Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 11:31?am, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote

You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year.
Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery?

You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start"
at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally
high price for a new full size truck.


Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over
150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at
100,000 miles.

"BAR" wrote in message
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Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over
150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at
100,000 miles.



Good grief.....

It's not about cost.

It's about being green.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over
150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at
100,000 miles.



Good grief.....

It's not about cost.

It's about being green.

When I die they can plant my body in the ground and fertilize the
closest tree. That's when this world will recoup my carbon footprint.

As long as I am living I will be keeping the green in my pockets.

On Oct 22, 4:49?pm, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 11:31?am, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote

You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year.
Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery?

You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start"
at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally
high price for a new full size truck.

Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over
150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at
100,000 miles.


Anybody not driving the most basic Japanese car available for 15-20
years has failed to "do the math". For most of us, the cars we drive
are chosen as much because we like them as they are because they were
the cheapest transportation we could find.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:35:45 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Anybody not driving the most basic Japanese car available for 15-20
years has failed to "do the math".

I'm not sure I agree with that. We are now on a 20+ year string of
owning Japanese cars. We usually buy top of the line, fully loaded
models that offer just about everything you could want in comfort,
style, features, etc. The big pay off is not fuel efficiency, but
durability and reliability. These cars just keep running, do not
nickel and dime you to death with petty maintenance issues, and do not
leave you stranded in the middle of a road trip just because they have
over 80K miles on them.

That's worth a lot to me.

On Oct 22, 3:57 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 11:31?am, "Ernest Scribbler"

wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote

You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year.

Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery?

You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start"
at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally
high price for a new full size truck.


I'm not saying I'm old school, but I'm still leary of a gm hybrid.
Toyotaa or honda? that's different. But over the past few decades, GM
has done plenty of experimenting ont he public. a whole lot of PR
work, to make scrap metal sing. examples:

Vega. "Siliconeized aluminum block. great light engine that was worn
out in 25,000 mi or less, and car came pre-rusted.

Cadillac 8-6-4 ingenius idea of shutting off valve train so that the
engine could cruise on 4 cyl. at road speed and would vary the power
and fuel economy, that is untill the engine caught on fire.

1978 GM computerized ignition Push it more than you drive it.
5.7 Olds diesel (ahem)
6.2 GM diesel (ahem *cough*)

Cadillacs 4.1 aluminum engine complete with no camshaft bearings.
aluminum would wear, oil pressure would drop, nothing thatt about
$3800.00 couldn't cure, But they consistantly recieved the Golden
Caliber" (Yellow Pincher) award. Go figure...

about any 80's GM auto, doors hinges came factory pre-worn, and door
handles were pre broken. fading paint came standard equipment, but
mylar chromie doo-dads worked pretty good... for a while.

GM's idea seemed like "Here's what we have, lump it or leave it"

I like GM products actually, but only after they've proven themselves
after a couple years. But it seems like in many ways, their
inovation out weighs their practical reasonability.

GM seems to me like their philosophy was to entice the consumer to "be
the first one on your block to" be laughed at.

On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year.

Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered
trucks with equal towing capacity.

The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of
crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too
hard, they dent.
And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS
COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together.
From one who handles them all the time, they're junk.

On Oct 22, 1:43?pm, Corsair23 wrote:
On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year.

Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered
trucks with equal towing capacity.

The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of
crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too
hard, they dent.
And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS
COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together.



From one who handles them all the time, they're junk.- Hide quoted text -

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Are you claiming that the hybrid Silverados use different frames and
sheet metal than the gas-only models?

On Oct 22, 4:55 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 1:43?pm, Corsair23 wrote:





On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year.

Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered
trucks with equal towing capacity.

The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of
crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too
hard, they dent.
And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS
COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together.

From one who handles them all the time, they're junk.- Hide quoted text -

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Are you claiming that the hybrid Silverados use different frames and
sheet metal than the gas-only models?- Hide quoted text -

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A Silverado is a Silverado...both the same....both use the same
parts...Frame and all.Except powerplant.

On Oct 22, 4:43 pm, Corsair23 wrote:
On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year.

Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered
trucks with equal towing capacity.

The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of
crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too
hard, they dent.
And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS
COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together.



From one who handles them all the time, they're junk.- Hide quoted text -

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I wouldn't own a GM anything!