On Sep 25, 7:39 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:27:31 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:17 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not
provide it

Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a
battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one.

OOOOOMMMMMMM

Get a decent news server.

OOOOOMMMMMMM

And a decent news reader.

OOOOOMMMMMMM.....

The question has been answered and presented but you have chosen the
path of the Luddite in your quest to be cheap.

It was answered thusly:

OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......

One does what one must.

OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

Or not.

OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM...

But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery
cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly
around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the
wrapping to make a snug fit.

I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before.

but.... is it permissable?

OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM.....

The answer is relevant to the universal constant.

To wit:

OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM...

One does what one must.

OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM....

Or not.

OOOOOOOMMMMMMM....

Tom, I have now calmed down from sheer laughter, to once be able to
type.

I have coughed various substances from clouded lungs, and have burned
my eyes with tears. I have now wiped the sweat off my brow, and
uncapped and slugging away at a cold bottle of ice water.

That was great. I'll sleep better tonight. Proverbs 17:22

For such, I thank you.

I live to serve.

I'll have a number 6 super-sized with a coke!

OOOOOOOMMMMMMM....

Have you considered making Yellow Pages ads?

No

please do

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:33:54 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not
provide it

Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a
battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one.


But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery
cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly
around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the
wrapping to make a snug fit.


I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before.

You have my permission. But first...
A Southern Illinois auto parts rebuilder named Tim moved to Vermont to
become a "Gentleman Farmer." He was just tired of oily parts, and
really enjoyed maple syrup, which was hard to find locally.
His farm in Vermont went fairly well, and his first tapping of maple
trees went well. His neighbor, an elderly farmer named Cobb, was
reticent, impossible to get to talking, but a nice enough feller.
A mule was part of the farm deal, and the transplanted Illini enjoyed
skinning it to pull boulders off some land where he wanted to plant
another stand of maples. He got real attached to the mule.
Winter came, and the mule got sick, with a runny nose and general
lethargy.
Before calling a vet, Tim figured he'd ask Cobb about it first since
Cobb had his own mule.
He walked over to Cobb's, found him bucking a log.
Tim explained what symptoms the mule was showing, and asked Cobb if
his mule ever got sick like that.
"Nope."
About to leave to get the vet, he asked Cobb if he had seen any mule
sick like that.
"Yep. My last mule did."
Well, Tim asked, how did you treat him?
"Gave him a quart of turpentine."
Thank You! said Tim.
Tim went back home, fetched a quart of turpentine from the shed and
went to the barn. His mule was down and now had labored breathing.
Tim cradled the heavy mule head in his lap and prying the jaws open,
poured the turpentine down the mule's throat.
The mule took a couple deep breaths, stood up, got on his hind legs,
then toppled over dead, legs in the air.
Tim went back to Cobb, who was still sawing wood.
Well, said Tim, I gave Guss the turpentine like you said, and it
killed him.
"Yep. Killed mine too."

Now don't mistake me for Cobb, or yourself for Tim, but I have to tell
that the last time I pounded a fitting onto a battery terminal the
damn terminal fell right into the battery.

--Vic
on a bunted at


LOL!

I solder all my wires. Evry crimp connection I have seen on a boat that was
more than a few years old had developed noticable resistance and voltage
drop.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:24:52 -0400, Ernest Scribbler penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"Gene Kearns" wrote
Crimp the lugs (no solder)

Whyzzat?


We use stranded wire on most everything but houses... reason being it
stays pliable, is resistant to work hardening, and isn't brittle and
overly subject to breakage.

The moment you solder a stranded wire you have created (at that point)
a solid wire and a stress riser... with all of the ensuing
problems.... which are unsatisfactory for a vibrating... whatever...
which surely includes boats.

If you can support the wire you might get away with it, however, a
battery cable end is, by definition under stress at best...

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:49:26 -0500, Gene Kearns
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The moment you solder a stranded wire you have created (at that point)
a solid wire and a stress riser... with all of the ensuing
problems.... which are unsatisfactory for a vibrating... whatever...
which surely includes boats.

If you can support the wire you might get away with it, however, a
battery cable end is, by definition under stress at best...
I agree. In addition, if you don't wash all the flux off you will
invite corrosion.
The best connections will also get some silicone grease or similar
sealant and shrink tube which protects the connection and gives some
stiffness to the conductor at the joint

There are non corrosive fluxs.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:13:12 -0800, "Calif Bill"
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wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:49:26 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

The moment you solder a stranded wire you have created (at that point)
a solid wire and a stress riser... with all of the ensuing
problems.... which are unsatisfactory for a vibrating... whatever...
which surely includes boats.

If you can support the wire you might get away with it, however, a
battery cable end is, by definition under stress at best...
I agree. In addition, if you don't wash all the flux off you will
invite corrosion.
The best connections will also get some silicone grease or similar
sealant and shrink tube which protects the connection and gives some
stiffness to the conductor at the joint

There are non corrosive fluxs.

Non corrosive is a relative term. In the presence of salt water they
are all corrosive to some extent. That is the function, to break the
surface oxidation so the solder can form a clean alloy with the
conductor metal.

The clean alloy is easily susceptible to corrosion.

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:14:50 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I solder all my wires. Evry crimp connection I have seen on a boat that was
|more than a few years old had developed noticable resistance and voltage
|drop.

You can expect that if you don't use quality water tight connectors.

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Waterproof is a relative term. After years of exposure to moisture most
"waterproof" things are not really all that waterproof. Many of the
electrical problems I have seen on older boats is poor conductivity. I've
never encountered a broken wire that broke because it was soldered to a lug.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:14:50 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I solder all my wires. Evry crimp connection I have seen on a boat that
was
|more than a few years old had developed noticable resistance and voltage
|drop.

You can expect that if you don't use quality water tight connectors.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:20:35 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Waterproof is a relative term. After years of exposure to moisture most
|"waterproof" things are not really all that waterproof. Many of the
|electrical problems I have seen on older boats is poor conductivity. I've
|never encountered a broken wire that broke because it was soldered to a lug.

I have and ABYC apparently has, as well, since they do not allow
solder as a sole means of connection.

ANCOR recommends crimping vs. soldering. Per ABYC standards
(E-11.16.3.7), “Solder shall not be the sole means of mechanical
connection in any circuit”. Further, crimping provides a solid
mechanical connection resistant to “cold joints”, breaking under
fatigue and removes strain when using ANCOR double crimp nylon
connectors."

The terminals are made to be attached to the wire by mechanical means.
If you are using tinned marine cable, and the proper terminal end and
crimper, there is no need to solder the connection.

Cite:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000625.html

Soldering is fine in any area where you can immobilize both sides of
the joint or where moisture and vibration are not a problem. If you
can't insure that, you are better off leaving the soldering iron in
the tool box.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:27:47 -0500, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:10:25 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
|
|I have and ABYC apparently has, as well, since they do not allow
|solder as a sole means of connection.
|
|
|By that they just mean you should create a mechanical connection
|before you solder. That is the accepted practice everywhere.
|It can be as simple as twisting the wire together but sometyhing like
|a Western Union splice is what an old time craftsman would use,
|
|These are examples of building wire but the same holds true of fine
|stranded wire
|
|http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/splices.jpg

Got that, but how do you do that with a ring terminal?

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:19:35 -0500, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|A "solder" type ring terminal has a hole in it you put the wire
|through and fold it back. They do have a clamp ring that goes around
|the insulated part of the wire after they cool for that strain relief
|we are talking about. (I may have some in my junk box if nobody has
|seen one)
|I haven't seen one used in years because crinping is faster. By a like
|token, you don't see electricians with solder pots either.
|

Ok, here is what I use, exclusively. YMMV.
http://tinyurl.com/2vfao7
http://tinyurl.com/3d49so

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