I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:
I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable.

A friend who ran a livery a few years ago used a very thick and long
Kryptonite cable that threaded through the scupper holes of a bunch of SOTs.
This seemed to work OK --never had one stolen. The cable is plastic covered
so no additional insulation was needed. There are Kryptonite cables and
locks available in varying lengths for bicycles. Perhaps such a store would
be a good source of something you can use.

Joe P.

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well.

On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:



On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well.

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well.

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

John Kuthe...

But how do you connect a cable to a kayak in a solid way?

bjorri.

On Sep 12, 5:18 pm, bjorri wrote:
John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well.

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

John Kuthe...

But how do you connect a cable to a kayak in a solid way?


I'm trying to figure it out. U-locks are considered the only safe way
for bikes.

On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:





On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well.

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)


Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

This very upscale shopping center is next to "the jungle" and lacks
any security or cameras for the bikes, and the predators only take
advantage of it, you know.

On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:



On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well.

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?

I had a bike stolen once locked to a signpost with a Kryptonite lock.
Locked the bike through the rear wheel and frame, and the signpost,
the latter of which was pulled out of the ground! Which meant they
stole the bike with a Kryptonite lock around it's rear wheel and
frame. Funny part was, it was the biggest piece of **** bile I had
ever ridden! The gears would not shift, the chain slipped on the
chainring, the brakes didn't work, etc. I had borrowed it from a
housemate of mine to ride shuttle on a 2 person one car kayaking
trip.

So when this particular "rat" cut the Kryptonite lock off the bike, he
(she?) discovered they stole the biggest piece of **** bike ever! HA!

I paid my housemate $50 for her bike anyway. My fault it was stolen.

John Kuthe...