On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:46:07 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:38:41 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:15:21 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:35:14 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:04:39 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Now JimH *and* Harry have 'bozo' bins!

The more posters that have them and *use* them, the better off
rec.boats will be....

What if two (cross-)posters came to rec.boats for a flame war and you
never saw it.......?

That would be fine. But until they're filtered, they'll be seen.

I like your '*use* them' comment! :-)

Actually, that is a two-edged sword.

1) How many times have I read a poster brag to the offender "off to
the kill file you go, asshole" only to see the poster continue
replying to the offender.....

2) Having killfiled posters that just don't seem to get it.... they
keep appearing and re-appearing because others respond to them and
their detritus continues to show up as quoted text.

Maybe will power is more effective than kill files.....

That's the edge to which I was referring.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:31:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad
picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs
in
a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34
jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away.
A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs
and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not
in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your back.
I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of
weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with
you.
I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the
exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the
same
time.

I find golf to be a complete snore. I've tried it. And, it's certainly not
strenuous enough to have any real value to me.


Change courses.

If you walked four miles, carrying your clubs, with some hills and
valleys,
and you didn't work up a sweat, then put 150lbs on your back and run four
minute miles.

He is in Ohio. Lacks steep hills. Highest point in the state is only
1504'.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:31:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal
wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad
picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs
in
a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34
jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no
higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away.
A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs
and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not
in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your
back. I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of
weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with
you.
I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the
exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the
same
time.

I find golf to be a complete snore. I've tried it. And, it's certainly
not
strenuous enough to have any real value to me.


Change courses.

If you walked four miles, carrying your clubs, with some hills and
valleys,
and you didn't work up a sweat, then put 150lbs on your back and run four
minute miles.

He is in Ohio. Lacks steep hills. Highest point in the state is only
1504'.


OOPS. Confused Doug and Jimh.

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:33:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:31:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad
picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs
in
a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34
jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away.
A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs
and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not
in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your back.
I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of
weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with
you.
I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the
exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the
same
time.

I find golf to be a complete snore. I've tried it. And, it's certainly not
strenuous enough to have any real value to me.


Change courses.

If you walked four miles, carrying your clubs, with some hills and
valleys,
and you didn't work up a sweat, then put 150lbs on your back and run four
minute miles.

He is in Ohio. Lacks steep hills. Highest point in the state is only
1504'.


Hell, I've ridden a motorcycle in Ohio. There's some pretty hilly country
there!

It doesn't take much of a hill to make walking with a golf bag on your back
a pretty strenuous activity.

He could always jog from one shot to the next!

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:37:16 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:31:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal
wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad
picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs
in
a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34
jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no
higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away.
A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs
and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not
in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your
back. I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of
weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with
you.
I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the
exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the
same
time.

I find golf to be a complete snore. I've tried it. And, it's certainly
not
strenuous enough to have any real value to me.


Change courses.

If you walked four miles, carrying your clubs, with some hills and
valleys,
and you didn't work up a sweat, then put 150lbs on your back and run four
minute miles.

He is in Ohio. Lacks steep hills. Highest point in the state is only
1504'.


OOPS. Confused Doug and Jimh.


Now that you mention it...doesn't Doug live up around Rochester,NY? Hell,
there should be some hills up there too.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:35:14 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:04:39 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Now JimH *and* Harry have 'bozo' bins!

The more posters that have them and *use* them, the better off
rec.boats will be....

What if two (cross-)posters came to rec.boats for a flame war and you
never saw it.......?



You don't need crossposters to have members of your bozo bin...I've got
Smitherscum, Herringbrain, DanDingleBerry, and a half dozen other
flamers in there. You really have to stand back when you lift the cover
to toss another turdbrain in there.

JimH wrote:


Regardless, what does the fact that our highest point (actually 1,550 feet)
above sea level have anything to do with this conversation. We will be
high and dry when your wacko State drops into the ocean from earthquakes.
We also have direct access to the world's largest fresh water supply.


You have direct access to Antarctica?

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:35:14 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:04:39 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Now JimH *and* Harry have 'bozo' bins!

The more posters that have them and *use* them, the better off
rec.boats will be....

What if two (cross-)posters came to rec.boats for a flame war and you
never saw it.......?



You don't need crossposters to have members of your bozo bin...I've got
Smitherscum, Herringbrain, DanDingleBerry, and a half dozen other
flamers in there. You really have to stand back when you lift the cover
to toss another turdbrain in there.

Sure you do, Harry.

"dbu`" wrote in message
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In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"dbu`" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"dbu`" wrote in message
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In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"witfal" wrote in message
...
On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad
picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs
in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34
jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no
higher
than
18
percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good
thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.


I can't deal with the monotony of gyms. My doctor was an army
airborne
ranger. He said that by the time he was ready to jump, he was
jogging
with
his body weight on his back. He's 58, and suggested the current
routine.
Wants to see me up to 75 lbs by December, 100 by January (in the
pack),
and
30 per in each hand. I'm gonna do it outdoors. 15-20 degree temps
will
be
interesting. 1/2 mile up two serious hills in under 10 minutes.
Doesn't
sound like much until you see these hills.

The doctor looks like he's 18.

Would you like a little advice?

I'm always interested in new ideas. Do you know someone who has some?

Did your doctor perform a heart evaluation? That weight hauling up a
hill and jogging or trying to walk fast at the same time for someone
that has not done it in a while is a recipe for cardiac arrest,
especially at your age, 40-something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_arrest.

Better take it easy at first and build up slow. Your legs aren't what
they were when you were twenty either so shin splints
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_splints are also a possibility,
very
painful.

If you want to lift weights, fine, I do a little lifting at home, but I
find it boring also, besides it does nothing for your most important
muscle, the heart. Walk, walk fast, start out with short walks if you
are not up to long ones, but do it every day, do it in the rain, snow,
do it when you don't want to. Before you know it you will be walking 4
to 5 miles a day and more. It's important to know how far and for how
long you are walking. I have a couple of routes I take and I use a
stop
watch to measure the time I'm out and for how long I run. A good walk
lets you look around your neighborhood, maybe meet some new neighbors,
fresh air, when you get back home you'll feel like a million bucks. If
you are diciplined like me it will evolve into jogging, but I don't
recommend it for someone who has not walked for sometime and besides at
your age before doing any kind of strenuous exercuse you should have a
physical. Time? Don't have the time? Find the time, set it as a high
priority. Get yourself a pair of decent shoes. Forget about hauling
weights on your back and all that at least at the beginning. You
probably aren't in too bad a shape, but because of your age need to
build up gradually, sort of like starting over again.

Another alternative is biking. It is fun and another good way to get
the heart rate up, but you have to buy a bike and maintain it. If you
don't like piddling with bike maintenance then maybe that's not for
you.

The body goes downhill faster the older you are if you don't keep it
up.
It's like a car, if you let it go to hell it will.

Cardio's fine, per the doctor. This routine's primarily aimed at keeping
me
tight through the winter. From April through October, my normal pastimes
keep me in shape. He once asked what I was doing to stay in shape. I said
"Some hiking, mostly gardening". He doubted the gardening, but most
people
don't do it for 8 hours straight with a 4 minute break for lunch. I don't
sit down all weekend. I said "Come on over some weekend. Don't forget to
bring an ambulance." :-)

I enjoy biking, but I'll only do it at one or two protected paths which
are
inconvenient for a daily routine. NY State allows people to drive cars
even
if they are clinically dead or legally blind. Every day, I see at least 5
drivers who remind me of why I want metal all around me. Perhaps one day,
we'll be allowed to shoot such drivers. Until then, biking's out.

I used to bike everyday after work, for miles, but I stopped because of
the traffic. Plus when biking there is a lot of coasting and you just
sit. For my money I like the walk/jog, for only the cost of a new pair
of shoes every three or four months. I still have my bikes in case I
have to go back to that due to bad knees or whatever.


Yeah - the walking's the best deal. And, I can add resistance in any number
of ways (backpack, ankle weights, barbells, hills).

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:31:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad
picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs
in
a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34
jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away.
A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs
and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not
in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your back.
I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of
weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with
you.
I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the
exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the
same
time.

I find golf to be a complete snore. I've tried it. And, it's certainly not
strenuous enough to have any real value to me.


Change courses.

If you walked four miles, carrying your clubs, with some hills and
valleys,
and you didn't work up a sweat, then put 150lbs on your back and run four
minute miles.

WHY??? The game itself bores me. Why should I pay money to use a stretch of
lawn for a game that bores me?