On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good. Got back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.

Oh, I won't crosspost this so I don't embarrass you in your 'real men'
group. Which is it, BTW?

alt.autos.toyota,rec.gardens,alt.home.repair

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:55:51 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good. Got back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.

Oh, I won't crosspost this so I don't embarrass you in your 'real men'
group. Which is it, BTW?

alt.autos.toyota,rec.gardens,alt.home.repair

Change the second 'bag' to 'back'...

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:12:27 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:50:29 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"witfal" wrote in message
...
On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.

It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good. Got back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that direction.
Not.
I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher than 18
percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A good
thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by cardio.

I can't deal with the monotony of gyms. My doctor was an army airborne
ranger. He said that by the time he was ready to jump, he was jogging with
his body weight on his back. He's 58, and suggested the current routine.
Wants to see me up to 75 lbs by December, 100 by January (in the pack), and
30 per in each hand. I'm gonna do it outdoors. 15-20 degree temps will be
interesting. 1/2 mile up two serious hills in under 10 minutes. Doesn't
sound like much until you see these hills.

The doctor looks like he's 18.


Why crosspost?

My golf bag approaches that! Give it a try!

Are you carrying three boxes of balls?

Pretty close! Actually, I've changed my habits. I used to put found balls
in my bag, thinking that I was lucky. I've now realized I very seldom use
them, and they seem to multiply on their own.

Our local shop has a big container for collecting balls to be sent to Iraq.
That's where I've emptied many of my found balls. The bag is much lighter!
And, I don't carry it. I use a Sun Mountain three wheeled cart.

Doug is talking about carrying weight and walking. I can't think of a more
enjoyable way to do both than playing a round of golf.

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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in
a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your back. I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with you.
I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the
same
time.

I find golf to be a complete snore. I've tried it. And, it's certainly not
strenuous enough to have any real value to me.

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good. Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not in
the shape you are.

I walk the course at least twice a week, usually three times a week. I play
with a couple guys that can't walk the whole way, so on those days I'll
ride the cart. But, I'll often grab a handfull of clubs and take off
walking. Depending on the course, I'll sometimes walk as they ride. Usually
it's no trouble keeping up.

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:15:21 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:35:14 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:04:39 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Now JimH *and* Harry have 'bozo' bins!

The more posters that have them and *use* them, the better off
rec.boats will be....

What if two (cross-)posters came to rec.boats for a flame war and you
never saw it.......?

That would be fine. But until they're filtered, they'll be seen.

I like your '*use* them' comment! :-)

"dbu`" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"dbu`" wrote in message
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In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"witfal" wrote in message
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On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good. Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher
than
18
percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good
thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.


I can't deal with the monotony of gyms. My doctor was an army airborne
ranger. He said that by the time he was ready to jump, he was jogging
with
his body weight on his back. He's 58, and suggested the current
routine.
Wants to see me up to 75 lbs by December, 100 by January (in the
pack),
and
30 per in each hand. I'm gonna do it outdoors. 15-20 degree temps will
be
interesting. 1/2 mile up two serious hills in under 10 minutes.
Doesn't
sound like much until you see these hills.

The doctor looks like he's 18.

Would you like a little advice?

I'm always interested in new ideas. Do you know someone who has some?

Did your doctor perform a heart evaluation? That weight hauling up a
hill and jogging or trying to walk fast at the same time for someone
that has not done it in a while is a recipe for cardiac arrest,
especially at your age, 40-something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_arrest.

Better take it easy at first and build up slow. Your legs aren't what
they were when you were twenty either so shin splints
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_splints are also a possibility, very
painful.

If you want to lift weights, fine, I do a little lifting at home, but I
find it boring also, besides it does nothing for your most important
muscle, the heart. Walk, walk fast, start out with short walks if you
are not up to long ones, but do it every day, do it in the rain, snow,
do it when you don't want to. Before you know it you will be walking 4
to 5 miles a day and more. It's important to know how far and for how
long you are walking. I have a couple of routes I take and I use a stop
watch to measure the time I'm out and for how long I run. A good walk
lets you look around your neighborhood, maybe meet some new neighbors,
fresh air, when you get back home you'll feel like a million bucks. If
you are diciplined like me it will evolve into jogging, but I don't
recommend it for someone who has not walked for sometime and besides at
your age before doing any kind of strenuous exercuse you should have a
physical. Time? Don't have the time? Find the time, set it as a high
priority. Get yourself a pair of decent shoes. Forget about hauling
weights on your back and all that at least at the beginning. You
probably aren't in too bad a shape, but because of your age need to
build up gradually, sort of like starting over again.

Another alternative is biking. It is fun and another good way to get
the heart rate up, but you have to buy a bike and maintain it. If you
don't like piddling with bike maintenance then maybe that's not for you.

The body goes downhill faster the older you are if you don't keep it up.
It's like a car, if you let it go to hell it will.

Cardio's fine, per the doctor. This routine's primarily aimed at keeping me
tight through the winter. From April through October, my normal pastimes
keep me in shape. He once asked what I was doing to stay in shape. I said
"Some hiking, mostly gardening". He doubted the gardening, but most people
don't do it for 8 hours straight with a 4 minute break for lunch. I don't
sit down all weekend. I said "Come on over some weekend. Don't forget to
bring an ambulance." :-)

I enjoy biking, but I'll only do it at one or two protected paths which are
inconvenient for a daily routine. NY State allows people to drive cars even
if they are clinically dead or legally blind. Every day, I see at least 5
drivers who remind me of why I want metal all around me. Perhaps one day,
we'll be allowed to shoot such drivers. Until then, biking's out.

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good. Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your back. I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with you. I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the same
time.

On 9/22/07 8:11 AM, in article ,
"BAR" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"witfal" wrote in message
...
On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.

It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good. Got back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that direction.
Not.
I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher than 18
percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A good
thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by cardio.


I can't deal with the monotony of gyms. My doctor was an army airborne
ranger. He said that by the time he was ready to jump, he was jogging with
his body weight on his back. He's 58, and suggested the current routine.
Wants to see me up to 75 lbs by December, 100 by January (in the pack), and
30 per in each hand. I'm gonna do it outdoors. 15-20 degree temps will be
interesting. 1/2 mile up two serious hills in under 10 minutes. Doesn't
sound like much until you see these hills.

The doctor looks like he's 18.


When I made my first jump it took $145 and 6 hours of class work. It was
a static-line jump but, I got a ram-air parachute that was steerable.
That's about what I spent BC (before children). Loved the experience and
would go again as soon as the kids are grown.

Sikorsky invented helicopters so that the troops would survive the
vertical entry to the battlefield.

Hadn't heard that before - wonder if DS, aka the history buff, knows that.

C

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:31:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:17:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:52:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:08:39 -0700, witfal wrote:

On 2007-09-21 16:45:50 -0700, "JoeSpareBedroom"

said:
Joe...no offense intended...but get to the gym, man.

Assuming that's you, of course.


It's me, and I agree halfway. It's about 20% shirt and bad picture
angle.
But still, I saw that picture and said PHUQUE! This isn't good.
Got
back
to
hiking 3 miles a day on some outrageous hills, carrying 50 lbs in
a
backpack
and 20 lbs in each hand for resistance. I've been in size 34 jeans
since
1970, went to 35 two years ago. I will NOT continue in that
direction.
Not.

I don't know how tall you are, but you should strive for no higher
than
18 percent body fat. You'll live longer, and keep diabetes away. A
good thing.

15-16% would be better. I pack 13 and, at age 54, it's tough
getting
lower unless you spend some time every day lifting followed by
cardio.

Golf - walking.

A game for pansies. Sounds right, johnny.

You've walked 7000 yards with a golf bag on your bag full of clubs and
balls, right?

Try it, and then come and call names.


Is that why you play it? For the weight lifting exercise?


My initial reason for even considering it was the idea of getting the
exercise. It's much more appealing than a treadmill.

No, I don't carry my bag, so I'm not into it for the weight lifting
exercise. I'm 6' 3.5" and weigh, as of yesterday, 196 lbs. So I'm not in
the shape you are.


So, your question about the 7000 yards with a bag full of clubs was
meaningless, since you don't carry it.


No, you were the one talking about walking with the weight on your back. I
was suggesting an alternative. I don't *need* to walk with a lot of weight
on my back. My doctor just pushes exercise, which I'm getting.

Doug, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start a ****ing contest with you.
I
saw the picture, I read your comments, I offered a way to get the exercise
the doctor suggested and do something enjoyable and challenging at the
same
time.

I find golf to be a complete snore. I've tried it. And, it's certainly not
strenuous enough to have any real value to me.


Change courses.

If you walked four miles, carrying your clubs, with some hills and valleys,
and you didn't work up a sweat, then put 150lbs on your back and run four
minute miles.