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Lake Lanier drying up?
CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels
are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 9:14 am, HK wrote:
CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Many ramps are closed, and being a mountainous sort of lake, lots of water hazards. The claims are that if something doesn't happen, like stop sending so much water down the Hooch, or get some real rain, that the lake will be back in it's two river banks in 120 days. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
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Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 9:25 am, HK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 15, 9:14 am, HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Many ramps are closed, and being a mountainous sort of lake, lots of water hazards. The claims are that if something doesn't happen, like stop sending so much water down the Hooch, or get some real rain, that the lake will be back in it's two river banks in 120 days. Well, that should warm the hearts of boat-buying bargain hunters...lotsa boats for sale. Just add water.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm looking! |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
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Lake Lanier drying up?
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir, which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking water. Kinda like the Great Lakes. Drank Chicago water for over 50 years and never had a problem. You mean, other than the extra nose growing out of your arm? We have a nice, deep, drilled well for our drinking water. I have it tested once a year. Crystal clear, clean and free of contaminants. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"HK" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir, which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking water. Kinda like the Great Lakes. Drank Chicago water for over 50 years and never had a problem. You mean, other than the extra nose growing out of your arm? We have a nice, deep, drilled well for our drinking water. I have it tested once a year. Crystal clear, clean and free of contaminants. And here all the time I thought it was a mole. :-) |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 10:30 am, HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir, which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking water. Kinda like the Great Lakes. Drank Chicago water for over 50 years and never had a problem. You mean, other than the extra nose growing out of your arm? We have a nice, deep, drilled well for our drinking water. I have it tested once a year. Crystal clear, clean and free of contaminants.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, well if your water is so clean, how come you got a head growing out of ........ oh, nevermind;) |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"HK" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir, which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking water. Boating on lake gets dangerous By STEPHEN GURR The Times GAINESVILLE If you're planning on boating on Lake Lanier during the day, keep your eyes peeled. If you're planning on boating at night, don't, officials say. With the lake's level at more than 12 feet below full pool, a myriad of boating hazards are cropping up, from sandbars and stumps to rock formations and tree limbs. Permanent hazard markers, in the words of officials, are "high and dry." Since June 21, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has placed 105 new temporary floating orange hazard markers on the lake, with more being added every day. Officials expect the lake will fall another four or five feet in the next three weeks. "How many more (markers) we put out just depends on how low we go," said Jonathan Davis, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' operations project manager for Lake Lanier. The topography of the man-made lake has a lot to do with all the new hazards surfacing. "If you look at the surrounding countryside in North Georgia, it's mountainous, hilly terrain," Davis said. "And that's what it looked like when the lake was impounded. That's why we're seeing all these new islands." Those sandbars and reefs can wreak havoc on a hull or an outboard motor, and may be encountered with little warning. The Corps only marks the hazards as they are found. Officials are marking the new hazards on global positioning maps for future reference, should the lake get this low again. Hazards generally are marked when they are four feet below the current lake level. For now, the electronic depth finder is the boater's best friend. "If you've got a depth finder, use it," said Tim Vickery, a ranger for the Georgia Department of Natural Resources. "If not, go slow. "At night, I wouldn't even go out." ------ Lake group calls for action By DEBBIE GILBERT The Times GAINESVILLE The Lake Lanier Association has issued a "call to action" to its members, urging them to complain to Georgia's politicians about the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' alleged mismanagement of the lake's water levels. The lake advocacy group, in a letter sent to Lanier stakeholders, claims the corps is currently releasing "two to 10 times as much water as flows into Lanier," whereas in previous droughts "releases were kept to a minimum." Lake residents are being asked to contact Georgia's U.S. senators, Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss, as well as Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue and U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal of Gainesville. "The purpose of this call to action is to get people to say basically, 'Hey, we've got a crisis here,'" said Jackie Joseph, president of the lake association. "And we think this is going to take congressional intervention. This is a federal reservoir, and the corps isn't supposed to be making arbitrary decisions." Joseph acknowledges that Georgia's record drought is the main reason the lake's level is more than 12 feet below full pool and continues to drop precipitously. "But the minimum flows (released from Buford Dam) are based in part on endangered species requirements downstream," she said. "The essence of the problem is, how much water is really needed for that purpose? We don't think the science is very well documented. I don't think any solid studies have been done." Lanier is part of the Apalachicola-Chattahoochee-Flint river system that extends into Florida and Alabama. Lisa Coghlan, spokeswoman for the corps' district office in Mobile, which manages Lanier, said the agency is required to maintain a flow of 5,000 cubic feet per second (cfs) in the Apalachicola on Florida's Gulf Coast, partly to support several species of mussels and sturgeon. "We also need to protect water quality downstream, and to provide water for a commercial business, the Scholz power plant," she said. The Herbert Scholz Generating Plant is a coal-fired facility owned by Gulf Power, part of Southern Company. It's located below Woodruff Dam on the Apalachicola River, 25 miles east of Marianna, Fla. Coghlan said she did not know why this particular power plant receives special consideration. "It's been that way for years and years," she said. In September 2006, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service released an assessment of the corps' interim operations plan for water releases from Woodruff Dam into the Apalachicola River. The wildlife agency said that "a minimum flow below the dam of 5,000 cfs during all times of the year" is needed "for system operational reasons including protection of a water intake at (Scholz) power plant; it is also important to the conservation of imperiled species." Lynn Erickson, spokeswoman for Gulf Power, said the company has filed letters with the corps stating that 5,000 cfs is the minimum flow at which the plant can operate. "It's a pretty small plant, but it's in the most southeastern corner of Southern Company's grid," she said. "It's needed for grid stability." But while the Endangered Species Act may require the corps to maintain a minimum flow for certain types of plants or animals, there is no federal mandate regarding the needs of utility companies. Coghlan emphasized that Lanier is not the sole source of water for the Apalachicola; there are many tributaries and several dams that also feed into that river. "We manage the ACF basin as a system," she said. "We're doing what we've always done. It's just more noticeable during a drought." As for the lake association's complaint that the corps is releasing more from Lanier than the lake is receiving, Coghlan said the reason for that is obvious. "In current drought conditions, there is no water coming into the lake," she said. Joseph wants to know what happened with the comprehensive management plan that the corps was supposed to develop for Lanier and the rest of the ACF basin. "Back in August 2006, when there was congressional hearing about the lake (held at Riverside Military Academy in Gainesville), Senators Isakson and Chambliss both said the corps needed to make a commitment to rewriting its management plan for Lanier," she said. "But since then, nothing has been done." Coghlan said the corps is still working on a comprehensive water management plan. "The drought will delay its completion because we'll have to incorporate that into our computer modeling," she said. In mid-September, talks broke down between Alabama and Georgia over a water-sharing agreement for the Alabama-Coosa-Tallapoosa river basin. Lake Lanier is in the ACF basin, not the ACT. But the fate of both systems has been tied up in courts since the early 1990s, and resolving the issue with one basin is contingent on reaching an agreement for the other. On Sept. 28, Isakson and Chambliss sent a letter to Peter Geren, Secretary of the Army, demanding that the corps immediately begin updating its management plans for the two basins. The senators then met with corps officials on Oct. 4. "The corps has taken the position that they won't update the water management plans as long as there's hope that the three states will reach an agreement," Isakson told The Times on Tuesday. "But after the tri-state talks broke down, we approached the corps and said it's absolutely essential that we move forward with the water control plans. It will take 18 to 24 months to rewrite the manuals, so every day the corps delays means it will be that much longer before it's implemented." Isakson said the corps is basing its decisions on documents written 20 years ago. "We need real-time data and real-time information," he said. He added that Congress, which votes on how much money gets appropriated for the Army, ultimately has oversight of the corps. Isakson also noted that it was Congress that passed the Endangered Species Act. He said Georgia Environmental Protection Division director Carol Couch is seeking a waiver of the federal species law in order to reduce the flow in Apalachicola, allowing Georgia to retain more water in its lakes. "I'm in favor of animals as much as anybody," Isakson said. "But in an extreme drought like this, we have to consider human needs as well." On Tuesday, Rep. Deal also wrote to Secretary Geren, asking why the Endangered Species Act's "administrative relief clause" for human livelihood is not being used in this situation. Joseph said the lake association's letter-writing campaign is not about protecting Lanier's lucrative boating or real estate industries. "I don't believe we should keep water in the lake just for recreational purposes," she said. "But Georgia has a real water supply problem now. And as the population grows, discharges (of treated wastewater) to the lake will be increasing. We need sufficient water to dilute that effluent." Chris Riley, spokesman for Deal, said the lake association's "call to action" seems to be having an effect. "We are receiving quite a few phone calls and letters from our constituents on this issue," he said. -------------------- |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"HK" wrote in message ... We have a nice, deep, drilled well for our drinking water. I have it tested once a year. Crystal clear, clean and free of contaminants. We had a well drilled about 4 years ago mainly to supply the horse barn and sprinkler systems. The guy that drilled it told me they try to get a minimum of 12 gallons per minute. When they drilled ours, they had to go down to 520 feet because of the clay and bedrock. When they finally broke through they hit an underground river or something. 20 gallons per minute or more capacity. I've never had it tested, but I'll betcha it is more pure than the town supplied water. Eisboch |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's deep. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 10:19 am, HK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir, which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking water.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's hardly a municipal water supply around that doesn't operate in the same fashion. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 10:41 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's deep.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"HK" wrote in message
. .. Since June 21, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has placed 105 new temporary floating orange hazard markers on the lake, with more being added every day. Officials expect the lake will fall another four or five feet in the next three weeks. "How many more (markers) we put out just depends on how low we go," said Jonathan Davis, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' operations project manager for Lake Lanier. These hazard markers are showing up around Lake Ontario as well over the last 6-8 weeks. Haven't seen anything like this in 10 years. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"HK" wrote in message ... You mean, other than the extra nose growing out of your arm? We have a nice, deep, drilled well for our drinking water. I have it tested once a year. Crystal clear, clean and free of contaminants. Here are some of the restrictions that apply to the lake that feeds Peninsula Halifax... " Fire restrictions 4 (1) No person shall light or be responsible for an open fire in the Protected Water Area from April 1st to October 31st, inclusive, in any year. (2) No person involved in a forestry operation or activity within the Protected Water Area shall fail to comply with Chapter 179 of the R.S.N.S. 1989, the Forests Act, and regulations made pursuant thereto, including the Forest Fire Protection Regulations, as amended from time to time. Vehicle and vessel restrictions 5 (1) No person shall wash a vehicle in any watercourse or within sixty (60) metres of the shoreline or bank of any watercourse located within the Protected Water Area. (2) No person shall at any time operate a vessel of any kind on, through, or over Pockwock Lake, Lacey Mill Lake, Bottle Lake, Island Lake, or any watercourse in the Protected Water Area unless authorized by the Commission. (3) No person shall at any time operate a vehicle, including an off-highway vehicle as defined in the Off-highway Vehicles Act, R.S.N.S. 1989, c. 323, or any type of recreational vehicle on, through, or over Pockwock Lake, Lacey Mill Lake, Bottle Lake, Island Lake, or any watercourse in the Protected Water Area. (4) No person shall fill a gasoline tank or transfer any liquid fuel from tank to tank on or within sixty (60) metres of the shoreline or bank of Pockwock Lake, Lacey Mill Lake, Bottle Lake, Island Lake, or any watercourse within the Protected Water Area. (5) Any machinery leaking gas, oil or other fluids shall not be operated until properly repaired. Lake and watercourse restrictions 6 No person shall swim, bathe, wash, or cut ice at any time in any lake or any tributary to Pockwock Lake, or any watercourse which is located within the Protected Water Area. Fishing restrictions 7 (1) No person shall fish at any time from a vessel on any lake or watercourse in the Protected Water Area. " |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 10:44 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:41 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's deep.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I've never disagreed. However, there are things we know we can do that does very little harm to the environment. The trouble with your type, is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an adverse affect on the environment. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote:
The trouble with your type, is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an adverse affect on the environment What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type". Here's a clue. I grew up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints" attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people. When was the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote:
So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote: The trouble with your type, is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an adverse affect on the environment What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type". Here's a clue. I grew up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints" attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people. When was the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you? Many of the lakes in the southeast are man made and are used for water supply. There are not that many natural lakes occuring in the southeast. Most also are used for recreational purposes. All the lakes I've boated in in NC are man made. Around Raleigh Lake Jordan and Falls Lake are both man made. As well as Hyco, Mayo, and Wheeler plus others. On the Roanoke, Philpot, Kerr, and Gaston are all man made. There has been drought conditions in the southeast above florida most of the summer and lots of the lakes are down many feet. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote: The trouble with your type, is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an adverse affect on the environment What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type". How is it any dumber than you calling people you know nothing about "socialists", "communists", "liars", etc. By the way, which one IS the Rush/Hannity talking point of the day. Here's a clue. I grew up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints" attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people. You've made many many statements here especially when it comes to large corporations raping the land of finite resources, and polluting. When was the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you? Yes. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 9:04?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. Many of the major religions, certainly including Christianity, generally believe that it is God's ultimate plan to destroy the universe and gather the true believers into a spiritual haven. Revelations is a difficult book to get a handle on, but IMO the general theme is that man will be allowed to screw things up to the point where *only* a divine intervention can resolve anything. The ensuing war between "good" and "evil" will result in 1000 years of an earthly "Kingdom of God", ruled by Jesus, after which physical reality of any kind will cease to exist but spiritual reality will endure. But maybe while we're waiting for the Apocolypse and for Jesus to return and straighten everything out, we ought to take some care of the world we inherited from out parents and are passing on to our kids? There's an important distinction between an ascetic disdain for materialism and destructive disregard of the environment. If your religious friend is a Christian, ask him or her whether the parable of the ten talents charges us to develop as well as preserve divine gifts. In that story, the servant judged most successful was the one who not only preserved his gift but who managed to increase it as well.... (then it just becomes a matter of figuring out whether the natural environment is/was the divine gift, or whether the nuclear power plants, freeways, and consumer widget factories are). :-) |
Lake Lanier drying up?
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oups.com... On Oct 15, 9:04?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. Many of the major religions, certainly including Christianity, generally believe that it is God's ultimate plan to destroy the universe and gather the true believers into a spiritual haven. Revelations is a difficult book to get a handle on, but IMO the general theme is that man will be allowed to screw things up to the point where *only* a divine intervention can resolve anything. The ensuing war between "good" and "evil" will result in 1000 years of an earthly "Kingdom of God", ruled by Jesus, after which physical reality of any kind will cease to exist but spiritual reality will endure. But maybe while we're waiting for the Apocolypse and for Jesus to return and straighten everything out, we ought to take some care of the world we inherited from out parents and are passing on to our kids? There's an important distinction between an ascetic disdain for materialism and destructive disregard of the environment. If your religious friend is a Christian, Oh yeah. She works for a megachurch, and believes the whole deal. ask him or her whether the parable of the ten talents charges us to develop as well as preserve divine gifts. In that story, the servant judged most successful was the one who not only preserved his gift but who managed to increase it as well.... (then it just becomes a matter of figuring out whether the natural environment is/was the divine gift, or whether the nuclear power plants, freeways, and consumer widget factories are). :-) I'll mention this to her. She's a believer, but not the type that's disconnected her brain (yet). |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story. Guy sitting on a roof after a flood. Boat comes by and tries to save him, the man refuses, insisting God would come and save him. Later a chopper comes by and the man turns them down insisting that God will come and save him. The man dies and goes to heaven and asks God why he had not come to save him, God answeres, "I sent a boat and a chopper what more do you want?" |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 12:30 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote: The trouble with your type, is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an adverse affect on the environment What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type". How is it any dumber than you calling people you know nothing about "socialists", "communists", "liars", etc. By the way, which one IS the Rush/Hannity talking point of the day. I know as much about my public officials as anyone here, I am forced to make my decisions about public officials based on their limited news conferences and debates. I am supposed to form an opinion about them, it is my duty as an American, you, not of me, nor would you be able to... Here's a clue. I grew up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints" attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people. You've made many many statements here especially when it comes to large corporations raping the land of finite resources, and polluting. Uh, no.... When was the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you? Yes. |
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oups.com... On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story. If you believed me? Why wouldn't you? Is it because you've never met anyone like the person I mentioned? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 1:11 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story. If you believed me? Why wouldn't you? Is it because you've never met anyone like the person I mentioned?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, because I beleive you will make it up as you go along to support your own point of view... |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 1:05 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 12:30 pm, wrote: On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote: The trouble with your type, is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an adverse affect on the environment What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type". How is it any dumber than you calling people you know nothing about "socialists", "communists", "liars", etc. By the way, which one IS the Rush/Hannity talking point of the day. I know as much about my public officials as anyone here, I am forced to make my decisions about public officials based on their limited news conferences and debates. What does knowing your public officials have to do with you calling anyone here, in rec.boats a communist or socialist? I am supposed to form an opinion about them, it is my duty as an American, you, not of me, nor would you be able to... That's odd, once again. You're quick to jump on the "traitor" bandwagon when someone says something negative about the Bush regime. Here's a clue. I grew up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints" attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people. You've made many many statements here especially when it comes to large corporations raping the land of finite resources, and polluting. Uh, no.... Uh, yes... When was the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you? Yes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Lake Lanier drying up?
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ups.com... On Oct 15, 1:11 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story. If you believed me? Why wouldn't you? Is it because you've never met anyone like the person I mentioned?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, because I beleive you will make it up as you go along to support your own point of view... You have a real problem with pride getting in the way of logical thinking. You are already familiar with quite a few people whose world view was twisted by religion. You "met" them a few years ago. Do you know who I mean? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
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... On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:54:02 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". Then slowing down the rate of growth may be a cost effective way of dealing with the problem, as opposed to making Al Gore more wealthy? It would be impossible for it NOT to help, but it's a touchy subject. Zero population growth? Watch the reactions to that in subsequent messages. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
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... On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:04:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. Yippee, let's get a good religious flame war started! Nah....it's just one example of the various excuses people will use for doing nothing to help the world outside their own home. There are others besides religion. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
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... On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:54:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:54:02 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". Then slowing down the rate of growth may be a cost effective way of dealing with the problem, as opposed to making Al Gore more wealthy? It would be impossible for it NOT to help, but it's a touchy subject. Zero population growth? Watch the reactions to that in subsequent messages. The emphasis was on cost effective means of dealing with a problem, as opposed to sending money to Al Gore. 'Zero population gowth' is your term, not mine. I'm not trying to engender any reaction to that in any messages. But, it looks like you are. It's a theory, and the name of an organization which, for many years, has tried to push an agenda of not having more than 2 kids, so a couple only replaces itself without adding population. Naturally, there are people who think its inevitable that suggestions will become laws, and such people refuse to think about controlling population growth. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
"John H." wrote in message
... On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:04:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:04:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message legroups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. Yippee, let's get a good religious flame war started! Nah....it's just one example of the various excuses people will use for doing nothing to help the world outside their own home. There are others besides religion. Good. End, hopefully, of discussion. As usual, you're focused on the wrong person. As usual, it's for the usual reasons. Go play in the street. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 15, 1:17 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:11 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 15, 12:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". I have an acquaintance who tells me that we don't need to think about finite resources because god will take care of everything. If I beleived you I would say your friend is an idiot... God takes care of those who help themselves. Reminds me of an old story. If you believed me? Why wouldn't you? Is it because you've never met anyone like the person I mentioned?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, because I beleive you will make it up as you go along to support your own point of view...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What makes you believe that? You should practice what you preach. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:19:38 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir, which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking water. You think the Anocostia is clean? The Potomac isn't much better. Perhaps Parker's Creek is the cleanest think in your neck of the woods. |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:03:43 -0700, jamesgangnc
wrote: On Oct 15, 11:07 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:57 am, wrote: The trouble with your type, is that you don't think that anything that man can do will have an adverse affect on the environment What a dumb statement. You don't know "my type". Here's a clue. I grew up in the woods and fields and have a 'leave nothing but footprints" attitude toward my outdoor play. But you just keep up the close minded stand and you will surely be dismissed by rational people. When was the last time you took a walk on the beach with your wife and carried a garbage bag... we carry one as part of our "go bag".... Do you? Many of the lakes in the southeast are man made and are used for water supply. There are not that many natural lakes occuring in the southeast. Most also are used for recreational purposes. All the lakes I've boated in in NC are man made. Around Raleigh Lake Jordan and Falls Lake are both man made. As well as Hyco, Mayo, and Wheeler plus others. On the Roanoke, Philpot, Kerr, and Gaston are all man made. There has been drought conditions in the southeast above florida most of the summer and lots of the lakes are down many feet. My neighbor, who moved up here (DC area) from Raleigh says that Falls Lake is getting too shallow for boating. Of course, I just bought a new boat and am planning (tentatively) to move to the Wake Forest area and use Falls Lake. How are the boating conditions down there now? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:54:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". Then slowing down the rate of growth may be a cost effective way of dealing with the problem, as opposed to making Al Gore more wealthy? |
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