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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality. I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.

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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want
to carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


I think it is a very important statistic because the most common
argument for across the board abortion rights is examples of rape or
violence. I don't know, but I suspect there are many more abortions
performed simply because a pregnancy is currently "inconvenient" than
those performed because of a rape.

Eisboch


Never vote based only on things you suspect.

If your daughter was raped and you started talking to her about
statistics, I wonder how she'd react.


See? The rape thing again.

Eisboch

It's important because there are cults which think they can dictate the
options available to a rape victim. You can't exclude inconvenient facts
from the discussion, unless you'd like to say it's over for now.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould
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If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.

Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.

Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

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If your daughter was raped and you started talking to her about
statistics, I wonder how she'd react.


See? The rape thing again.

Eisboch

It's important because there are cults which think they can dictate the
options available to a rape victim. You can't exclude inconvenient facts
from the discussion, unless you'd like to say it's over for now.


My point is that the majority of abortions, I believe, are performed not
because of a rape, but because a resulting pregnancy following voluntary sex
where no precautions were taken happens to be embarrassing or inconvenient.

Rape is a different issue and much more difficult to resolve in my mind,
although I'd probably go along with having abortion a legal option in it's
case or in the event of a problematic pregnancy whereby the mother's life
may be in danger.

But to give everyone via legalized abortion, (call it pro-choice or
whatever) a free pass because they didn't act responsibly is not right in my
mind.

Whatever happened to the fathers with shotguns?

Eisboch

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:55:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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I, for one, am all for delaying the eventual slide of the USA to
socialism for as long as humanly possible.


I think most people would agree with that. But, it's hard to tell
without
definitions. What's your brief definition of socialized medicine, for
instance? Explain as if you needed to say it in a short sentence to
an
economics class.


No.

Eisboch


It's interesting how people who bitch about "socialism" are never EVER
willing to define an example. I know why. So do you.


I really don't think you have time for this, Doug.



You must be Doug's boss.

Eisboch


If I was his boss, he'd be unemployed by now.

I'm my boss. I'll be sure to complain to me later. Thanks for the reminder,
Clevis.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:29:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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The difference is much too subtle for you.


How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.-

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -




What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...

His technique of debate has been well studied. Those with *very* liberal
viewpoints often take on a pseudo-superior, "I am smart, you are dumb"
attitude when engaged in otherwise informative and meaningful discussion
with someone who does not agree with him. In other words, if you don't
agree, you are ill-informed or stupid or both.

If you read his comments, you'll see that it is a consistent approach to
debate.

Great call - that's Doug's modus operandi alright.

Without going any further, I will predict that in Doug's reply to you,
he will say something about being unable to read, or the lack of
reading or comprehension and make a snarky remark about the lack of
same.

Let's see if I'm right.

To quote the great Stan Lee - EXCELSISOR!!!

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:31:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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The difference is much too subtle for you.


How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.-

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -




What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...


His technique of debate has been well studied. Those with *very* liberal
viewpoints often take on a pseudo-superior, "I am smart, you are dumb"
attitude when engaged in otherwise informative and meaningful discussion
with someone who does not agree with him. In other words, if you don't
agree, you are ill-informed or stupid or both.

If you read his comments, you'll see that it is a consistent approach to
debate.


Eisboch


Perhaps you should read what he was responding to before passing judgement
this time, Eisboch.

Never mind. You won't.

~~ snerk ~~

Score one for me.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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Perhaps you should read what he was responding to before passing judgement
this time, Eisboch.

Never mind. You won't.

I rest my case.

EXCELSISOR!!!

~~ snerk ~~