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Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 15, 8:34 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's deep. It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep in California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are 400' deep.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Deep is a relative term, dip****. Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative term, then how much IS "deep"? |
Lake Lanier drying up?
On Oct 16, 11:25 am, HK wrote:
Hope you guys have water to drink this winter On 16 Oct, 11:38, LoogyPicker wrote: So do I! You have to go pretty deep with a well here to get *good* drinking water. If your city is anything like mine, you'll just have to do without. They won't allow you to put in a well, even on your own property. They call it "stealing" the city's water (the city's term, not mine). We lived for months after Katrina without running water to drink, bathe, or flush. Of the modern conveniences I missed most, that was at the top of my list. Rick |
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On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote:
wrote: From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power production. It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10 mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore. But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within 50-75 ft. Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines. Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far). |
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On Oct 15, 6:41 pm, HK wrote:
Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry, here's a URL. Look on the left margin, and you'll see a link to aerial pics for Alatoona and Lanier. http://www.ajc.com/search/content/me..._1009_web.html |
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ups.com... On Oct 15, 6:41 pm, HK wrote: Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry, here's a URL. Look on the left margin, and you'll see a link to aerial pics for Alatoona and Lanier. http://www.ajc.com/search/content/me..._1009_web.html Looks like a hot market for mooring buoys. |
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On Oct 16, 12:20 pm, Larry wrote: wrote in news:1192545752.481641.277740 @e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com: Could you please do a little research before you make such ignorant statements? http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html Found this handy webpage to assess drought conditions across the USA. I can see why the lakes in the South are drying up! Larry -- You can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. It seems that just about every summer, just before fall, they start worrying about water, and *usually* the fall/winter rains come and negates those issues. But the last couple of years were different, not much rain in winter, either. We'll see, I guess. I remember being in the S.F. bay area and while I missed the rationing, there was a big effort to get people to minimize water usage. They're trying here, but outside of the criminal aspects of it, not very many people are doing much to go above and beyond. No, this is not the "normal" drought. We have a rain deficit of 30" for this year. If you look at the map this is an Exceptional drought. |
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On Oct 16, 3:59 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 15, 7:53 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational lake.........correct? First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir. Bottled water. Well, I don't much like Atlanta, but I don't have contempt for it. I do like the Georgia coast. Now, Texas...that's another matter. What an awful place. I don't have any contempt for Atlanta either.............but the water is ours, not theirs. Believe me, this is becoming more and more of an issue.......with Canada in the mix also as they have an equal stake on the fresh water held in those Great Lakes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Holy cripe! Are you really saying that because you live in proximity of a body of water, that only those in that proximity is entitlted to use it?? When it comes to non recreational use.........yes. You get none of it.....none! Go drill a well if you need water. The Great Lakes water belongs to the surrounding US States and Canadian Provinces. So solly Challie.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's absurd. Please show what laws, or treaties you've gotten that information from. You do understand that rain water from places many places in the country, some quite far away flows into the great lakes, don't you? Again, what IS the proximity? Five miles? 100? The rain may have come from 1000's of miles away. Are those people that are in, let's say Washington state entitled to *your* water when a storm picks up moisture from the pacific and rains onto great lakes water sheds? Are you not entitled to any other water sources because you are in proximity to one of the great lakes? |
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On Oct 16, 4:19 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: wrote: On Oct 16, 12:20 pm, Larry wrote: wrote in news:1192545752.481641.277740 @e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com: Could you please do a little research before you make such ignorant statements? http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html Found this handy webpage to assess drought conditions across the USA. I can see why the lakes in the South are drying up! Larry -- You can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. It seems that just about every summer, just before fall, they start worrying about water, and *usually* the fall/winter rains come and negates those issues. But the last couple of years were different, not much rain in winter, either. We'll see, I guess. I remember being in the S.F. bay area and while I missed the rationing, there was a big effort to get people to minimize water usage. They're trying here, but outside of the criminal aspects of it, not very many people are doing much to go above and beyond. No, this is not the "normal" drought. We have a rain deficit of 30" for this year. If you look at the map this is an Exceptional drought.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't say this was normal drought conditions, Reggie. |
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On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote: On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 8:34 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's deep. It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep in California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are 400' deep.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Deep is a relative term, dip****. Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative term, then how much IS "deep"? While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't. But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby? |
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On Oct 16, 4:19 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: wrote: On Oct 16, 12:20 pm, Larry wrote: wrote in news:1192545752.481641.277740 @e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com: Could you please do a little research before you make such ignorant statements? http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html Found this handy webpage to assess drought conditions across the USA. I can see why the lakes in the South are drying up! Larry -- You can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. It seems that just about every summer, just before fall, they start worrying about water, and *usually* the fall/winter rains come and negates those issues. But the last couple of years were different, not much rain in winter, either. We'll see, I guess. I remember being in the S.F. bay area and while I missed the rationing, there was a big effort to get people to minimize water usage. They're trying here, but outside of the criminal aspects of it, not very many people are doing much to go above and beyond. No, this is not the "normal" drought. We have a rain deficit of 30" for this year. If you look at the map this is an Exceptional drought.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't say this was normal drought conditions, Reggie. Sorry, I thought you said "usually" and the fall and winter rains negates these issues. The problem is that we are having substantially less rain, in the spring, summer, fall and winter. My bad. |
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On Oct 16, 12:00 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 16, 5:52?am, BAR wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". Why is that a bad thing? Isn't just the evolution of humans? We didn't come out of the caves to build cities and then have to return to the caves. Progress Chuck, its progressive. You missed the point, probably my fault. I see a disconnect between the concepts that "Man couldn't possibly alter the global environment enough to contribute to global warming" and "Man has the right to alter the environment as much as he wants in order to serve a growing population of human beings." If you look hard enough into the disconnect you will see the "somewhere in between" where a lot of us are. Not everyone is a fundi' you know...I do however think it is hard for folks to see the middle of the road, or accept that some might be there, from sooo far off to one side... |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Looks like it is the result of a riverbed widened into a lake, but I don't know. Not a place where I'd care to boat. It's a reservoir, which means it also serves as the area's freshwater supply. Nothing quite like letting people boat, crap and dump garbage in your drinking water. What's the difference between fish crap and people crap? Uh, people crap adds materials that didn't originate in the lake? People crap contains pathogens that sicken people, like hepatitis, e coli, typhoid fever? |
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On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks. Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes. Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational lake.........correct? First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir. No. Flood Control. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list. Rob |
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On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote: On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:DLqdnUOpmOY9cY7anZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast. com... Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks. Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes. Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational lake.........correct? First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir. No. Flood Control. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little, and alot of times, none. Under normal rain conditions, when downstream waters get replenished by the rain, instead of relying on Lanier, they don't even release water, so no production. As to Harry's comment that first and foremost it's a reservior, that is correct. It's where water is collected and stored. And yes, flood control is part of the reason for the lake, but not necessarily the top reason. As a side note, Lanier wouldn't be in such bad shape if, during this continuing drought, a big mistake had not been made. The Army Corp installed a new lake gauge in winter of '05 and it wasn't calibrated correctly, and they dumped 20 some billion gallons into the Hooch. |
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On Oct 16, 7:48 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:58 -0000, wrote: On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote: On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 8:34 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's deep. It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep in California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are 400' deep.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Deep is a relative term, dip****. Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative term, then how much IS "deep"? While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't. But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby? Actually, the group was in a state of relative harmony before the return of your illustrious self.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why dodge the questions, John? |
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On Oct 16, 4:15 pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 15, 6:41 pm, HK wrote: Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry, here's a URL. Look on the left margin, and you'll see a link to aerial pics for Alatoona and Lanier. http://www.ajc.com/search/content/me.../08/LanierRamp... Thanks...those photos present the problem well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm going to try to get over to the lake this weekend to look around, if I do, I'll take some pictures. It's kind of surrreal to stand where water used to be and take pictures looking up at ramp ends! |
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On Oct 17, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:04:57 -0000, wrote: On Oct 16, 7:48 pm, John H. wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:30:58 -0000, wrote: On Oct 16, 4:56 pm, John H. wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:11 -0000, wrote: On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 15, 8:34 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 15, 10:13 am, wrote: On Oct 15, 10:06 am, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? Good thing Waylon doesn't boat much. Shouldn't affect him. Is Lanier a man made lake? Yes, it's dammed. It's big, though, 900 miles of shoreline, at least when it was full, it's down about 12' now. The good thing is it's deep. It is not deep if 12' decrease puts it in the condition it is in. Deep in California is like Oroville. Down 200' and still parts of the lake are 400' deep.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Deep is a relative term, dip****. Relative to you deep****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, I'll give you an out, Mr. Brilliant. If "deep" is NOT a relative term, then how much IS "deep"? While you were gone, it wasn't totally peaceful around here, but it wasn't too bad. Someone thought you may have been ill. It appears you weren't. But, would you consider going back to wherever you were, even if it was PICKING BOOGERS!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why the insults, John, I thought you were working toward group harmony? Why is it that you do as you want, but if someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a baby? Actually, the group was in a state of relative harmony before the return of your illustrious self.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why dodge the questions, John? Question answered.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, there was more than one question, John. In case you're having trouble, but appear to be willing to answer, I'll break the paragraph down for you, okay? The first question was, "why the insults"? Second question was, "why is it that you do what you want, but when someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a little baby"? |
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wrote: On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote: wrote: From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power production. It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10 mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore. But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within 50-75 ft. Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines. Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far). I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and there's very little coming over the spill way. kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek. I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad shape too. fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating up north to flow down. |
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On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote: wrote: On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks. Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes. Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational lake.........correct? First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir. No. Flood Control. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little, Correct - drinking water supply is below power generation in priority, which is below flood control in priority. You got it right! Since the lake's construction, metro Atlanta has been taking water from the lake to use for municipal drinking water, which was only authorized by Congress as an INCIDENTAL use, secondary to hydroelectricity. The lake's original and authorized purposes were to provide hydroelectricity and flood control. Who told you any different? Rob and alot of times, none. Under normal rain conditions, when downstream waters get replenished by the rain, instead of relying on Lanier, they don't even release water, so no production. As to Harry's comment that first and foremost it's a reservior, that is correct. It's where water is collected and stored. And yes, flood control is part of the reason for the lake, but not necessarily the top reason. As a side note, Lanier wouldn't be in such bad shape if, during this continuing drought, a big mistake had not been made. The Army Corp installed a new lake gauge in winter of '05 and it wasn't calibrated correctly, and they dumped 20 some billion gallons into the Hooch. |
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On Oct 17, 4:35 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 17, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote: Why dodge the questions, John? Question answered.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Uh, there was more than one question, John. In case you're having trouble, but appear to be willing to answer, I'll break the paragraph down for you, okay? The first question was, "why the insults"? Second question was, "why is it that you do what you want, but when someone else does exactly the same thing, you whine like a little baby"? ------------------------------------------------------------- From the "Today's boat project" thread, with the last post being yours: wrote in message On Oct 16, 4:55 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: I, not Kevin, fight with you because you are just plain foolish, hence an easy target. Hell, you can't even answer a question when it's asked. No one wanted you back knowing you would just revert back to your old ways. The NG has been relatively trouble free since you left. It has started up again shortly after you returned. Now start behaving or find another NG to disrupt. It is that easy.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Kiss my ass, little man. I'll do what I want, understand? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------------------- Understand?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I fully understand that I'll do what I want, and there is nothing you can do about it! You constant whining is getting old already. |
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On Oct 17, 4:58 pm, Tim wrote:
wrote: On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote: wrote: From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power production. It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10 mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore. But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within 50-75 ft. Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines. Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far). I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and there's very little coming over the spill way. kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek. I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad shape too. fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating up north to flow down.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tim, if it's an Army Corp lake, you can get current stats, predictions, etc from the Corp's website. Yes, Hartwell is in bad shape too. Oconee is the only one in these parts not suffering. |
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On Oct 17, 9:42 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote: On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote: wrote: On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:DLqdnUOpmOY9cY7anZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcas t.com... Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks. Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes. Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational lake.........correct? First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir. No. Flood Control. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little, Correct - drinking water supply is below power generation in priority, which is below flood control in priority. You got it right! Since the lake's construction, metro Atlanta has been taking water from the lake to use for municipal drinking water, which was only authorized by Congress as an INCIDENTAL use, secondary to hydroelectricity. The lake's original and authorized purposes were to provide hydroelectricity and flood control. Who told you any different? Rob Where did you get this information from? It surely isn't from the Army Corp of Engineers, who operate the system! See: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/ Nowhere on that site will you see one single reason above all others for the construction of the lake. There are several reasons, none of which is paramount over any other. |
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Today it's been raining a slight shower off 'n on all day, then my
wife and I left town this evening, and when coming back the shower turned into a down pour! all 60 mi. of it! I dropped her off at home and took the trusty old wagon up to my dads farm to retrieve the Marquis. it hadn't rained so long, it's hard to believe it would. so there's my boat sitting nose down on a very gentle slope, and I knew it would be full of water, so I buckled it up to the trailer and pulled it 5 mi. into town and put it in my warehouse. While sitting there it must have drained for a good 10 minutes, that was including the pull home in the hard rain. No complaints though, it will dry out, and I pulled the engine cover to see if the water got up to the starter motor. I was hoping it would be dry (which it was) because I hate standing on my head to take the starter off a 350 chevy, crammed down in the bowls of the boat! We're getting a pounding rain. hmmm, in drought conditions, maybe I ought to leave the boat out more often..... |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 07, 4:46pm, John H wrote:
Hope some of it comes our way. We've been 33 days without rain. One more will break the record. Not sure where you are but I'm looking at the Weatherbug radar right now and the worst (or best, depending on your POV) part of the weather is in the S/E corner of AL and the S/W corner of GA, moving N/E. Looks like it should dump all over Atlanta and Lake Lanier in a few hours. Go wash your car and water your lawn. That usually helps. Rick |
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On 18 Oct 2007 13:31:56 -0700, Tim wrote:
Today it's been raining a slight shower off 'n on all day, then my wife and I left town this evening, and when coming back the shower turned into a down pour! all 60 mi. of it! I dropped her off at home and took the trusty old wagon up to my dads farm to retrieve the Marquis. it hadn't rained so long, it's hard to believe it would. so there's my boat sitting nose down on a very gentle slope, and I knew it would be full of water, so I buckled it up to the trailer and pulled it 5 mi. into town and put it in my warehouse. While sitting there it must have drained for a good 10 minutes, that was including the pull home in the hard rain. No complaints though, it will dry out, and I pulled the engine cover to see if the water got up to the starter motor. I was hoping it would be dry (which it was) because I hate standing on my head to take the starter off a 350 chevy, crammed down in the bowls of the boat! We're getting a pounding rain. hmmm, in drought conditions, maybe I ought to leave the boat out more often..... Hope some of it comes our way. We've been 33 days without rain. One more will break the record. |
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On Oct 17, 9:42 pm, trainfan1 wrote: wrote: On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote: wrote: On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks. Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes. Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational lake.........correct? First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir. No. Flood Control. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little, Correct - drinking water supply is below power generation in priority, which is below flood control in priority. You got it right! Since the lake's construction, metro Atlanta has been taking water from the lake to use for municipal drinking water, which was only authorized by Congress as an INCIDENTAL use, secondary to hydroelectricity. The lake's original and authorized purposes were to provide hydroelectricity and flood control. Who told you any different? Rob Where did you get this information from? It surely isn't from the Army Corp of Engineers, who operate the system! See: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/ Nowhere on that site will you see one single reason above all others for the construction of the lake. There are several reasons, none of which is paramount over any other. Google is your friend... but I'll go with the order of importance your reference presents: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/purposes.htm The "major function" is flood control. Indicating 50% for flood control. I can't find any reference that puts it any other way. You say they don't produce much hydro power there. I'll go along with that too. Rob |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:54:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:54:02 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 15, 7:44?am, wrote: So then you must agree it is OK to alter the course of nature in order to serve the growing human population?- Hide quoted text - Careful, that statement is getting pretty close to recognizing the possibility that a growing human population *could* "alter the course of nature". Then slowing down the rate of growth may be a cost effective way of dealing with the problem, as opposed to making Al Gore more wealthy? It would be impossible for it NOT to help, but it's a touchy subject. Zero population growth? Watch the reactions to that in subsequent messages. The emphasis was on cost effective means of dealing with a problem, as opposed to sending money to Al Gore. 'Zero population gowth' is your term, not mine. I'm not trying to engender any reaction to that in any messages. But, it looks like you are. It's a theory, and the name of an organization which, for many years, has tried to push an agenda of not having more than 2 kids, so a couple only replaces itself without adding population. Naturally, there are people who think its inevitable that suggestions will become laws, and such people refuse to think about controlling population growth. I wonder if Paul Ehrlich (the original Algore) is still with them. Some of his "predictions"- "The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s the world will undergo famines . . . hundreds of millions of people (including Americans) are going to starve to death." (Population Bomb 1968) "Smog disasters" in 1973 might kill 200,000 people in New York and Los Angeles. (1969) "I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." (1969) "Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion." (1976) "By 1985 enough millions will have died to reduce the earth's population to some acceptable level, like 1.5 billion people." (1969) "By 1980 the United States would see its life expectancy drop to 42 because of pesticides, and by 1999 its population would drop to 22.6 million." (1969) |
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"BillP" wrote in message
news:bAWRi.15739$fm1.5569@trnddc01... It's a theory, and the name of an organization which, for many years, has tried to push an agenda of not having more than 2 kids, so a couple only replaces itself without adding population. Naturally, there are people who think its inevitable that suggestions will become laws, and such people refuse to think about controlling population growth. I wonder if Paul Ehrlich (the original Algore) is still with them. Some of his "predictions"- You are correct. All resources are infinite, and it doesn't matter how many people tap these resources. This is physically impossible, but if you're stupid enough (like you), anything's possible. |
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On Oct 19, 1:56 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"BillP" wrote in message news:bAWRi.15739$fm1.5569@trnddc01... It's a theory, and the name of an organization which, for many years, has tried to push an agenda of not having more than 2 kids, so a couple only replaces itself without adding population. Naturally, there are people who think its inevitable that suggestions will become laws, and such people refuse to think about controlling population growth. I wonder if Paul Ehrlich (the original Algore) is still with them. Some of his "predictions"- You are correct. All resources are infinite, and it doesn't matter how many people tap these resources. This is physically impossible, but if you're stupid enough (like you), anything's possible. You are correct, there is no middle of the road or even common sense to be had.. It's only doom and gloom, we are in for a global freeze..ooooops, wrong election cycle... Sorry. |
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On Oct 18, 7:35 pm, Jack Redington wrote:
wrote: On Oct 17, 4:58 pm, Tim wrote: wrote: On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote: wrote: From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power production. It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10 mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore. But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within 50-75 ft. Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines. Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far). I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and there's very little coming over the spill way. kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek. I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad shape too. fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating up north to flow down.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tim, if it's an Army Corp lake, you can get current stats, predictions, etc from the Corp's website. Yes, Hartwell is in bad shape too. Oconee is the only one in these parts not suffering. I think Hartwell is down about 10-11 ft and things do not look good. Last weekend I had 15 ft under my dock in Gumlog creek. But our place is blessed with deep water. My biggest concern is getting out of Gumlog Creek to the main channel. There is one point that is rather skinny, but I check it last weekend and there is a skinny, but deep path threw it. At this time I am considering if I should get a trailer for the runabout and pull it. If this goes into next year I don't want to be stuck with the boat on the lift and no way to get it out. ie ramp access etc. Capt Jack R.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I've fished up in Gumlog creek. Had a friend who had a place close to there. Lake Lanier is now down 14 feet, they are saying there's enough water for 80 days. Army Corp of Engineers, because of their attitude that no one can make a decision unless it's in some obscure code or law, won't stop; discharging even now! |
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On Oct 19, 12:12 am, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote: On Oct 17, 9:42 pm, trainfan1 wrote: wrote: On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, trainfan1 wrote: wrote: On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, trainfan1 wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:DLqdnUOpmOY9cY7anZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comc ast.com... Jack Redington wrote: HK wrote: CNN had a feature on Lake Lanier this morning. Apparently water levels are way, way down, and if there isn't some serious protracted rain soon, a goodly portion of Georgia will be facing drought. Meanwhile, the video showed the shorelines of the lake line with dead shellfish and fish, left behind as the water receded. What's the impact on boating? While I no longer boat on Lanier, from the news many ramps are closed. At the present time that lake is about 12 below full pool. At least that was the last time I checked. Projections do not look good. Georgia has been in drought conditions all of this year. Spring rains were slight and every month has been a short. So it is not really news anymore. Lanier has several problems when rain is short. For one the drainage basin is small for a lake it's size. And about 6 million people in the Atlanta area depend on it. There is also the fact this this lake is under the Army Corps managment. At present they are letting out about twice the amount of water that is coming in. This has alot to do with the tri-state water war that has been going on since I have been here (about 10 years) The Corps has stated that they are keeping the discharge rate as it is to protect some shellfish that need it in in Florida. That being where the water hit the ocean. Alabama also uses/needs this water. Thus the tri-state angle on the water resources war. As far as impact on boating - Some ramps are closed and there are hazzards to navigation that would not normally exist. But that is what happens when water gets lower them normal. If you are really interested: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/Pre...07_BoatersCaut... Capt Jack R.. I was looking earlier for a current aerial or low satellite photo of the lake, but then I was distracted by work. With all the dead marine life now on the edges of the lake, there must be an insect and rat problem. I don't pay attention to Atlanta weather patterns. Is there a winter rainy season? If not, then the city may be reduced to Homeland Security bringing in water trucks. Not from our Lakes.........the Great Lakes.....the largest amount of fresh water in the world and quite a resource for the Canadians and Americans living close enough to enjoy the Lakes. Let Lanier dry up. After all, it is nothing more than a recreational lake.........correct? First and foremost, I believe, it is a reservoir. No. Flood Control. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website: Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. In that order. Flood control first. Water supply is down the list. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little, Correct - drinking water supply is below power generation in priority, which is below flood control in priority. You got it right! Since the lake's construction, metro Atlanta has been taking water from the lake to use for municipal drinking water, which was only authorized by Congress as an INCIDENTAL use, secondary to hydroelectricity. The lake's original and authorized purposes were to provide hydroelectricity and flood control. Who told you any different? Rob Where did you get this information from? It surely isn't from the Army Corp of Engineers, who operate the system! See: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/ Nowhere on that site will you see one single reason above all others for the construction of the lake. There are several reasons, none of which is paramount over any other. Google is your friend... but I'll go with the order of importance your reference presents: http://lanier.sam.usace.army.mil/purposes.htm The "major function" is flood control. Indicating 50% for flood control. I can't find any reference that puts it any other way. You say they don't produce much hydro power there. I'll go along with that too. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Need to really find out? http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/vis...cfm?Id=K502200 which simply calls it a simply "multipurpose" without identifying any one particular reason over another: "Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950 s, Lake Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection, power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and wildlife management. Lake Lanier is one of 464 lakes in 43 states constructed and operated by the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers. It has won the best operated lake of the year award in 1990, 1997 and 2002." |
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