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On Oct 15, 11:12 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. What an amazing secret he discovered.................... I don't know why he's trying to make a big deal out of backing up a boat. Some single-engine boats back up easily, some don't. You learn what your boat can do and make the mental adjustments. My new boat has a bit more "bow steer" than I am used to on single engine boats. I fiddled around with engine angle, trim tab settings, et cetera, until I found a happy medium. I'm sure our boy Reggie, the "experienced" boater who has found the reverse slot on his imaginary boat's controls, has a better answer. The great thing about the wonderful secret it is works on ALL BOATS.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well?? I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. Reggie, you are going to get hammered for this one. Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing to do with the outdrive acting like a rudder. Eisboch |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. Reggie, you are going to get hammered for this one. Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing to do with the outdrive acting like a rudder. Eisboch Well, since that is the way it feels to me, because I can easily maneuver the boat without the outdrive in gear, why don't you tell me why it is so easy to back the boat up. |
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HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. The marina is smart to encourage "bumping" from neutral to reverse and back while docking. The boat moves slowly and causes little or no damage when it hits something. It's a good technique, but not for the reasons you gave (outdrive acts like a rudder). Not at a slow speed and particularly going backwards. The short bumps of vectored thrust is what is moving the stern on an I/O or outboard. Sometimes, slowly backing into a slip using the "bumping" method isn't a good idea. When we had the Egg Harbor, we would often go out fishing on windy, stormy days that normally I would pass on. Backing into the slip in 35 kt crosswinds is not something you do slowly and casually. Eisboch |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. The marina is smart to encourage "bumping" from neutral to reverse and back while docking. The boat moves slowly and causes little or no damage when it hits something. It's a good technique, but not for the reasons you gave (outdrive acts like a rudder). Not at a slow speed and particularly going backwards. The short bumps of vectored thrust is what is moving the stern on an I/O or outboard. Sometimes, slowly backing into a slip using the "bumping" method isn't a good idea. When we had the Egg Harbor, we would often go out fishing on windy, stormy days that normally I would pass on. Backing into the slip in 35 kt crosswinds is not something you do slowly and casually. Eisboch When I kept my 25' Parker up at the Deale boatel, I had to back down a narrow corridor of boats on each side, maybe 5' of clearance on each side, a corridor a couple of hundred feet long, in order to get into position for the forklift. There was no way to spin the boat around anywhere along that route. I did not "bump" the throttle to get to the forklift. It was important that I maintain full control at all times. Never had a close call. Because of crosswinds, the ramp I mostly use these days requires deliberate forward motion and control at all times. Methinks Reggie is a bathtub boater. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing to do with the outdrive acting like a rudder. Eisboch Well, since that is the way it feels to me, because I can easily maneuver the boat without the outdrive in gear, why don't you tell me why it is so easy to back the boat up. As I mentioned in another post, it's the application of vectored thrust that is "steering" your boat while backing into the slip. It's not because the outdrive acts like a rudder. Think of it this way.... A typical sailboat has a rudder that probably has 50 times or more the surface area that your outdrive has. Yet, even with that big rudder, it is virtually useless in terms of "steering" the boat in reverse, bumping or not. Your technique is a good one, but not for the reasons you gave. Eisboch |
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