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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0400, Rick Kulesh penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

The single offers less hydrodynamic drag than the 2 do, and the 250 is
probably about equal to the 2x150s. If you want twins purely for the
"reliability" argumant, just get the big single and get a contract
with
BoatUS/SeaTow/(insert water-assistance company of choice in your
area).
You'll save a buncha dough and not really sacrifice anything.

I don't include BoatUS/SeaTow as part of my planned safety equipment.
They are a fall back position for things I can't plan for or take
steps to avoid.

Redundancies a 2 bilge pumps, 2 VHF radios, 2 engines.... that is
planning for the eventual inevitability...



You and I are on the same page on that one.

2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...


You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)



No,

I just try to be more prepared than the next guy who *might* need something.

db

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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0400, Rick Kulesh penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

The single offers less hydrodynamic drag than the 2 do, and the 250
is
probably about equal to the 2x150s. If you want twins purely for the
"reliability" argumant, just get the big single and get a contract
with
BoatUS/SeaTow/(insert water-assistance company of choice in your
area).
You'll save a buncha dough and not really sacrifice anything.

I don't include BoatUS/SeaTow as part of my planned safety equipment.
They are a fall back position for things I can't plan for or take
steps to avoid.

Redundancies a 2 bilge pumps, 2 VHF radios, 2 engines.... that is
planning for the eventual inevitability...



You and I are on the same page on that one.

2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...


You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)


With all these redundancies I have to ask............what size of boat do
you have and where do you boat? Near shore or off shore?



I owned a old Mako 254 and quite often ventured offshore alone up until last
year. I loved that old tub and miss it terribly but grew tired of the
constant
maintenance on the old beast and quite frankly couldn't
justify the $450.00 fill ups anymore.

I've since traded it in on a 21' Carolina Skiff and although I don't
venture far from shore anymore, I'm still own/carry allot of the
same redundant crap I used to. (just in case) Why not?
It doesn't cost anything.

I also wear a pfd when underway and alone -most of the time.

db

On Oct 9, 12:34 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...

You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you
wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)

Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff.

Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that
many
ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries.

****, I carry an extra gasoline engine, an electric. two paddles, two
anchors, two anchor lines with extra chain, two spotlights and three
charged flashlights, horns, flares, extra dry clothes, extra glasses
both tinted and clear, extra hat, usually two extra lifejackets, two
spare throw cushions.. I could go on. And I got a 16 foot boat that
has never been more than a half mile from land. I do however boat in
congested areas, at night I AM coming home...

So? My point was the redundant equipment D said he carried.

From the looks of your Lake, it looks like you could swim to shore in 5
minutes if you boat sunk. Why the extra gear on such a small boat on such
a small lake?- Hide quoted text -

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Because I also boat down on the mouth of the CT River, and outside in
the Long Island Sound. I tend to find most of my time to fish in the
middle of the night or in icy waters... Probably the biggest problem
I face though is heavy traffic. If I break down I am laible to get run
over by a barge or party boat. As to all the extra gear, I am very
slow and don't want to lose a whole night of fishing over a little
rain or splash...

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On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:
2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...
You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you
wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)
Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff.
Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that
many
ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries.
****, I carry an extra gasoline engine, an electric. two paddles, two
anchors, two anchor lines with extra chain, two spotlights and three
charged flashlights, horns, flares, extra dry clothes, extra glasses
both tinted and clear, extra hat, usually two extra lifejackets, two
spare throw cushions.. I could go on. And I got a 16 foot boat that
has never been more than a half mile from land. I do however boat in
congested areas, at night I AM coming home...
So? My point was the redundant equipment D said he carried.

From the looks of your Lake, it looks like you could swim to shore in 5
minutes if you boat sunk. Why the extra gear on such a small boat on such
a small lake?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because I also boat down on the mouth of the CT River, and outside in
the Long Island Sound. I tend to find most of my time to fish in the
middle of the night or in icy waters... Probably the biggest problem
I face though is heavy traffic. If I break down I am laible to get run
over by a barge or party boat. As to all the extra gear, I am very
slow and don't want to lose a whole night of fishing over a little
rain or splash...



We have some "night fishermen" around here who go out in really small
boats and tend to congregate at the edges of some very narrow navigation
channels. I'm amazed more of them aren't accidently run down by power
cruisers.

On Oct 9, 10:19 am, HK wrote:
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On Oct 9, 12:34 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:
2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...
You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you
wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)
Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff.
Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that
many
ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries.
****, I carry an extra gasoline engine, an electric. two paddles, two
anchors, two anchor lines with extra chain, two spotlights and three
charged flashlights, horns, flares, extra dry clothes, extra glasses
both tinted and clear, extra hat, usually two extra lifejackets, two
spare throw cushions.. I could go on. And I got a 16 foot boat that
has never been more than a half mile from land. I do however boat in
congested areas, at night I AM coming home...
So? My point was the redundant equipment D said he carried.

From the looks of your Lake, it looks like you could swim to shore in 5
minutes if you boat sunk. Why the extra gear on such a small boat on such
a small lake?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because I also boat down on the mouth of the CT River, and outside in
the Long Island Sound. I tend to find most of my time to fish in the
middle of the night or in icy waters... Probably the biggest problem
I face though is heavy traffic. If I break down I am laible to get run
over by a barge or party boat. As to all the extra gear, I am very
slow and don't want to lose a whole night of fishing over a little
rain or splash...

We have some "night fishermen" around here who go out in really small
boats and tend to congregate at the edges of some very narrow navigation
channels. I'm amazed more of them aren't accidently run down by power
cruisers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I get more concerened with paddlers who usually carry no lights or
flags. Many times they are painted to get lost in the water too. Why
the hell anyone would paddle at night without lights is beyond me...

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:38:15 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:18:47 -0400, Lance Osojnicki penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


Howdy,

I am looking at a nice 25' center console fishing boat that weighs
3700
pounds dry and without power. Will a Suzuki 250 be enough get up and
go or
will a pair of 150s be necessary? I think 3700 is pretty light for a
25'
CC
compared to a Grady or Mako. Thoughts? My piggy bank would like to
say
single.

The principle reason to go with twins is redundancy. Your piggy bank
and your level of comfort with losing either some or *all* power will
have to come to terms.....

--

Another major reason for twins is maneuverability.


Twin outboards are usually placed so close together that there is very
little benefit in the minute amount of asymmetrical thrust that can be
produced.



My twins were on boats with I/O's. I could pivot either of them on a
dime and could easily stern in when docking. My single drives (I/O's
also) could not and my ability to maneuver in reverse was/is a bit
challenging. I could not imagine trying to stern in with an single I/O.

If there is in fact no advantage in maneuverability between single and
twin outboards (vs. when comparing with I/O's or inboards) perhaps it is
due to where the drives sit in relationship to the pivot point of the
boat and not the space between the drives.


There is a world of difference between close quarter maneuverability with
an I/O and a inboard. You really should be able to turn and/or stern in
that small runabout easily. You probably forgot how to use a single I/O
after using twins. You need to have someone review the basics and find
out how easy it is.




I have never had twins on anything, Backing down with a io is a no problem
at all. just like backing down with a outboard.

Capt Jack R..



I never said it was a problem. I did say that there is a world of
difference with close quarter maneuverability between twins and single
drives. Take a boat out with twins and your opinion will change about the
maneuverability difference.



I was not saying twins do not do well in close quarters. While I have
never had a boat had them. I have a uncle that had a 44 ft Trojan. I
could not beleive how he could get that thing in the slip he had. The
gas dock at the marina was right in front of his slip. Heck you could
not even see it when he pulled it out. After moving out it would turn on
a dime. And the same when he backed it in.

My brother currently has a 37ft crusier and it does nice as well.
Another buddy has a 33ft go-fast with io's. When he does tight moves he
leaves the drives straight out and just works the controls to get the
same effect.

All I was saying is that on io or outboards I have not had trouble
backing down. We had a 21ft cuddy (io) that I was always backing into a
slip. That made it easy to get out, and somtimes on short docks it was
the only way to go.

Now only over one weekend did I run a skiboat with direct drive. While I
really did not have alot of time to get use to it. I found it a beast to
back it down. The helm would not answer and it would just want to turn
to port. Maybe with a little more time I would have figured it out. :-)

Capt Jack R..

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.



And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.

Eisboch



Can't recall any real high wind events with backing down a single io.
But I have been chased off the lake a few times by storms so it may have
happened. Just nothing really comes to mind. I know I have used the wind
to help me out. You just got to plan for it.

Capt Jack R..

Reginald,

Feel free to divulge this info anytime. Since I frequently head out in
stronger winds, I'm supposing I already execute this but don't "Know" it,
per say. I'd like to know for sure, though.


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.


And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.

Eisboch



While 20 mph will make it challenging, I would assume it would effect
twins also. If you are in a little runabout, they do not have as much
freeboard as your GB, so I would think they are not effected as much as
your GB, even with your displacement hull. I would assume 20mph wants to
blow you all over the place.

But that isn't the secret I was talking about.