the iPhone - but luckily all
three divisions are profitable.
Anyway: Back to boating :-)

Marc

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http://www.heusser.com

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BAR wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Marc Heusser" d
wrote in message ...
In article ,
thunder wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:27:09 -0400, HK wrote:


Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises,
Windows Vista's numbers keep growing, with Microsoft Corp. saying
Thursday that it has now shipped *88 million copies* of the operating
system, almost double the number of copies of XP in the same amount of
time at its launch.
Almost double? Doesn't seem that impressive when you consider the
personal
computer
market has almost doubled since XP was introduced. In 2002, there
were 51
million PCs sold.
In 2007, 96 million are expected to be sold.
Apple by now has half the market capitalization of Microsoft, which says
something as it is bigger than Oracle, IBM, Intel or HP. Its market
share probably grew 37% last year (estimate for 4th quarter). It is
currently at 8% market share.
And its newest operating system release (Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard") sells
at USD 129 (everyone gets the "ultimate" version) - and is in many ways
more advanced.
But still, in absolute numbers of operating systems sold, Microsoft
rules.

Marc

--
remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail
http://www.heusser.com

But Apple also includes the selling of 90 million Ipods. Lot of
profit there.

Maybe Microsoft should include the selling of hundreds of Zune's


Did they sell that many Zunes? I've never seen one.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:46:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

And I can buy more computer already built and tested for less money than a
DIY project.

Yes, and less risk also.

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Marc Heusser" d
wrote in message ...
In article ,
thunder wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:27:09 -0400, HK wrote:


Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises,
Windows Vista's numbers keep growing, with Microsoft Corp. saying
Thursday that it has now shipped *88 million copies* of the operating
system, almost double the number of copies of XP in the same
amount of
time at its launch.
Almost double? Doesn't seem that impressive when you consider the
personal
computer
market has almost doubled since XP was introduced. In 2002, there
were 51
million PCs sold.
In 2007, 96 million are expected to be sold.
Apple by now has half the market capitalization of Microsoft, which
says
something as it is bigger than Oracle, IBM, Intel or HP. Its market
share probably grew 37% last year (estimate for 4th quarter). It is
currently at 8% market share.
And its newest operating system release (Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard") sells
at USD 129 (everyone gets the "ultimate" version) - and is in many ways
more advanced.
But still, in absolute numbers of operating systems sold, Microsoft
rules.

Marc

--
remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail
http://www.heusser.com

But Apple also includes the selling of 90 million Ipods. Lot of
profit there.

Maybe Microsoft should include the selling of hundreds of Zune's


Did they sell that many Zunes? I've never seen one.

Yes, they did sell a few hundred, but the people who purchased them are
too ashamed to display them. They keep them hidden.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:46:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

And I can buy more computer already built and tested for less money than a
DIY project.

Yes, and less risk also.


To buy a ready-made PC with the high end specs of the last one I built
would have cost nearly twice as much from one of the only one or two
vendors that actually builds such machines. Most of the "high end" PCs
from the big name vendors incorporate some really annoying hardware
shortcuts, or have padded out prices because of silly features, such as
tricked out cases with lighting effects.

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:46:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

And I can buy more computer already built and tested for less money
than a DIY project.

Yes, and less risk also.


To buy a ready-made PC with the high end specs of the last one I built
would have cost nearly twice as much from one of the only one or two
vendors that actually builds such machines. Most of the "high end" PCs
from the big name vendors incorporate some really annoying hardware
shortcuts, or have padded out prices because of silly features, such as
tricked out cases with lighting effects.

One of those silly features is factoring the cost of support, how would
you like to talk to idiots like yourself every day whining about their
computer.

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:46:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

And I can buy more computer already built and tested for less money
than a DIY project.

Yes, and less risk also.


To buy a ready-made PC with the high end specs of the last one I built
would have cost nearly twice as much from one of the only one or two
vendors that actually builds such machines. Most of the "high end" PCs
from the big name vendors incorporate some really annoying hardware
shortcuts, or have padded out prices because of silly features, such
as tricked out cases with lighting effects.

One of those silly features is factoring the cost of support,

The problem is NONE of the large computer companies really provide good
support. The best is mediocre. It is quicker to solve the problem
yourself than to use customer none-service. I had a blue screen of
death problems with my brand new Dell (less than a week old). The
screen said my hard drive was corrupted and to contact the mfg'ers. The
service tech had me disconnecting every single item in the box (DVD,
Hard Drive, CPU etc.) After we did all of this, and the problem
continued, I asked him about my 3 year in home service program. His
reply was "Yes you have a 3 year in home service agreement, but right
now we are diagnosing the problem, once we have figured out what the
problem is, then we will send out a technician. When I told him the
Blue Screen told me it was a computed hard drive, he said we still
needed to continue with the diagnostics. After 4 hrs of pulling each
hardware item out, reinstalling the item, plugging all wires into the
system, and repeating the same procedure over again, it still would not
boot up.

I finally said, "look you really need to send someone out to replace the
hard drive or I will have to return this computer", he asked me if I
would like to have an RTV number. Dell finds it cheaper to return the
product and lose the sale, than to actually send out a tech to repair
the product. Don't plan on having GOOD customer support from any of the
big guys. If you buy from one of the smaller guys, you will pay for the
Good support.

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JimH wrote:

That processor was an *upgrade*.



Your son will love it. It is nice to see how proud you are of your son
and his accomplishment of tackling a difficult task and succeeding.
When does he find out his next assignment. I would assume he now moves
onto his next phase of training.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:35:04 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:12:39 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...
D-unit wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D-unit wrote:

Dear MS (Bill)

Can I get a refund on my copy Vista?

I hate it. Its slow, locks up and does things I don't like.
An OS shouldn't do that.


I just want to run applications as fast as possible. Thats all.
I wouldn't install this bloatware on my work machines unless I
wanted to loose my job and was looking for a way out.


I bought Vista, my stoopid, I know.

db

VISTA isn't slow if you are running the right processor and an
appropriate amount of memory for the applications you use.

Bet you're not.


Apparently not. I have 1 gig of mem, I think you suggested at least 2.

Holy crikey.

My Gateway should have never come with it pre-loaded.
(again my fault)

I figured since it was on there, it should like...be fun/exciting to
use.
Its like
trying to run a marathon with your shoe laces tied together.

db~gimme a C:\ "a keyboard.....how quaint"






Memory is cheap. Find out what you have in there and add another stick
or
two so you have 2 gigs. Were you aware that VISTA with the proper amount
of member does a better job handling several open apps simultaneously?

I can run Adobe Bridge CS3 and Photoshop CS3, working on photos, and at
the same time run my web browser actively, along with my email program,
and my word processor, and switch between the apps almost
instantaneously.
If I also try to burn a DVD at the same time all these apps are running,
the slowdown is noticeable but management, and none of the apps crash.

Try that with XP.

Plus, even though VISTA 64 is way ahead of its time right now, there are
some great new apps coming that will take advantage of it. As soon as
some
start appearing, my current desktop will become a server and I'll build
a
new 64-bit box.


Cheers.



My son's laptop has 2GB, DDR2, 667MHz 2 Dimm memory and the processor is
AMD
Turion 64 X2 TL-60 (2.0GHz/1MB).

I posed the question of the concerns posted here in a computer forum.
Here
is one of the responses I received from what I would judge to be one of
the
experts in the forum on computers

I had a new desktop built in February loaded with Vista. It's wonderful
and
I am delighted with it.
-----------------------------------
Every time MS brings out new software the prophets of doom and gloom come
out of their comfort zone and start whining. The people who condemn Vista
today are the same people who tomorrow will enjoy Vista and will have
forgotten their reluctance to change. It's no different to the same
arguments made when changing from Windows 95 to 98 and then to XP all over
again.

The main protagonists seem to be conservative and frugal home and small
business users who cannot easily afford the hardware required and large
commercial organizations where such a major change would eat into their
mega
profits.

Take no notice and enjoy it.
--------------------------------------------------

Do you see the same trend Harry? Precious! ;-)


Wouldn't it be better to send Harry an email?

In any case, I'm sure your son is thrilled with his laptop. That was a
most
generous thing to do.

Once again you seem to have a reading comprehension problem John H. He is
still in boot camp. So he is not thrilled with it as he has no idea he is
receiving it.

sigh

BTW, on what do you base a judgement of someone's computer knowledge in a
forum?

Based on their previous technical advice and the accuracy of that advice.
I also consider their willingness to step outside the box and experiment
with new technology. After all, that is the only way we move forward.

I have an understanding of the computer savvy folks in this NG.........you
and Reggie are not in that group.

Just for you John.............. ;-)


Oh, my mistake! I'll bet he *will* be most happy with his computer when you
give it to him! That will be a very generous thing you will have done.

From what you've written, I can see you have plenty of information on which
to judge the knowledge of another in a news group. I don't know about
Reggie, but I am certainly not computer savvy enough to meet your
expectations.

But, I still think he would be happier with an Intel processor, perhaps the
Intel Core 2 Duo Extreme Edition X7900, which is capable of overclocking to
3.4GHz. If he's like most servicemen, he'll enjoy playing games and
appreciate the speed of that processor. Plus, he won't have to explain why
he's using an AMD processor to everyone who asks.

Just something to think about.