On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:39:16 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
have ever used.


Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?

Or brown mustache?

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:39:16 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
have ever used.

Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?

Or brown mustache?

I don't want to know what you are talking about.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:57:45 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?

Or brown mustache?

I don't want to know what you are talking about.

Trust me, it's boat related.

On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
there
was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
of
the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
of
gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with

all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is

used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
I
have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
well,
so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.

Sherwin

You might try this stuff:

http://lat43.com/marine.html

Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
have ever used.

Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.

There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
illustrate.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
there
was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
of
the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
of
gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with
all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is
used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
I
have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
well,
so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.
Sherwin
You might try this stuff:
http://lat43.com/marine.html
Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
have ever used.
Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.

There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
illustrate.



Our spider poop must not be as strong as the NW spider poop, I can just
hose that off of my boat, even the parts I don't wax.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:03:54 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Chuck Gould wrote:
| On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
| wrote:
| Chuck Gould wrote:
| On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
| After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
| there
| was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
| of
| the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
| of
| gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with
| all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
| cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is
| used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
| Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
| I
| have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
| require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
| well,
| so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.
| Sherwin
| You might try this stuff:
| http://lat43.com/marine.html
| Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
| have ever used.
| Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
| be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.
|
| There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
| reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
| applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
| haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
| above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
| illustrate.
|
|
|
|Our spider poop must not be as strong as the NW spider poop, I can just
|hose that off of my boat, even the parts I don't wax.

Boy, I can't..... you can hardly SCRUB that crap off..... even from
things like glazed tile....

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Thanks for all the replies.

As far as wax, I give the hull a good coating of high quality boat wax before the
spring launch, and it doesn't seem to help protect the boat. This fresh water river

must have some nasty chemicals in it. I certainly wouldn't go in this water to try
and
clean the boat during the season. I have tried various products containing bleach,
oxalic acid, etc. and haven't found an effective cleaner yet. I am still wondering
if
using these acid products full strength might do damage to the fiberglass, so maybe
they should be diluted (how much?). If they use muriatic acid to etch concrete,
that
sounds scary. I will check out the 'on and off' product. I eventually got most of
the
stain off using a heavy duty liquid cleaner, but it took a lot of rubbing. I have
used
most of the commercial products mentioned in this thread, with not much luck.

Sherwin

sherwindu wrote:

After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
there
was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
of
the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
of
gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with

all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is

used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
I
have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
well,
so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.

Sherwin

sherwindu wrote:
Thanks for all the replies.

As far as wax, I give the hull a good coating of high quality boat wax before the
spring launch, and it doesn't seem to help protect the boat. This fresh water river

must have some nasty chemicals in it. I certainly wouldn't go in this water to try
and
clean the boat during the season. I have tried various products containing bleach,
oxalic acid, etc. and haven't found an effective cleaner yet. I am still wondering
if
using these acid products full strength might do damage to the fiberglass, so maybe
they should be diluted (how much?). If they use muriatic acid to etch concrete,
that
sounds scary. I will check out the 'on and off' product. I eventually got most of
the
stain off using a heavy duty liquid cleaner, but it took a lot of rubbing. I have
used
most of the commercial products mentioned in this thread, with not much luck.

Sherwin

sherwindu wrote:

After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
there
was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
of
the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
of
gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with

all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is

used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
I
have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
well,
so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.

Sherwin


Check out Zaino Brothes before you put your boat back in the water.
Make sure you order enough for your cars. It is the best, highest
gloss, longest lasting showroom finish you will ever use. I tried this
because someone told me it was the easiest wax to apply and had a great
shine and long lasting protection. While it is easy, it makes my 7 yr
old car look brand new.

My experience with waxes are the easier they apply, the less protection. I only use
waxes with Carbona. It isn't easy to apply, but it lasts a whole season.

Sherwin

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote:

sherwindu wrote:
Thanks for all the replies.

As far as wax, I give the hull a good coating of high quality boat wax before the
spring launch, and it doesn't seem to help protect the boat. This fresh water river

must have some nasty chemicals in it. I certainly wouldn't go in this water to try
and
clean the boat during the season. I have tried various products containing bleach,
oxalic acid, etc. and haven't found an effective cleaner yet. I am still wondering
if
using these acid products full strength might do damage to the fiberglass, so maybe
they should be diluted (how much?). If they use muriatic acid to etch concrete,
that
sounds scary. I will check out the 'on and off' product. I eventually got most of
the
stain off using a heavy duty liquid cleaner, but it took a lot of rubbing. I have
used
most of the commercial products mentioned in this thread, with not much luck.

Sherwin

sherwindu wrote:

After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
there
was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
of
the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
of
gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with

all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is

used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
I
have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
well,
so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.

Sherwin


Check out Zaino Brothes before you put your boat back in the water.
Make sure you order enough for your cars. It is the best, highest
gloss, longest lasting showroom finish you will ever use. I tried this
because someone told me it was the easiest wax to apply and had a great
shine and long lasting protection. While it is easy, it makes my 7 yr
old car look brand new.

sherwindu wrote:
My experience with waxes are the easier they apply, the less protection. I only use
waxes with Carbona. It isn't easy to apply, but it lasts a whole season.

Sherwin


Sherwin,
That was my opinion for 25 years, and is the reason I always used
Carnauba Wax also and didn't even bother to try the new finishes
available at the auto store. I tried Zaino after someone recommended it
in rec.boats and I did a Google Search and found it was considered the
best finish and protectant by all of the car clubs and auto enthusiast.
The first year I tried Zaino Bros, (I think it was 4 yrs ago). I did
an A/B experiment with my wife's car and my car. I did a complete
detail on both cars, including using detail clay and the complete
Meguiar's Car Care 3 step Carnauba Wax Program and the Zaino Bros. 3
step Polish. After I finished both cars were as slick as glass. While
the Zaino Bros looked better initially, what I was really interested is
how well it would last after 6 months, since I would always wax my car
in the spring and fall. In the fall, the Zaino still had large beads of
water on the car, and when I clayed the car, their was no pollution
residual common off on the clay. The Mequiars car was still water
beading, but the beads were smaller, and it the finish definitely had
rough feel. When I clayed the car, I could see where the air pollution
had pitted the finish, and I was getting the pollution residual on the
clay. I also noticed that the Zaino car actually looked better the 2nd
time i applied the finish.

At this point, I gave alway the rest of the Meguiars to a neighbor and
in the Spring time used Zaino on my boat and cars.

I doubt you will try the Zaino, but I went through this explanation
because I really believe in the product and hope that some other people
will try it. It is truly amazing. What I thought was amusing is the
owner Sal Zaino is the guy who answers the phone when you call up with a
question. He has that gruff New York City voice. I think he is semi
retired, but is the "answer line" for people who have technical
questions about the product. It really does apply differently than most
waxes and polishes. Since the Caranuba wax obviously isn't working on
your water line gunk, why don't you try it after you clean off it with
"Off and On"? If you do, you will need to let us know next fall if it
did any good.

Why do I feel like I am doing a late night infomercial?