On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
.. .

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:46:38 -0400, Rick Kulesh penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

The single offers less hydrodynamic drag than the 2 do, and the 250 is
probably about equal to the 2x150s. If you want twins purely for the
"reliability" argumant, just get the big single and get a contract with
BoatUS/SeaTow/(insert water-assistance company of choice in your area).
You'll save a buncha dough and not really sacrifice anything.

I don't include BoatUS/SeaTow as part of my planned safety equipment.
They are a fall back position for things I can't plan for or take
steps to avoid.

Redundancies a 2 bilge pumps, 2 VHF radios, 2 engines.... that is
planning for the eventual inevitability...

You and I are on the same page on that one.

2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...

You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)

I'm pretty much with Gene on this one. I also have a small spare EMS
kit, a second location for signalling equipment, yada, yada, yada...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:06:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:44:38 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

2 engines, 2 batteries, jumper cables, battery booster,
2 keys, 2 radios. 2 GPS's...on and on...


You must have a real problem with things breaking on you. Do you wear
suspenders and a belt? ;-)

Gene boats on the ocean, not this pansy Lake Eerie stuff.

~~ snerk ~~

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:18:32 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Gene did not write the post I responded to. Regardless, I doubt that many
ocean boaters have the redundancies D-Unit said he carries.

All that and more, let's not forget twin generators, auto EPIRB,
liferaft, SSB radio, weather FAX, emergency rations, etc., not to
mention the triple redundancy high speed internet access. :-)

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:55:34 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I'm pretty much with Gene on this one. I also have a small spare EMS
kit, a second location for signalling equipment, yada, yada, yada...

2 radios, 2 gps's, battery booster AND jumper cables? I doubt if anyone
but D-Unit carries that. ;-)

Wrong, see previous, and don't forget the SOLAS flares, anything less
is for 4th of July cookouts.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:38:15 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:18:47 -0400, Lance Osojnicki penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Howdy,

I am looking at a nice 25' center console fishing boat that weighs
3700
pounds dry and without power. Will a Suzuki 250 be enough get up
and go or
will a pair of 150s be necessary? I think 3700 is pretty light for
a 25'
CC
compared to a Grady or Mako. Thoughts? My piggy bank would like to
say
single.

The principle reason to go with twins is redundancy. Your piggy bank
and your level of comfort with losing either some or *all* power will
have to come to terms.....

--

Another major reason for twins is maneuverability.

Twin outboards are usually placed so close together that there is very
little benefit in the minute amount of asymmetrical thrust that can be
produced.



My twins were on boats with I/O's. I could pivot either of them on a
dime and could easily stern in when docking. My single drives (I/O's
also) could not and my ability to maneuver in reverse was/is a bit
challenging. I could not imagine trying to stern in with an single I/O.

If there is in fact no advantage in maneuverability between single and
twin outboards (vs. when comparing with I/O's or inboards) perhaps it
is due to where the drives sit in relationship to the pivot point of
the boat and not the space between the drives.


There is a world of difference between close quarter maneuverability
with an I/O and a inboard. You really should be able to turn and/or
stern in that small runabout easily. You probably forgot how to use a
single I/O after using twins. You need to have someone review the
basics and find out how easy it is.



I have never had twins on anything, Backing down with a io is a no
problem at all. just like backing down with a outboard.

Capt Jack R..

Jack Redington wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:
point of the boat and not the space between the drives.


There is a world of difference between close quarter maneuverability
with an I/O and a inboard. You really should be able to turn and/or
stern in that small runabout easily. You probably forgot how to use a
single I/O after using twins. You need to have someone review the
basics and find out how easy it is.



I have never had twins on anything, Backing down with a io is a no
problem at all. just like backing down with a outboard.

Capt Jack R..


It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..

It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.


And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.

Eisboch

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...

It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.


And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.

Piffle.

Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves.

Up hill.

Both ways.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:37:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...

It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.


And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.

Piffle.

Why I've been known to take my Ranger out in creasting 50 foot waves.

Up hill.

Both ways.



Ah, huh.

And I took my 16 foot Whaler Dauntless across Cape Cod Bay to Provincetown
and back a few years ago.

Upon my return, I crawled up on terra firma and kissed sweet earth.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..

It really isn't a problem, especially if you know the secret. When I
purchased my first new boat the dealer told me the secret, and it is
very very easy.


And the secret is:

Don't take your single engined I/O boat out in any winds in excess of 20
mph.

Eisboch



While 20 mph will make it challenging, I would assume it would effect
twins also. If you are in a little runabout, they do not have as much
freeboard as your GB, so I would think they are not effected as much as
your GB, even with your displacement hull. I would assume 20mph wants
to blow you all over the place.

But that isn't the secret I was talking about.