On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:02:02 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"JimH" ask wrote in message
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|
| "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Gene Kearns" wrote in message
| ...
| On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0400, Rick Kulesh penned the following
| well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| The single offers less hydrodynamic drag than the 2 do, and the 250 is
| probably about equal to the 2x150s. If you want twins purely for the
| "reliability" argumant, just get the big single and get a contract with
| BoatUS/SeaTow/(insert water-assistance company of choice in your area).
| You'll save a buncha dough and not really sacrifice anything.
|
| I don't include BoatUS/SeaTow as part of my planned safety equipment.
| They are a fall back position for things I can't plan for or take
| steps to avoid.
|
| Redundancies a 2 bilge pumps, 2 VHF radios, 2 engines.... that is
| planning for the eventual inevitability...
|
|
|
| You and I are on the same page on that one.
|
| 2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
| 2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...
|
|
| You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear
| suspenders and a belt? ;-)
|
|
|With all these redundancies I have to ask............what size of boat do
|you have and where do you boat? Near shore or off shore?
|

I think, from the threading, you may be asking SWS.... if not, then it
must be either me or D-Unit.

I can't speak for Tom's exact conditions, but D-Unit and I are just a
few miles apart, so we have the same conditions.

Locally we have three things to consider:

(1) The Gulf Stream is a minimum of 20 miles out, so.... depending on
weather, a trip offshore may be as much as 40 miles. For me, that is
in a boat that actually measures out at about 28 feet overall.

(2) Locally, we also have strong tidal currents which, with a boat not
under command, can send you swirling out of an inlet, like the Tidy
Bowl Man, and thence into rough water where the inlet or river meets
the ocean. If you aren't pooped, broached, or driven aground..... it
is just luck.

(3) Without power and in a sea where the anchor would drag, you are at
the mercy of the plentiful shoals.

An Ounce Of Preparation Is Worth A Pound Of Cure!

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:02:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...

It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.


And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.

Piffle.

Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves.

Up hill.

Both ways.

Ah, huh.

And I took my 16 foot Whaler Dauntless across Cape Cod Bay to Provincetown
and back a few years ago.

Upon my return, I crawled up on terra firma and kissed sweet earth.

LOL!!!

Totally understand.

I've done a couple of really - well, let's call it what it was: STUPID
- things in my day.

I took my Ranger out to the SW ledge off Block once on a decent day.
By the time I got back to Point Judith after a breeze kicked up, I
swore on a stack of bibles I'd never do that again.

And there was the time when I was a retarded teenager and took my 13
foot Boston Whaler Sport with two buddies out to Halfway Rock - in
theory for fluke fishing.

We were finally picked up by the Harbor Patrol boat after they noticed
us trying to get back in 2 footers and a stiff breeze. :)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:02:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..

It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.

And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.
Piffle.

Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves.

Up hill.

Both ways.
Ah, huh.

And I took my 16 foot Whaler Dauntless across Cape Cod Bay to Provincetown
and back a few years ago.

Upon my return, I crawled up on terra firma and kissed sweet earth.

LOL!!!

Totally understand.

I've done a couple of really - well, let's call it what it was: STUPID
- things in my day.

I took my Ranger out to the SW ledge off Block once on a decent day.
By the time I got back to Point Judith after a breeze kicked up, I
swore on a stack of bibles I'd never do that again.

And there was the time when I was a retarded teenager and took my 13
foot Boston Whaler Sport with two buddies out to Halfway Rock - in
theory for fluke fishing.

We were finally picked up by the Harbor Patrol boat after they noticed
us trying to get back in 2 footers and a stiff breeze. :)




Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port
Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:30:34 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I think, from the threading, you may be asking SWS.... if not, then it
must be either me or D-Unit.

I can't speak for Tom's exact conditions, but D-Unit and I are just a
few miles apart, so we have the same conditions.

Locally we have three things to consider:

(1) The Gulf Stream is a minimum of 20 miles out, so.... depending on
weather, a trip offshore may be as much as 40 miles. For me, that is
in a boat that actually measures out at about 28 feet overall.

(2) Locally, we also have strong tidal currents which, with a boat not
under command, can send you swirling out of an inlet, like the Tidy
Bowl Man, and thence into rough water where the inlet or river meets
the ocean. If you aren't pooped, broached, or driven aground..... it
is just luck.

(3) Without power and in a sea where the anchor would drag, you are at
the mercy of the plentiful shoals.

An Ounce Of Preparation Is Worth A Pound Of Cure!

Anywhere on the North Atlantic can be an adventure, but for me and the
Ranger, it's pretty much inshore out to maybe a couple of miles
depending on sea state and weather.

And depending on where I am - there are so many possibilities and
potential for trouble, it's amazing. A place I fish all the time, The
Race, across to the Plum Gut, down towards Saybrook and environs, the
situation can change within a mile or less. It's the same over
towards Montauk if I make that run from Stonington.

Fisher's Island Sound is also an interesting place where deep water
can turn into shallow water in a heart beat.

Around Westerly up to Point Judith, there are tons of rocks, piles of
rocks and small breach ways that can be fished - everything from tidal
flats to deep pools and with all the attendant problems that can cause
if you aren't paying attention.

Then there's Narragansett Bay which is a whole environment all by
it'self with wrecks, channels, reefs, rocks and rock piles - islands
with shallow and deep water and two entrances that can be some of the
most challenging sea conditions anywhere.

You need power, a sturdy boat and some knowledge when and when not to
challenge nautical Powers That Be and even then you can get into
trouble.

Scott was with me once when I just backed out of heading to Ohio Ledge
because of sea state in the rip between Patience Island and Warwick
Neck.

You have to know your limits, but having the extra gear in case the
fecal matter hits the rotating cooling device is important.

At least to me.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..




Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port
Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season.


My best friend and I would tell our respective parents that we were going
"camping".
This was at the age of about 12. We'd pack up food, sleeping bags and a
tent and head off, the parents thinking we were in the nearby woods
someplace.

Little did they know that our camping trips were on a 12 foot aluminum boat
out to Rainsford Island in Boston Harbor (launching from the South Shore).
We smuggled our Daisy BB guns along for the trip to shoot at the rats and
keep them out of the tent.

Eisboch

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:04:04 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...




Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port
Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season.


My best friend and I would tell our respective parents that we were going
"camping".
This was at the age of about 12. We'd pack up food, sleeping bags and a
tent and head off, the parents thinking we were in the nearby woods
someplace.

Little did they know that our camping trips were on a 12 foot aluminum boat
out to Rainsford Island in Boston Harbor (launching from the South Shore).
We smuggled our Daisy BB guns along for the trip to shoot at the rats and
keep them out of the tent.

BB guns?

We used to use .22s out on the farm when I was that age. We'd take
turns throwing rocks at the corn crib and when the rats ran out, we'd
shoot 'em.

Started doing that when I was nine. By the time I was twelve, I was
really good at it.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..




Ha! When I was about 10, I sailed my Sunfish from Woodmont, CT, to Port
Jefferson, LI. I got "beached" for the rest of the season.


My best friend and I would tell our respective parents that we were going
"camping".
This was at the age of about 12. We'd pack up food, sleeping bags and a
tent and head off, the parents thinking we were in the nearby woods
someplace.

Little did they know that our camping trips were on a 12 foot aluminum
boat
out to Rainsford Island in Boston Harbor (launching from the South Shore).
We smuggled our Daisy BB guns along for the trip to shoot at the rats and
keep them out of the tent.

Eisboch


Reminds me of the time my BVI buddy and I took a little 8 foot punt and
rowed to MacNabs Island in the harbour.
It was quite windy that day, really big swells hitting us head on...couldn't
see anything but water when in the trough.
He rowed the whole way while I sat in the back eating all the cookies his
grandmother packed for us.
We reached the east side of the island and had to drag/carry the boat along
a gravel road to the west side.
We were wasted. Finally at 2130 hrs we spotted the last sailboat leaving.
He agreed to let us come aboard and he towed the punt to the Pleasant Shoal
buoy where you either head up the main harbour or go up to one of the yacht
clubs on the Arm. We transfered into the punt at this point and rowed the
rest of the way home. Got into a bit of trouble as his mother had notified
the Coast Guard and they were preparing to start a search for us.
On a calm day it wouldn't have been a big deal.

On Oct 8, 2:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...

You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)

Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff.

Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that many
ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries.

****, I carry an extra gasoline engine, an electric. two paddles, two
anchors, two anchor lines with extra chain, two spotlights and three
charged flashlights, horns, flares, extra dry clothes, extra glasses
both tinted and clear, extra hat, usually two extra lifejackets, two
spare throw cushions.. I could go on. And I got a 16 foot boat that
has never been more than a half mile from land. I do however boat in
congested areas, at night I AM coming home...

On Oct 8, 7:44 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:30:34 -0400, Gene Kearns





wrote:
I think, from the threading, you may be asking SWS.... if not, then it
must be either me or D-Unit.

I can't speak for Tom's exact conditions, but D-Unit and I are just a
few miles apart, so we have the same conditions.

Locally we have three things to consider:

(1) The Gulf Stream is a minimum of 20 miles out, so.... depending on
weather, a trip offshore may be as much as 40 miles. For me, that is
in a boat that actually measures out at about 28 feet overall.

(2) Locally, we also have strong tidal currents which, with a boat not
under command, can send you swirling out of an inlet, like the Tidy
Bowl Man, and thence into rough water where the inlet or river meets
the ocean. If you aren't pooped, broached, or driven aground..... it
is just luck.

(3) Without power and in a sea where the anchor would drag, you are at
the mercy of the plentiful shoals.

An Ounce Of Preparation Is Worth A Pound Of Cure!

Anywhere on the North Atlantic can be an adventure, but for me and the
Ranger, it's pretty much inshore out to maybe a couple of miles
depending on sea state and weather.

And depending on where I am - there are so many possibilities and
potential for trouble, it's amazing. A place I fish all the time, The
Race, across to the Plum Gut, down towards Saybrook and environs, the
situation can change within a mile or less. It's the same over
towards Montauk if I make that run from Stonington.

Fisher's Island Sound is also an interesting place where deep water
can turn into shallow water in a heart beat.

Around Westerly up to Point Judith, there are tons of rocks, piles of
rocks and small breach ways that can be fished - everything from tidal
flats to deep pools and with all the attendant problems that can cause
if you aren't paying attention.

Then there's Narragansett Bay which is a whole environment all by
it'self with wrecks, channels, reefs, rocks and rock piles - islands
with shallow and deep water and two entrances that can be some of the
most challenging sea conditions anywhere.

You need power, a sturdy boat and some knowledge when and when not to
challenge nautical Powers That Be and even then you can get into
trouble.

Scott was with me once when I just backed out of heading to Ohio Ledge
because of sea state in the rip between Patience Island and Warwick
Neck.

I would note that I however am still green, I was ready to go for it,
guess I am lucky I was not driving I am like a 15 yo when it comes
to that ****, only thing sets me back is lightning, I don't like
lightning, or fire for that matter but that's another story


You have to know your limits, but having the extra gear in case the
fecal matter hits the rotating cooling device is important.

At least to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
D-unit wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0400, Rick Kulesh penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

The single offers less hydrodynamic drag than the 2 do, and the 250 is
probably about equal to the 2x150s. If you want twins purely for the
"reliability" argumant, just get the big single and get a contract
with
BoatUS/SeaTow/(insert water-assistance company of choice in your
area).
You'll save a buncha dough and not really sacrifice anything.
I don't include BoatUS/SeaTow as part of my planned safety equipment.
They are a fall back position for things I can't plan for or take
steps to avoid.

Redundancies a 2 bilge pumps, 2 VHF radios, 2 engines.... that is
planning for the eventual inevitability...



You and I are on the same page on that one.

2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...

My question to the fellow I had to tow home a few weeks ago...

Do you have a spare batt?

"NO"

Do you have a battery booster?

"NO"

Do you have a paddle?

"NO"

"Im thinking of getting out of the boating business..."
He said, with a grin, throwing me his tow line.

db









I'm not sure what the hell you are going to do with a paddle on the
typical deep vee or semi-deep-vee runabout...


I find them to be handy sometimes.

He was washed up on some oyster beds. I wanted him to push himself off
of them so *I* didn't have to drag his boat off.


db