Two Parkers
 

I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O

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"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O



I'm not sure what you mean by giving a "little life" to the lines. The
boats are exactly what they look like...center console fishing boats. I'll
take a couple of photos of the bow for you and maybe you can tell me what
you have in mind, okay? :}

IMO, that's the problem with some of these boats .... no distinguishing
lines. From a distance they pretty much look the same. Instead of
designing in some uniqueness, some manufacturers are content with putting
their name or logo in big letters on the side. (Parker, Robolo, etc.)

Eisboch

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On Sep 11, 9:24 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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wrote:
I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O

I'm not sure what you mean by giving a "little life" to the lines. The
boats are exactly what they look like...center console fishing boats. I'll
take a couple of photos of the bow for you and maybe you can tell me what
you have in mind, okay? :}

IMO, that's the problem with some of these boats .... no distinguishing
lines. From a distance they pretty much look the same. Instead of
designing in some uniqueness, some manufacturers are content with putting
their name or logo in big letters on the side. (Parker, Robolo, etc.)

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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^^ Yeah,what he said;) ^^

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O


I'm not sure what you mean by giving a "little life" to the lines. The
boats are exactly what they look like...center console fishing boats. I'll
take a couple of photos of the bow for you and maybe you can tell me what
you have in mind, okay? :}

IMO, that's the problem with some of these boats .... no distinguishing
lines. From a distance they pretty much look the same. Instead of
designing in some uniqueness, some manufacturers are content with putting
their name or logo in big letters on the side. (Parker, Robolo, etc.)

Eisboch




Ahh, is that it? Well, I can tell a Parker with or without its
decals...they look pretty distinguished to me. I believe the 2100CC I
have has virtually the same hull it had 15 years ago. The "insides" are
a little different. Why change what works?

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"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Sep 11, 9:24 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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wrote:
I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O
I'm not sure what you mean by giving a "little life" to the lines. The
boats are exactly what they look like...center console fishing boats.
I'll
take a couple of photos of the bow for you and maybe you can tell me
what
you have in mind, okay? :}
IMO, that's the problem with some of these boats .... no distinguishing
lines. From a distance they pretty much look the same. Instead of
designing in some uniqueness, some manufacturers are content with
putting
their name or logo in big letters on the side. (Parker, Robolo, etc.)

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

^^ Yeah,what he said;) ^^



If you were more familiar with the boats, at least the Parkers, you would
pick up on lines and uniqueness.

A Parker is a fine boat, but rather nondescript IMO (particularly the
smaller CCs). If I were king of Parker, I'd modify something to give it a
distinguishing look and drop the big side decal. Just me.

Eisboch

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On Sep 11, 9:36 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O

I'm not sure what you mean by giving a "little life" to the lines. The
boats are exactly what they look like...center console fishing boats. I'll
take a couple of photos of the bow for you and maybe you can tell me what
you have in mind, okay? :}

IMO, that's the problem with some of these boats .... no distinguishing
lines. From a distance they pretty much look the same. Instead of
designing in some uniqueness, some manufacturers are content with putting
their name or logo in big letters on the side. (Parker, Robolo, etc.)

Eisboch

Ahh, is that it? Well, I can tell a Parker with or without its
decals...they look pretty distinguished to me. I believe the 2100CC I
have has virtually the same hull it had 15 years ago. The "insides" are
a little different. Why change what works?- Hide quoted text -

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Well the oblivious answer it or course, "because he can" !! What would
be the problem with smoothing the lines a little? You don't have to
change the interior fit, or even the wet area of the hull, but a
little "smile" in some of the lines would bring it into the 21st
century;)
You know I don't mind square boats, my first was a Phil Bolger scow,
talk about square. Anyway, his boats were designed within the
constraints of the materials to be used, as was the case with most
boats over the last hundred years or so. But now with molded and
injected boats, designers can ealily "tweak" without adding much if
anything to the manufacturing, and plenty to the look of the boat. So,
the answer to your question as to why change what works, like the dog
licking... well, you know...

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Sep 11, 9:24 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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wrote:
I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O
I'm not sure what you mean by giving a "little life" to the lines. The
boats are exactly what they look like...center console fishing boats.
I'll
take a couple of photos of the bow for you and maybe you can tell me
what
you have in mind, okay? :}
IMO, that's the problem with some of these boats .... no distinguishing
lines. From a distance they pretty much look the same. Instead of
designing in some uniqueness, some manufacturers are content with
putting
their name or logo in big letters on the side. (Parker, Robolo, etc.)

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
^^ Yeah,what he said;) ^^


If you were more familiar with the boats, at least the Parkers, you would
pick up on lines and uniqueness.

A Parker is a fine boat, but rather nondescript IMO (particularly the
smaller CCs). If I were king of Parker, I'd modify something to give it a
distinguishing look and drop the big side decal. Just me.

Eisboch




All the CCs look virtually the same, but for size and scale. If you saw
mine next to the 23 footer, other than the length, you would be hard
pressed to see any differences. The 25 footers look the same but are
more massive.

I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.

There's very little flash on Parkers, but you can see where the money
went if you know where to look and what to look for. As an example, the
folding footrest on the front of my livewell is absolutely massive, so
massive it is obvious it simply will not break. The hull is three piece,
not two piece. All the hardware is oversized top of the line stainless,
and on and on and on.

I'm not saying Parkers are the best boats around, but for what they are,
they are damned hard to surpass unless you spend a hell of a lot more
money.

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"HK" wrote in message
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There's very little flash on Parkers, but you can see where the money went
if you know where to look and what to look for. As an example, the folding
footrest on the front of my livewell is absolutely massive, so massive it
is obvious it simply will not break. The hull is three piece, not two
piece. All the hardware is oversized top of the line stainless, and on and
on and on.

I'm not saying Parkers are the best boats around, but for what they are,
they are damned hard to surpass unless you spend a hell of a lot more
money.


No argument from me .... they are well built, solid boats. They just need a
little facelift to give them a more distinguishing profile, IMO.

Eisboch

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"HK" wrote in message
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I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.


I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.

Eisboch

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On Sep 11, 10:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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There's very little flash on Parkers, but you can see where the money went
if you know where to look and what to look for. As an example, the folding
footrest on the front of my livewell is absolutely massive, so massive it
is obvious it simply will not break. The hull is three piece, not two
piece. All the hardware is oversized top of the line stainless, and on and
on and on.

I'm not saying Parkers are the best boats around, but for what they are,
they are damned hard to surpass unless you spend a hell of a lot more
money.

No argument from me .... they are well built, solid boats. They just need a
little facelift to give them a more distinguishing profile, IMO.

Eisboch

Maybe there is a market for retrofits;)

http://www.retro-designs.com/rr/rd_grill.jpg

Remember these?

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wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 11, 10:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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There's very little flash on Parkers, but you can see where the money
went
if you know where to look and what to look for. As an example, the
folding
footrest on the front of my livewell is absolutely massive, so massive
it
is obvious it simply will not break. The hull is three piece, not two
piece. All the hardware is oversized top of the line stainless, and on
and
on and on.

I'm not saying Parkers are the best boats around, but for what they
are,
they are damned hard to surpass unless you spend a hell of a lot more
money.

No argument from me .... they are well built, solid boats. They just
need a
little facelift to give them a more distinguishing profile, IMO.

Eisboch

Maybe there is a market for retrofits;)

http://www.retro-designs.com/rr/rd_grill.jpg

Remember these?


Despite the fleeting urge, I don't feel like playing with PhotoShop this
morning.

Eisboch

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wrote:
On Sep 11, 10:22 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...



There's very little flash on Parkers, but you can see where the money went
if you know where to look and what to look for. As an example, the folding
footrest on the front of my livewell is absolutely massive, so massive it
is obvious it simply will not break. The hull is three piece, not two
piece. All the hardware is oversized top of the line stainless, and on and
on and on.
I'm not saying Parkers are the best boats around, but for what they are,
they are damned hard to surpass unless you spend a hell of a lot more
money.
No argument from me .... they are well built, solid boats. They just need a
little facelift to give them a more distinguishing profile, IMO.

Eisboch

Maybe there is a market for retrofits;)

http://www.retro-designs.com/rr/rd_grill.jpg

Remember these?



I love it, but it would make for a wet ride.

I prefer this look. And there is a stripe...if you look for it.

http://tinyurl.com/33g68q

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.


I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.

Eisboch




A shark's jaw decal on the bow?

http://tinyurl.com/3ypyxx

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:22:06 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.


I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.

Eisboch




A shark's jaw decal on the bow?

http://tinyurl.com/3ypyxx

Though I couldn't care less about the vanity part that might drive an
individual to want something distinctive/stand-out in the appearance
of his boat, it's an interesting subject.
I always liked Buick portholes, Olds hood stripes, Bimmer and Jag
grillwork, etc, but ended up buying Chevys, because I personally
see them as best "value" for my car purposes. Not suggesting that car
purpose and boat purpose always translate well, but they might for me.
One might consider the Carolna Skiff the Chevy of shallow draft
basic transportation boats, and the Mac 26 as Chevy of shallow draft
quasi-sailboats with some basic weekender accommodations.
One of my kids has a '93 Corsica that is hard to recognize as such,
with the ground effects, spoiler, pin down hood, scoop, various
striping. And that's not even considering the Getrang 5-speed he
put in to replace the auto.
To me it's still a '93 Corsica, which has its own value.
But he does all the work himself, nicely, and has a right to be proud
of it.
Anyway, outside of after-purchase tricking out - I was thinking some
stainless rails on the bow - what could Parker have done to make your
boat stand out from the others, without compromising the boat's
intended purpose? Since I'm not around water, I don't know or fully
understand the hull shape side of it in terms of what compromises
would have to be made to make a 21' V distinctive at - say 200 yards
distance..

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:22:06 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.

I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.

Eisboch



A shark's jaw decal on the bow?

http://tinyurl.com/3ypyxx

Though I couldn't care less about the vanity part that might drive an
individual to want something distinctive/stand-out in the appearance
of his boat, it's an interesting subject.
I always liked Buick portholes, Olds hood stripes, Bimmer and Jag
grillwork, etc, but ended up buying Chevys, because I personally
see them as best "value" for my car purposes. Not suggesting that car
purpose and boat purpose always translate well, but they might for me.
One might consider the Carolna Skiff the Chevy of shallow draft
basic transportation boats, and the Mac 26 as Chevy of shallow draft
quasi-sailboats with some basic weekender accommodations.
One of my kids has a '93 Corsica that is hard to recognize as such,
with the ground effects, spoiler, pin down hood, scoop, various
striping. And that's not even considering the Getrang 5-speed he
put in to replace the auto.
To me it's still a '93 Corsica, which has its own value.
But he does all the work himself, nicely, and has a right to be proud
of it.
Anyway, outside of after-purchase tricking out - I was thinking some
stainless rails on the bow - what could Parker have done to make your
boat stand out from the others, without compromising the boat's
intended purpose? Since I'm not around water, I don't know or fully
understand the hull shape side of it in terms of what compromises
would have to be made to make a 21' V distinctive at - say 200 yards
distance..

--Vic


There are other rails available for the bow...high rails. I don't like
them. I like the low rails.

As a point of fact, the boat's plainness appeals to me. There isn't a
cent wasted on "flash" or "bling." I prefer the heavy duty hardware,
the three piece hull, the weight of the boat, the huge bimini, et
cetera. I'll leave the stripes to the Grand Banks crowd.

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:06:17 -0400, HK wrote:

I'll leave the stripes to the Grand Banks crowd.

Stripes?

http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...AaOGTlo0Zt2LlI

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On Sep 11, 12:22 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.

I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.

Eisboch

A shark's jaw decal on the bow?

http://tinyurl.com/3ypyxx- Hide quoted text -

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See, that's a nice shot. I never suggested changing any part of the
wet side of the hull, just a little curve to the shear, and tail,
that's all..Wouldn't take much, certainly could be done without
changing the fit and function at all. Anyway, don't get me wrong, one
of the things I noticed about those Parkers was how nice they seemed
to be moving in the water and how perfect of a single handed, or two
handed fishing boat it is. The four was real quiet too. They came in
not 100 yards from each other and headed for the same marina, do not
know if they were fishing together or not.

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:36:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:06:17 -0400, HK wrote:

I'll leave the stripes to the Grand Banks crowd.

Stripes?

http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...AaOGTlo0Zt2LlI


Nice. I noted chairs and TV that didn't appear to be secured.
How do you handle that in the rough?

--Vic

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:09:20 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

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Nice. I noted chairs and TV that didn't appear to be secured.
How do you handle that in the rough?

Funny you should mention that. The boat has active stabilizer fins
that are driven by a gyroscope and hydraulic actuators. They do a
really good job of keeping the boat on an even keel in most
conditions. The down side is that they depend on forward motion to do
their job.

The first year we owned the boat we were waiting for a drawbridge
opening at Sanibel Island Causeway when a large express cruiser went
flying by leaving a 3 foot wake. That particular TV bit the dust in a
big way. Fortunately we had the carpeting down in the main cabin so
that nice teak parquet floor survived unscathed.

We have now replaced the television with a flat panel unit which is
perched on top of a satellite TV receiver and DVD player. The DVD
player is attached to the counter top with super duty velcro, and the
sat receiver and flat panel are all attached to each other with the
same velcro. So far so good after 3 years and 10,000 miles.

The chairs are usually on carpet which provides enough friction to
keep them from sliding in all but rough offshore conditions. For that
we have a long piece of 3/8ths shock cord which loops around all 4
chairs and holds everything together.

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wrote:
On Sep 11, 12:22 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.
I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.
Eisboch
A shark's jaw decal on the bow?

http://tinyurl.com/3ypyxx- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

See, that's a nice shot. I never suggested changing any part of the
wet side of the hull, just a little curve to the shear, and tail,
that's all..Wouldn't take much, certainly could be done without
changing the fit and function at all. Anyway, don't get me wrong, one
of the things I noticed about those Parkers was how nice they seemed
to be moving in the water and how perfect of a single handed, or two
handed fishing boat it is. The four was real quiet too. They came in
not 100 yards from each other and headed for the same marina, do not
know if they were fishing together or not.



The boat is big enough in the front. If you drop the shearline, you
decrease the height of the gunnels off the deck. When you do that, you
make it more possible for ugly things to happen in terms of water coming
aboard or people falling off. This is much less of a problem, of course,
on larger boats.

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:40:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:09:20 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

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Nice. I noted chairs and TV that didn't appear to be secured.
How do you handle that in the rough?

Funny you should mention that. The boat has active stabilizer fins
that are driven by a gyroscope and hydraulic actuators. They do a
really good job of keeping the boat on an even keel in most
conditions. The down side is that they depend on forward motion to do
their job.

The first year we owned the boat we were waiting for a drawbridge
opening at Sanibel Island Causeway when a large express cruiser went
flying by leaving a 3 foot wake. That particular TV bit the dust in a
big way. Fortunately we had the carpeting down in the main cabin so
that nice teak parquet floor survived unscathed.

No surprise. I think I once wrote about entering a liquor store
directly after a couple weeks in fairly rough seas. At the counter
I looked up to see floor to ceiling bottles, and for a second had a
real scare *knowing* they would crash down on me.
Hasn't happened since, but I think the "flying object" syndrome always
kicks in when I'm viewing a boat.
The "big wake" issue is the one that concerns me the most as I prepare
to boat. Of course my boat will be smaller than yours. It just seems
from reading about it - I've read examples of sailboaters out of
cockpit and topside getting pitched in the drink - that's it's the
biggest PITA for small-boaters, and unavoidable.

--Vic

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You're a Narcissistic asshole.

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There are other rails available for the bow...high rails. I don't like
them. I like the low rails.

If you actually did any fishing you would understand the reasoning behind
high rails

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The boat is big enough in the front. If you drop the shearline, you
decrease the height of the gunnels off the deck. When you do that, you
make it more possible for ugly things to happen in terms of water coming
aboard or people falling off. This is much less of a problem, of course,
on larger boats.

You don't seem to worry about water coming over the transom- why worry about
it coming over the gunnels?

Two Parkers
 

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:09:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I've read examples of sailboaters out of
cockpit and topside getting pitched in the drink - that's it's the
biggest PITA for small-boaters, and unavoidable.

I actually saw that happen once. Fortunately they got him back
onboard OK. Single handed could have been an entirely different
outcome. In the end it comes to situational awareness, having the
right equipment such as jack lines/harnesses/lifelines, and taking
reasonable precautions.

Small sailboats are a lot of fun but they have a number of risky
aspects other than power boat wakes that you need to be prepared for.

Two Parkers
 

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:57:54 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

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Slow boat or not.........that is a classy looking yacht!

Very nice Wayne.

Thanks, we like it. Slow is relative. It is *much* faster than any
of the sailboats that we've ever owned or sailed on, and a lot more
comfortable.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:06:17 -0400, HK wrote:

I'll leave the stripes to the Grand Banks crowd.

Stripes?

http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...AaOGTlo0Zt2LlI

Damn, I can't figure out which boat I want. Now if the Grand Banks only
had a stripe on it, it would be so easy.

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HappyJohn wrote:
The boat is big enough in the front. If you drop the shearline, you
decrease the height of the gunnels off the deck. When you do that, you
make it more possible for ugly things to happen in terms of water coming
aboard or people falling off. This is much less of a problem, of course,
on larger boats.

You don't seem to worry about water coming over the transom- why worry about
it coming over the gunnels?



The large opening on the transom is designed to allow all the greenies
that come over the front and sides to exit easily.

Two Parkers
 

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:06:11 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:06:17 -0400, HK wrote:

I'll leave the stripes to the Grand Banks crowd.

Stripes?

http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...AaOGTlo0Zt2LlI

Damn, I can't figure out which boat I want. Now if the Grand Banks only
had a stripe on it, it would be so easy.

I couldn't find the stripe either, and the transom looks entirely too
seaworthy.

Two Parkers
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:06:11 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:06:17 -0400, HK wrote:

I'll leave the stripes to the Grand Banks crowd.
Stripes?

http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...AaOGTlo0Zt2LlI
Damn, I can't figure out which boat I want. Now if the Grand Banks only
had a stripe on it, it would be so easy.

I couldn't find the stripe either, and the transom looks entirely too
seaworthy.


Hey, if you like barges, yours is one of the ones to get. Me, I'd rather
stay in a good hotel.

Two Parkers
 

On Sep 11, 2:53 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 11, 12:22 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.
I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.
Eisboch
A shark's jaw decal on the bow?

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See, that's a nice shot. I never suggested changing any part of the
wet side of the hull, just a little curve to the shear, and tail,
that's all..Wouldn't take much, certainly could be done without
changing the fit and function at all. Anyway, don't get me wrong, one
of the things I noticed about those Parkers was how nice they seemed
to be moving in the water and how perfect of a single handed, or two
handed fishing boat it is. The four was real quiet too. They came in
not 100 yards from each other and headed for the same marina, do not
know if they were fishing together or not.

The boat is big enough in the front. If you drop the shearline, you
decrease the height of the gunnels off the deck. When you do that, you
make it more possible for ugly things to happen in terms of water coming
aboard or people falling off. This is much less of a problem, of course,
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I was thinking of a little more freeboard in the shear, not less.
Kind of like the Gradys and such but not so obvious..

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:44:28 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey, if you like barges, yours is one of the ones to get. Me, I'd rather
stay in a good hotel.

Barge:

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/36-Barge.htm

Grand Banks Trawler:

http://www.marlowmarine.com/images/cinsubar%20.jpg

Two Parkers
 

wrote:
On Sep 11, 2:53 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 11, 12:22 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't much like the big horsey side decals, either. On any boat.
I had an 18' Robolo CC for a couple of years. The first modification I did
was to tediously remove the huge "Robolo" decals from the sides.
Unfortunately, a faint ghost image of the name decal remained, despite my
many attempts to buff it out.
Eisboch
A shark's jaw decal on the bow?
http://tinyurl.com/3ypyxx-Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
See, that's a nice shot. I never suggested changing any part of the
wet side of the hull, just a little curve to the shear, and tail,
that's all..Wouldn't take much, certainly could be done without
changing the fit and function at all. Anyway, don't get me wrong, one
of the things I noticed about those Parkers was how nice they seemed
to be moving in the water and how perfect of a single handed, or two
handed fishing boat it is. The four was real quiet too. They came in
not 100 yards from each other and headed for the same marina, do not
know if they were fishing together or not.
The boat is big enough in the front. If you drop the shearline, you
decrease the height of the gunnels off the deck. When you do that, you
make it more possible for ugly things to happen in terms of water coming
aboard or people falling off. This is much less of a problem, of course,
on larger boats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I was thinking of a little more freeboard in the shear, not less.
Kind of like the Gradys and such but not so obvious..



Uh...there's more freeboard on my parker than on the correspondingly
sized Grady CC, even the 22-foot Grady. What the Gradys have is a
transition, or dip, in the gunnels as they move towards the aft end of
the boat, and therefore a more interesting shearline. I believe it is
called a Palm Beach shearline, or something similar.

Up forward, I have more freeboard, and in the stern I also have more
freeboard. I'll have to measure it with a tape, but my Parker dealer
also sells Gradys, and I looked at a couple of them before making my
choice.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:44:28 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey, if you like barges, yours is one of the ones to get. Me, I'd rather
stay in a good hotel.

Barge:

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/36-Barge.htm

Grand Banks Trawler:

http://www.marlowmarine.com/images/cinsubar%20.jpg


I like the looks of the smaller, older GB trawlers, but not the larger
ones. The larger ones look like slabsided barges to me. Sorry.

If I were buying a trawlerRV, I'd want something a bit more "shippy"
looking, at least to my taste, than a big GB.

Two Parkers
 

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:44:28 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey, if you like barges, yours is one of the ones to get. Me, I'd
rather stay in a good hotel.

Barge:

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/36-Barge.htm

Grand Banks Trawler:

http://www.marlowmarine.com/images/cinsubar%20.jpg


I like the looks of the smaller, older GB trawlers, but not the larger
ones. The larger ones look like slabsided barges to me. Sorry.

If I were buying a trawlerRV, I'd want something a bit more "shippy"
looking, at least to my taste, than a big GB.



Oh...and I'd want a steel, not a plastic, hull.

Two Parkers
 

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:23:48 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
I was fishing on the CT River the other night and saw two 21 footers
just like your boat Harry. One with a big 2 stroke, one a 4. Both
coming in at evening, right after another. They did seem to sit heavy
in the water, moving nicely through the light chop before sunset. They
even had low transoms! Still could give a little "life" to the lines
on the boat, someone should tell Parker that it is ok to look nice
too! ;) Just a couple of inches of um, pride in the bow would look
great, and that square ass, oh well, still look like a good tool for
the sound and beyond, even if it does not photograph well :O

I'm not sure what you mean by giving a "little life" to the lines. The
boats are exactly what they look like...center console fishing boats.
I'll take a couple of photos of the bow for you and maybe you can tell
me what you have in mind, okay? :}

I understand what Scot is saying - we've talked about it several times
in fact while out on my boat.

There are classic boats that have classic lines. Bill Davis designs
some to mind immediately with that Carolina bow flare and sharply
developed tumble home in the stern.

It used to be that you would tell a manufacturer just by the lines of
the hull. The early Mako and Aquasports are good examples of that.
Master Marine with the extremely long forefoot - early '70s Boston
Whaler Outrage which I still say is one of the best designs from
appearance standpoint that has ever come off an architects drawing
board. The early wood Grady Whites were boats with a long tumble home
that worked from the sheer to the stern and you could spot one from a
mile away.

Today, you could strip the ID off of any boat of your boats length,
paint them all the same color and put them side by each and you would
be hard pressed to differentiate one from the other - they all look
the same.

One of the worst designs, in my opinion, is the Grady White - it looks
like a kid drew a boat with crayon - basically a box on a nondescript
hull. Same with Parker pilot house models. No comparison to similar
length boats from Steiger or early Topaz models. Consider the classic
looks of a Uniflite Salty Dog as another example - you don't see boats
like that anymore.

Two Parkers
 

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:05:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:44:28 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey, if you like barges, yours is one of the ones to get. Me, I'd rather
stay in a good hotel.

Barge:

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/36-Barge.htm

Grand Banks Trawler:

http://www.marlowmarine.com/images/cinsubar%20.jpg

ROTFL!!!!

Two Parkers
 

Tom Francis wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:05:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:44:28 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey, if you like barges, yours is one of the ones to get. Me, I'd rather
stay in a good hotel.
Barge:

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/36-Barge.htm

Grand Banks Trawler:

http://www.marlowmarine.com/images/cinsubar%20.jpg

ROTFL!!!!


YEah...one is a slabsided steel box and the other is a slabsided plastic
box.

I prefer the Diesel Ducks.