Does one's heart good ....
 

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The
problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead
of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of
gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep
enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have
movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have
continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single
screw boat.

If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by
the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial
approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the
boat around and back it up.



What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this
before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in
any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing.

Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't
indoors at the Atlanta boat show.

Harry,
Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina
showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down
my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some
(obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't
know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I
always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem
for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know
about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach
you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts.

Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating,
and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't.


There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that
I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat.
The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you
want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000.
I know I do.

Does one's heart good ....
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The
problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of
keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear
(keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough
movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the
outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop
torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat.

If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the
wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but
with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and
back it up.


What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I
mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating
magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing.

Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at
the Atlanta boat show.

OMG, I cannot believe Reggie thought that was a big secret of his.

Thanks for the great laugh Reggie! (I am still laughing!)



Anytime, it will probably allow you to back into your slip now.

Does one's heart good ....
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The
problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead
of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of
gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep
enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have
movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have
continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single
screw boat.

If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected
by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial
approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin
the boat around and back it up.



What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this
before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in
any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing.

Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't
indoors at the Atlanta boat show.

Harry,
Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the
marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up
and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are
some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who
don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat,
I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the
problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't
know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can
teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts.

Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating,
and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't.


There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that
I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat.
The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you
want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000. I
know I do.




There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

Does one's heart good ....
 

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The
problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead
of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out
of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to
keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as
you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you
don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to
back a single screw boat.

If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected
by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial
approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin
the boat around and back it up.



What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this
before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in
any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing.

Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't
indoors at the Atlanta boat show.

Harry,
Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the
marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up
and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there
are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip)
who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their
boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the
problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't
know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can
teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts.

Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating,
and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't.


There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000
that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster
boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever
one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use
$20,000. I know I do.




There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

well then want to make some easy money? Between me being boatless and
you owning a Lobster Boat either you or your charity should be very happy.

Does one's heart good ....
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you.
The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So
instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in
and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you
want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As
long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and
since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of
cake to back a single screw boat.

If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected
by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your
initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature
to spin the boat around and back it up.



What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this
before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen
in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing.

Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't
indoors at the Atlanta boat show.

Harry,
Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the
marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up
and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there
are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip)
who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their
boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve
the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you
didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like
me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts.

Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their
boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating
trips. I don't.


There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard
a boat, let alone that you own one.

Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000
that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a
lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity,
which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity
that could use $20,000. I know I do.




There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

well then want to make some easy money? Between me being boatless and
you owning a Lobster Boat either you or your charity should be very happy.







I only gamble with gentlemen, Reggie, not with a**holes. You have proven
over and again that you are an a**hole.
There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

Does one's heart good ....
 

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you.
The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So
instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in
and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you
want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As
long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and
since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece
of cake to back a single screw boat.

If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be
effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with
your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd
nature to spin the boat around and back it up.



What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this
before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen
in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing.

Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't
indoors at the Atlanta boat show.

Harry,
Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the
marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up
and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there
are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the
slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble
docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always
seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so
upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a
boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep
reading all of my posts.

Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their
boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating
trips. I don't.


There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard
a boat, let alone that you own one.

Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000
that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a
lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity,
which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity
that could use $20,000. I know I do.




There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

well then want to make some easy money? Between me being boatless and
you owning a Lobster Boat either you or your charity should be very
happy.







I only gamble with gentlemen, Reggie, not with a**holes. You have proven
over and again that you are an a**hole.
There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a
boat, let alone that you own one.

Harry,
Since you know I don't own a boat, and you know you own a Lobster Boat,
it isn't gambling. It is just taking $20,000 from an Asshole, what
could be more fun.

Does one's heart good ....
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing
to do
with the outdrive acting like a rudder.

Eisboch

Well, since that is the way it feels to me, because I can easily
maneuver the boat without the outdrive in gear, why don't you tell me
why it is so easy to back the boat up.


As I mentioned in another post, it's the application of vectored thrust that
is "steering" your boat while backing into the slip. It's not because the
outdrive acts like a rudder.

Think of it this way.... A typical sailboat has a rudder that probably has
50 times or more the surface area that your outdrive has. Yet, even with
that big rudder, it is virtually useless in terms of "steering" the boat in
reverse, bumping or not.

Your technique is a good one, but not for the reasons you gave.

Eisboch

Eisboch,

I knew you would have an engineer's logical and scientific / physics
reason for why it works, and I am sure you explanation is 100% correct.
But, since this is Usenet, and no thread can die a natural death, I
just want to say, that with my runabouts and express cruisers (all with
planing hulls w/low draft in relationship to the depth of the outdrive,
I could maneuver the boat in reverse using the outdrive as a rudder. If
I was going too slow, or the wind was too fast, it would not work, and I
would have to use more power, but with my home dock, where I really want
to have the boat stern to, I have always been lucky to get a wind
protected slip, and I don't have to contend with current. If the boat
is being blown about from a heavy wind, I will have to pick up the speed
and use use more of the gear bumping while the outdrive is pointed in
the correct direction, but that normally doesn't happen in my home slip.

When I am at a courtesy dock, and the wind is blowing, I try to find a
slip or finger that will allow me to take advantage of the wind so the
wind will blow me into or against the side of the dock and don't worry
about backing the boat into the slip. When I had a boat with an inboard
engine, it handled differently then the I/O, but I could back the boat
in and use the rudder to maneuver, I just had to anticipate the prop
walk even more than the outdrive, but I still used the rudder to help
maneuver the boat.

I really don't know what are you talking about with the sailboat,
because I do know many sailboters who do back into the slip, and these
are 36' plus sailboats who are backing into the slip, so I think I am
not following your logic. It definitely seemed to me that they are
using their rudder to maneuver their boat.

Hopefully this thread can become another one of those long threads that
go on forever.

Does one's heart good ....
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..

I really don't know what are you talking about with the sailboat,
because I do know many sailboters who do back into the slip, and these
are 36' plus sailboats who are backing into the slip, so I think I am
not following your logic. It definitely seemed to me that they are
using their rudder to maneuver their boat.

Hopefully this thread can become another one of those long threads that
go on forever.


Hehehe ...

whatever works for you... and however you think it works .... do it.

But ... I can guarantee that sailboaters are not steering their boat
backwards using the rudder.

Google up... "Back and Fill"

Eisboch

Does one's heart good ....
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
I really don't know what are you talking about with the sailboat,
because I do know many sailboters who do back into the slip, and these
are 36' plus sailboats who are backing into the slip, so I think I am
not following your logic. It definitely seemed to me that they are
using their rudder to maneuver their boat.

Hopefully this thread can become another one of those long threads that
go on forever.


Hehehe ...

whatever works for you... and however you think it works .... do it.

But ... I can guarantee that sailboaters are not steering their boat
backwards using the rudder.

Google up... "Back and Fill"

Eisboch


I did say, it it seemed to me" I did find a great video showing the
back and fill method. http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_wmv1.htm

Does one's heart good ....
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I did say, it it seemed to me" I did find a great video showing the
back and fill method. http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_wmv1.htm



Watch it a few times, and then you can present another great "secret"
boating tip here, along with all the other info you've gather piloting
your imaginary boat on the mighty, receding waters of lake lanier.